GDT-LAST GAME OF THE SEASON, Philadelphia Flyers @ Buffalo Sabres 7pm 4/17, ESPN+ MSG

[Ogelthorpe]

7 hours ago, spndnchz said:

Not needed 

Not needed

Yes mam. My bad

[North Buffalo]

https://www.facebook.com/share/v/19bQNEqbu2/?mibextid=wwXIfr   

Charlie Coyle has been to the playoffs 1 year less than Sabres havent... 2nd longest player playoff streak in the NHL... both impressive and depressing... so who has the longest streak? any guesses.

[DarthEbriate]

31 minutes ago, North Buffalo said:

https://www.facebook.com/share/v/19bQNEqbu2/?mibextid=wwXIfr   

Charlie Coyle has been to the playoffs 1 year less than Sabres havent... 2nd longest player playoff streak in the NHL... both impressive and depressing... so who has the longest streak? any guesses.

Depressing had me think McNabb, but VGK missed in the Eichel trade season and we all chortled.

[DarthEbriate]

2 minutes ago, DarthEbriate said:

Depressing had me think McNabb, but VGK missed in the Eichel trade season and we all chortled.

But now I think about it more, I know Toronto's been the playoffs every season since whenever -- which is funny because they've made so many first round exits. So Matthews? But more depressing for Sabres fans by name would be Nylander.

[7+6=13]

7 hours ago, Pimlach said:

Never said I wished they stayed with Boterill so please stop making things up.  

The youth movement was not a need.   It happened because Pegula wanted to cut costs across the entire organization, they blew up the roster and started over, right after giving Boterill a public vote of confidence.   They had Eichel, Reinhart, Ullmark, Montour, McCabe, etc.  

I do not pretend to know this.  It’s is what really happened, it’s factual, and it’s common knowledge.  The difference between us is your poor ability to comprehend.  

You always have to resort to name calling.  I didn't say you said that about Boterill, didn't you see the question mark?  It looks like this (?).  It wasn't a statement, that would have ended with a period.  

You're so stuck on repeating your baseless hatred for Pegula, you can't engage in discussion.  I won't comment on anything you post again.  You're boring and I'm sick of your insults.

[LGR4GM]

17 minutes ago, 7+6=13 said:

You always have to resort to name calling.  I didn't say you said that about Boterill, didn't you see the question mark?  It looks like this (?).  It wasn't a statement, that would have ended with a period.  

You're so stuck on repeating your baseless hatred for Pegula, you can't engage in discussion.  I won't comment on anything you post again.  You're boring and I'm sick of your insults.

Pegula has owned the team for 14yrs, they've missed the playoffs for 14yrs. There's no baseless hatred, the man's incompetent at running a hockey team. 

Edited April 18 by LGR4GM

[7+6=13]

48 minutes ago, LGR4GM said:

Pegula has owned the team for 14yrs, they've missed the playoffs for 14yrs. There's no baseless hatred, the man's incompetent at running a hockey team. 

I think there's a difference betwen understanding things haven't worked and why they haven't.  The why they haven't, IMO is a discussion because we don't have all the information to know.

 

 

10 hours ago, LGR4GM said:

Yea, I'm ready to move away if I can get a better upgrade. Glad he got points at the end because I think his value bumped up. 

I really hate to see you post this. You were very bullish on him and I started to see what you saw in Quinn. 

Your ability to scout young talent is much respected and if you're feeling this way ..... dang that's usually not good.

[Thorny]

25 minutes ago, LGR4GM said:

Pegula has owned the team for 14yrs, they've missed the playoffs for 14yrs. There's no baseless hatred, the man's incompetent at running a hockey team. 

Results don’t matter 

Trying their best matters 

[LGR4GM]

21 minutes ago, 7+6=13 said:

I really hate to see you post this. You were very bullish on him and I started to see what you saw in Quinn. 

Your ability to scout young talent is much respected and if you're feeling this way ..... dang that's usually not good.

Quinn refusing to engage physically bothers me a lot. It's why I'll never be bullish on power. He's also a logical piece to upgrade. 

[JohnC]

25 minutes ago, 7+6=13 said:

I think there's a difference betwen understanding things haven't worked and why they haven't.  The why they haven't, IMO is a discussion because we don't have all the information to know.

 

It doesn’t take much imagination or hockey wisdom to conclude why this franchise has struggled for the past half decade, the period of time that the owner’s hand picked GM has presided over the hockey operation.

The owner gambled selecting someone to be his GM who was I’ll-equipped to assume the most important job in a hockey franchise. I’m supremely confident in saying that no other owner would have even considered him for the job. 
 

To make matters even worse, there is no owner in the league, good or bad, who would retain a GM with his accumulated five year record.

At least for me, it’s not too difficult to figure out why and who is most responsible for the ridiculous situation this franchise is in. A lot of fingers are understandably polnted at the current feckless GM. My finger is pointed at the silent owner.

 

 

 

[7+6=13]

6 minutes ago, LGR4GM said:

Quinn refusing to engage physically bothers me a lot. It's why I'll never be bullish on power. He's also a logical piece to upgrade. 

Did you ever see him as being a player to engage physically?  I had the feeling he was a Reinhart type of player.  Not seeking physical engagement but maybe made up for it with tenacity and being willing to get in front of the net, things like that.

 

I wonder if his offensive disappointed, which he must have felt that pressure, led to him going down a bad path.  You don't see much optimism he can rebound?

[LGR4GM]

2 minutes ago, 7+6=13 said:

Did you ever see him as being a player to engage physically?  I had the feeling he was a Reinhart type of player.  Not seeking physical engagement but maybe made up for it with tenacity and being willing to get in front of the net, things like that.

 

I wonder if his offensive disappointed, which he must have felt that pressure, led to him going down a bad path.  You don't see much optimism he can rebound?

Quinn was able to cut through the hands of defenders and win puck battles. He could be knocked off pucks but it didn't knock him out of the play. He was able to play in traffic. That's mostly gone now. Quinns toolbox has excellent shooting, passing, and pretty good offensive zone play but in tight checking games, he's useless. If I can move on from him and get someone with a bit more checking and physical play, I would. We need better 2way forwards and Quinns a defensive black hole. 

Reinhart was a player Sabres fans wanted to be Tkachuk and that's unfortunate because he brought a ton of value in the way Tuch does without hitting everything that moves. 

[7+6=13]

8 minutes ago, JohnC said:

It doesn’t take much imagination or hockey wisdom to conclude why this franchise has struggled for the past half decade, the period of time that the owner’s hand picked GM has presided over the hockey operation.

The owner gambled selecting someone to be his GM who was I’ll-equipped to assume the most important job in a hockey franchise. I’m supremely confident in saying that no other owner would have even considered him for the job. 
 

To make matters even worse, there is no owner in the league, good or bad, who would retain a GM with his accumulated five year record.

At least for me, it’s not too difficult to figure out why and who is most responsible for the ridiculous situation this franchise is in. A lot of fingers are understandably polnted at the current feckless GM. My finger is pointed at the silent owner.

 

I get it, it's the owners fault.  It's always their fault as the highest rank.  The why is what's interesting to me and it's subjective.  

You say Terry is silent, others say he's meddling.  Neither mean anything, at least to me.  You couldn't know he's silent and neither could anyone that thinks he's meddling.  

"A lot of fingers are understandably polnted at the current feckless GM. My finger is pointed at the silent owner.". This actually means absolutely nothing.  What imagination and hockey wisdom is involved here?

 

[Pimlach]

1 hour ago, 7+6=13 said:

You always have to resort to name calling.  I didn't say you said that about Boterill, didn't you see the question mark?  It looks like this (?).  It wasn't a statement, that would have ended with a period.  

You're so stuck on repeating your baseless hatred for Pegula, you can't engage in discussion.  I won't comment on anything you post again.  You're boring and I'm sick of your insults.

You start things and then cluelessly wonder why.  Look back at your posts.  You sarcastically said the difference between us is that I pretend to know things.  I am not pretending to know what happened, everyone I said about the team happened.   I don't hate Pegula either.  

I don’t like communicating with you.  I ignore you as much as possible.   I should have continued to ignore you.  Let’s agree to continue that practice. 
 

[7+6=13]

6 minutes ago, Pimlach said:

You start things and then cluelessly wonder why.  Look back at your posts.  You sarcastically said the difference between us is that I pretend to know things.  I am not pretending to know what happened, everyone I said about the team happened.   I don't hate Pegula either.  

I don’t like communicating with you.  I ignore you as much as possible.   I should have continued to ignore you.  Let’s agree to continue that practice. 
 

I agree we don't like each other and I'm done with you insulting me.  As in, don't do it again.  I agree, let's avoid each other going forward.

[7+6=13]

54 minutes ago, LGR4GM said:

Quinn was able to cut through the hands of defenders and win puck battles. He could be knocked off pucks but it didn't knock him out of the play. He was able to play in traffic. That's mostly gone now. Quinns toolbox has excellent shooting, passing, and pretty good offensive zone play but in tight checking games, he's useless. If I can move on from him and get someone with a bit more checking and physical play, I would. We need better 2way forwards and Quinns a defensive black hole. 

Reinhart was a player Sabres fans wanted to be Tkachuk and that's unfortunate because he brought a ton of value in the way Tuch does without hitting everything that moves. 

I loved Sam as much as you did (well almost).  Because he wasn't a highlight real, ultra skilled star, he was grossly underrated.  He's a star now for sure by just doing what he does.  I thought Quinn had a chance to be that type of player.  I'm not good enough to see all the defensive issues with forwards, but it's painful hearing you say he's so bad, we can move him. 

I'm sure he'll get better but I suppose we can't have another player like him.  

[JohnC]

48 minutes ago, 7+6=13 said:

I get it, it's the owners fault.  It's always their fault as the highest rank.  The why is what's interesting to me and it's subjective.  

You say Terry is silent, others say he's meddling.  Neither mean anything, at least to me.  You couldn't know he's silent and neither could anyone that thinks he's meddling.  

"A lot of fingers are understandably polnted at the current feckless GM. My finger is pointed at the silent owner.". This actually means absolutely nothing.  What imagination and hockey wisdom is involved here?

 

Whether the owner meddles or not is his prerogative as an owner. He can do what he wants and hires whomever he wants. The person he hired was unqualified to start off with and has demonstrated his ineptness. Who hired him? Who has kept him on? That's the point. 

Edited April 18 by JohnC

[LGR4GM]

31 minutes ago, 7+6=13 said:

I loved Sam as much as you did (well almost).  Because he wasn't a highlight real, ultra skilled star, he was grossly underrated.  He's a star now for sure by just doing what he does.  I thought Quinn had a chance to be that type of player.  I'm not good enough to see all the defensive issues with forwards, but it's painful hearing you say he's so bad, we can move him. 

I'm sure he'll get better but I suppose we can't have another player like him.  

There's 2 things going on. First is Adams backed this team into a corner. Every forward is either signed or an RFA. Someone has to be moved then to change it up. Second is that how long do we wait for Quinn? I've suggested 15 games because part of me still believes in the skillset but if the right deal hits this summer, move on. Buffalo isn't a rest and recovery team. 

[JohnC]

4 minutes ago, LGR4GM said:

There's 2 things going on. First is Adams backed this team into a corner. Every forward is either signed or an RFA. Someone has to be moved then to change it up. Second is that how long do we wait for Quinn? I've suggested 15 games because part of me still believes in the skillset but if the right deal hits this summer, move on. Buffalo isn't a rest and recovery team. 

I'm not going into the discussion about Quinn or any other particular player related to should he stay or not. What the Cozens trade demonstrates is sometimes a deal is more about changing the dynamic within the roster than it is about did we get back more than what we gave up. In return for Cozens, we got back Norris and Bernard-Docker. Norris was injured so he didn't play much. The hope is next year he will be able to be our 2C, if not higher. What also happened was that Bernard-Docker was added and Joki was dealt. It wasn't a major change, but it did change the makeup of the blueline unit somewhat. And what the Cozens trade also did is give Krebs more ice time and a greater role. With the current roster there has been a stagnation that has existed too long. The lineup needs to be jolted with fresh faces and different attributes from the new players. I'm not arguing that this offseason there needs to be a dramatic change to the roster. But what I am arguing for is that has to be some changes that alter the mix and changes the internal dynamics of this stale roster. 

[LTS]

10 hours ago, Stoner said:

But on ice excellence is the first thing listed. And Dahlin started a foundation.

But Tuch already had a foundation (https://www.at9foundation.org/)... which is better?  I really don't know.  Also, I don't care.  It's a team award and frankly both of them mean a lot to Buffalo and the Sabres.

Only one of them set a record for stepping in front of pucks.

[Pimlach]

On 4/18/2025 at 8:04 PM, LTS said:

But Tuch already had a foundation (https://www.at9foundation.org/)... which is better?  I really don't know.  Also, I don't care.  It's a team award and frankly both of them mean a lot to Buffalo and the Sabres.

Only one of them set a record for stepping in front of pucks.

Tuch has a Buffalo vibe.  Fans vote, and they decide.