Eleven Posted December 9, 2005 Report Posted December 9, 2005 as per Lindy Ruff's postgame conference
DrunkenSabre Posted December 9, 2005 Report Posted December 9, 2005 hard luck for him, but im with Ruff. if its not an absolute MUST, i'd prefer him to get AHL time 1st, just to see where his at. Biron is ok in net atm, i'd be sitting safer with Miller having played tonight, then maybe NHL on sun vs Minnesota.
GGM Posted December 9, 2005 Report Posted December 9, 2005 I would think Miller'd be happy to be starting in the ROC. No pressure to outshine Marty's solid-but-somewhat-schizo play in his first start. If he poops'em, it doesn't cost the Sabres. If he plays well, it'll be a good springboard to his first start with Buffalo. I'd be happy, anyway.
DrunkenSabre Posted December 9, 2005 Report Posted December 9, 2005 I would think Miller'd be happy to be starting in the ROC. No pressure to outshine Marty's solid-but-somewhat-schizo play in his first start. If he poops'em, it doesn't cost the Sabres. If he plays well, it'll be a good springboard to his first start with Buffalo. I'd be happy, anyway. i think his scared of getting stuck down there.
GGM Posted December 9, 2005 Report Posted December 9, 2005 I suppose it's possible that he feels that way, but that'd be awful paranoid. I can't think of any way that would happen unless he REALLY sucked for several games in a row...and even then, I think they'd be more likely to put him back on IR than keep him in the ROC for an extended period of time.
Saber61 Posted December 9, 2005 Report Posted December 9, 2005 i think his scared of getting stuck down there. perhaps yes... but this will be good for him... i think he feels he tried so hard and played so hard to get his starting spot and now is being sent down...
Eleven Posted December 9, 2005 Author Report Posted December 9, 2005 perhaps yes... but this will be good for him... i think he feels he tried so hard and played so hard to get his starting spot and now is being sent down... If he's looking at this the right way--and hopefully he is--he sees it for what it is: a rehab assignment, not a judgment of his ability.
JujuFish Posted December 9, 2005 Report Posted December 9, 2005 I don't think he would have a problem with this at all. All he has to do is take a quick glance at his stats and he'll see he's got his job once he's recovered. Also, this happens in baseball all the time. I would really be surprised if he truly thought he was going to be stuck down there.
hopeleslyobvious Posted December 10, 2005 Report Posted December 10, 2005 Can they even leave him down there? Since sending someone down for reconditioning is a way around waivers, I would imagine it's pretty strictly enforced. Does anyone know the rule on this?
deluca67 Posted December 10, 2005 Report Posted December 10, 2005 Can they even leave him down there? Since sending someone down for reconditioning is a way around waivers, I would imagine it's pretty strictly enforced. Does anyone know the rule on this? They can send Miller down for any reason. He does not have to clear waivers or give permisson like Marty or Mikka do. It's why Mikka stayed up with the team all year. Mika and Marty both refused conditioning assigments.
hopeleslyobvious Posted December 10, 2005 Report Posted December 10, 2005 Oh yeah, he's on a 2 way contract right? I forgot about that.
deluca67 Posted December 10, 2005 Report Posted December 10, 2005 Oh yeah, he's on a 2 way contract right? I forgot about that. The 2 way contract only relates to the rate of pay. If he had a straight NHL contract he could still go to the ROC but he would be paid the NHL rate. It's a big reason why Connolly and Pyatt never went down.
inkman Posted December 10, 2005 Report Posted December 10, 2005 I guess I'll bring up the fact that Ryan gave up 4 or 5 goals last night. Does this bother anyone? I would have to know more about the game but none the less I would start Marty tomorrow.
LabattBlue Posted December 10, 2005 Report Posted December 10, 2005 I guess I'll bring up the fact that Ryan gave up 4 or 5 goals last night. Does this bother anyone? I would have to know more about the game but none the less I would start Marty tomorrow. Summary of the game from the Rochester D&C... As a result, Miller often had no chance to make a save, at least on the power plays. He wasn't pleased with the way he reacted to Law's breakaway, while the fifth goal came after he had been pulled in favor of a sixth attacker. "I felt OK, I felt like I was playing something close to my game," said Miller, who is recovering from a broken right thumb suffered in practice with the Buffalo Sabres on Nov. 2. http://www.democratandchronicle.com/apps/p...330/1007/SPORTS
Eleven Posted December 10, 2005 Author Report Posted December 10, 2005 I guess I'll bring up the fact that Ryan gave up 4 or 5 goals last night. Does this bother anyone? I would have to know more about the game but none the less I would start Marty tomorrow. I'm not bothered by it (and I didn't see the game); it's game no. 1 in a rehab assignment that should include a game no. 2 and possibly 3. I also would start Biron tomorrow.
hopeleslyobvious Posted December 10, 2005 Report Posted December 10, 2005 It's a rehab assignment. Give him some more time. I would stick with Biron tomorrow, but as soon as Miller works the rust off...Give him the start.
hopeleslyobvious Posted December 10, 2005 Report Posted December 10, 2005 I guess I'll bring up the fact that Ryan gave up 4 or 5 goals last night. Does this bother anyone? I would have to know more about the game but none the less I would start Marty tomorrow. This is just what I was worried about...Him having a rough couple games and people doubting him already. He hasn't played in over a month. It was excusable for Biron to be rusty in his first few starts right? Shouldn't that logic work both ways?
inkman Posted December 10, 2005 Report Posted December 10, 2005 Just for future reference i usually throw comments like that out there whether or not they represent my point of view. I tend to be a lot less opinionated than I come across on this message board. :D
hopeleslyobvious Posted December 10, 2005 Report Posted December 10, 2005 Haha, sorry, I just had a feeling that was coming so I got a bit defensive. Since it was just one game.
Peter Posted December 10, 2005 Report Posted December 10, 2005 This is just what I was worried about...Him having a rough couple games and people doubting him already. He hasn't played in over a month. It was excusable for Biron to be rusty in his first few starts right? Shouldn't that logic work both ways? You are right. It should work both ways. Yet, too many people on this board and elsewhere did not see the logic of this when it applied to Marty.
hopeleslyobvious Posted December 10, 2005 Report Posted December 10, 2005 Maybe I am being unfair to Biron, but I don't think he can keep up this level of play. He has been a very streaky goaltender in the past. My personal opinion of him is that he is very talented, but he is probably his own worst enemy, which causes him to come up short in clutch situations. Based on what I have seen so far of Miller, he seems to make his best saves in clutch situations (just watch the Tampa game). On a somewhat unrelated topic, I had to listen to the Washington game on the car. I finally got a chance to see his save on his brother. I was impressed.
Taro T Posted December 11, 2005 Report Posted December 11, 2005 I would probably give Marty the next 3 starts and then give Ryan the Pens game in HSBC if he is playing strong in Rachacha. After that point, Lindy will get an opportunity to show me he has learned how to handle goalies. I hope he is up to it, but am not expecting much. Based on how they have played so far this year, I'd probably work a rotation between the 2 with Ryan getting about 3 starts to Marty's 2. I will be happy if Lindy works some form of rotation, as going with Marty or Ryan essentially for a month straight will not serve the team well IMHO. My gut feel is that Lindy will probably run Marty w/ Ryan only getting work in back to back games until Marty loses 2 or 3 in a row. At that point, the Sabres will go w/ Ryan primarily w/ Marty only getting a rare start until Ryan loses 2 or 3 in a row. When Marty finally gets back in, his head will not be where it is now, and I would not be surprised to see him struggle at that point. After the end of December, the team has no back to back games until the weekend before the Olympic break. Starting in March, there will be 5 back-to-backs. The team will need 2 sharp goalies after the break, hopefully they have them at that time. I'd expect Mika to be the traded goalie, especially if a trade doesn't happen this month, but I still think Mika has more upside potential than Marty does. If Marty is the goalie to be traded, I'd expect the trade to happen shortly after Ryan is back in the lineup as Marty's value has to be as high as it will ever be (barring him having a long successful playoff run for the Sabres).
hopeleslyobvious Posted December 11, 2005 Report Posted December 11, 2005 I don't like the idea of rotating goaltenders that much. While I am clearly a Miller supporter, and not a Biron supporter, I think it would be best for the team as a whole to have 1 in a definate role as a starter, and the other backing him up, going about 3 or 4 starts to 1. But that's my opinion and reasonable minds can differ (even if I'm unreasonable at times). With that being said, I agree that it would be terrible for the team to go with the hot hand until he gets cold (either way), and then put them in competition with each other. Right now Miller is rusty from sitting out a month. Hopefully he will work off the rust down in Rochester. I agree the 2nd Pittsburgh game should be his first game back. But for example, if Lindy decides that Biron is hot, and let's play him until he cools off, then if and when he does cool off, Miller is going to be rusty from lack of action. And it's going to take him some time to get going again. Of course it's pretty obvious that I am a Miller fan and not a Biron fan...but nothing would make me happier than Biron making me look like an idiot and finally playing consistently at the level he is expected to.
Taro T Posted December 11, 2005 Report Posted December 11, 2005 If Lindy did not have a history of riding a goalie way too long and/or one of the 2 were clearly better than the other, I would agree with you about not rotating the goalies. But Lindy has not handled the goalies well in the past and although Ryan outplayed Marty in the preseason, Marty's play in the last 2-3 weeks has been slightly better than Ryan's was (IMHO). I don't think either has clearly won the title of "starter". Until one does, I'd like to see roughly a 3-2 rotation which could be adjusted based on play. I would not adjust more than 4-1.
hopeleslyobvious Posted December 12, 2005 Report Posted December 12, 2005 Miller stopped 20 of 21 tonight for the win.
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