If we trade Byram or Power, who for?

[Archie Lee]

Trading Byram or Power is seeming like a real possibility. I think it is now most likely that Byram is traded.  Less likely, I think, is that Power is traded or that both are back. 

This week on an episode of the Athletic Hockey Show, their prospect crew were discussing which teams among the league's bottom dwellers are most likely to win a Stanley Cup in the next decade. The criteria to be considered was being a bottom 10 team last season, so the Sabres were excluded as an option. The Sabres did come up though, mostly as a cautionary tale of how you can't solely rely on your prospects to get you there. Each of the 4 commentators listed their top 3 teams from last year's bottom 10. The two teams that did not make any list were Seattle and Calgary.  For Calgary, they thought that the Flames are just pushing back the inevitable and that they will eventually need to start trading some of their vets and get earnest about a rebuild.  With Seattle, their view was that the Kraken have focused on the centre position at the top of the draft (Beniers, Wright, Catton) and are missing the long-term #1 D.  

Their views on Calgary and Seattle made me think of a few players:  MacKenzie Weegar, Rasmus Andersson, Beniers, and Shane Wright. Would Beniers for Power be crazy (give or take pieces to balance the trade one way or the other)? Or what about Shane Wright.  Neither are veterans though. So we aren't getting more experienced. Would Byram get us Andersson? Is that even a good trade?  What would Calgary need to consider moving Weegar? 

Anyway, there is a lot of discussion about revamping our D.  What would be an acceptable return for Byram or Power?

 

[dudacek]

38 minutes ago, Archie Lee said:

Trading Byram or Power is seeming like a real possibility. I think it is now most likely that Byram is traded.  Less likely, I think, is that Power is traded or that both are back. 

This week on an episode of the Athletic Hockey Show, their prospect crew were discussing which teams among the league's bottom dwellers are most likely to win a Stanley Cup in the next decade. The criteria to be considered was being a bottom 10 team last season, so the Sabres were excluded as an option. The Sabres did come up though, mostly as a cautionary tale of how you can't solely rely on your prospects to get you there. Each of the 4 commentators listed their top 3 teams from last year's bottom 10. The two teams that did not make any list were Seattle and Calgary.  For Calgary, they thought that the Flames are just pushing back the inevitable and that they will eventually need to start trading some of their vets and get earnest about a rebuild.  With Seattle, their view was that the Kraken have focused on the centre position at the top of the draft (Beniers, Wright, Catton) and are missing the long-term #1 D.  

Their views on Calgary and Seattle made me think of a few players:  MacKenzie Weegar, Rasmus Andersson, Beniers, and Shane Wright. Would Beniers for Power be crazy (give or take pieces to balance the trade one way or the other)? Or what about Shane Wright.  Neither are veterans though. So we aren't getting more experienced. Would Byram get us Andersson? Is that even a good trade?  What would Calgary need to consider moving Weegar? 

Anyway, there is a lot of discussion about revamping our D.  What would be an acceptable return for Byram or Power?

 

I wouldn't trade Power for Beniers (who I like) or Wright (who I do not), but that is his ball park value.

The model for a Power trade would be the old Seth Jones for Ryan Johanssen deal.

Personally, I haven't given up on Power yet. I'd see what the market is, but it would take a strong offer to pull the trigger.

***

Byram's value is at least as good as it was a year ago, where he garnered a 50- to 60ish-point 2C.

His 5-on-5 numbers and the minutes he's played while staying healthy have answered the two biggest questions about him from a year ago. The same GMs who loved his skillset previously will not have changed their minds and he's still early enough in his Sabre career that "Buffalo stink" can work to the Sabres advantage.

I think a Weegar or Andersson type piece is definitely close enough in the way Norris was for Cozens as main pieces. (Andersson has had a worse season and is a year from UFA, Weegar is 8 years older)

I like Byram in the way I liked Brandon Montour and see similar utility in him, but I think his time in Buffalo officially ended when his buddy Cozens got traded. In order to add what we have to add, he's probably the most logical trade chip.

Edited Sunday at 05:16 PM by dudacek

[Freeezo]

46 minutes ago, Archie Lee said:

Trading Byram or Power is seeming like a real possibility. I think it is now most likely that Byram is traded.  Less likely, I think, is that Power is traded or that both are back. 

This week on an episode of the Athletic Hockey Show, their prospect crew were discussing which teams among the league's bottom dwellers are most likely to win a Stanley Cup in the next decade. The criteria to be considered was being a bottom 10 team last season, so the Sabres were excluded as an option. The Sabres did come up though, mostly as a cautionary tale of how you can't solely rely on your prospects to get you there. Each of the 4 commentators listed their top 3 teams from last year's bottom 10. The two teams that did not make any list were Seattle and Calgary.  For Calgary, they thought that the Flames are just pushing back the inevitable and that they will eventually need to start trading some of their vets and get earnest about a rebuild.  With Seattle, their view was that the Kraken have focused on the centre position at the top of the draft (Beniers, Wright, Catton) and are missing the long-term #1 D.  

Their views on Calgary and Seattle made me think of a few players:  MacKenzie Weegar, Rasmus Andersson, Beniers, and Shane Wright. Would Beniers for Power be crazy (give or take pieces to balance the trade one way or the other)? Or what about Shane Wright.  Neither are veterans though. So we aren't getting more experienced. Would Byram get us Andersson? Is that even a good trade?  What would Calgary need to consider moving Weegar? 

Anyway, there is a lot of discussion about revamping our D.  What would be an acceptable return for Byram or Power?

 

Excellent question. I wouldn't be adverse to trading either or both. No idea for who. The last couple years the "eye test" for me was both cozens and power were typically on the ice for key goals against.  So again could see both purged. I wonder who picked Mcloed in that trade. Excellent trade and hopefully he could identify a defensive or two on another team for trade.

[GASabresIUFAN]

Trade him for a 1st and a defensive D and then trade the 1st for 2nd defensive D.  

[Mr. Allen]

I think this group is much more likely to trade Bryam than Power.  It’s a bad look for a GM to trade the guy he picked #1.  

[Archie Lee]

1 hour ago, dudacek said:

I wouldn't trade Power for Beniers (who I like) or Wright (who I do not), but that is his ball park value.

The model for a Power trade would be the old Seth Jones for Ryan Johanssen deal.

Personally, I haven't given up on Power yet. I'd see what the market is, but it would take a strong offer to pull the trigger.

***

Byram's value is at least as good as it was a year ago, where he garnered a 50- to 60ish-point 2C.

His 5-on-5 numbers and the minutes he's played while staying healthy have answered the two biggest questions about him from a year ago. The same GMs who loved his skillset previously will not have changed their minds and he's still early enough in his Sabre career that "Buffalo stink" can work to the Sabres advantage.

I think a Weegar or Andersson type piece is definitely close enough in the way Norris was for Cozens as main pieces. (Andersson has had a worse season and is a year from UFA, Weegar is 8 years older)

I like Byram in the way I liked Brandon Montour and see similar utility in him, but I think his time in Buffalo officially ended when his buddy Cozens got traded. In order to add what we have to add, he's probably the most logical trade chip.

To the bolded: that seems right, but I have a hard time identifying a 50-60 point centre that I think a team would trade for Byram. 

[dudacek]

51 minutes ago, Archie Lee said:

To the bolded: that seems right, but I have a hard time identifying a 50-60 point centre that I think a team would trade for Byram. 

Not sure that's what they need to get for him anyway, unless Tage to RW is a thing.

RFAs looking to get paid, like Byram, this year, or next:

• Rossi,
• Knies
• Villardi
• McTavish
• Cuylle
• Pinto
• Kakko
• Schneider
• Miller
• Hayton
• Zegras

Players with a year to UFA:

• Connor
• Necas
• Kempe
• Schmaltz
• Lowry
• Andersson
• Coyle

If we need to add a prospect, we've got 'em. If somebody needs to unload the dollars we've got space.

Didn't put a ton of thought into it in terms of "equal value" or fit, it's just list of not completely outlandish players whose contracts are coming up, which is typically where GMs do their fishing.

The other place to look is at rebuilding teams looking to get younger.

Edited Sunday at 07:13 PM by dudacek

[SabreFinn]

6 minutes ago, dudacek said:

Not sure that's what they need to get for him anyway, unless Tage to RW is a thing.

RFAs looking to get paid, like Byram, this year, or next:

• Rossi,
• Knies
• Villardi
• McTavish
• Cuylle
• Pinto
• Kakko
• Schneider
• Miller
• Hayton
• Zegras

Players with a year to UFA:

• Connor
• Necas
• Kempe
• Schmaltz
• Lowry
• Andersson
• Coyle

If we need to add a prospect, we've got 'em. If somebody needs to unload the dollars we've got space.

Didn't put a ton of thought into it in terms of "equal value" or fit, it's just list of not completely outlandish players whose contracts are coming up, which is typically where GMs do their fishing.

The other place to look is at rebuilding teams looking to get younger.

Braden Schneider on that list is a defensive RHD I think could be what we are looking for.

[PerreaultForever]

The problem I have with Adams (well, the biggest problem) is this constant narrative that it's "hard to make a hockey trade" and that's the only trade he will consider. The reality is it's easy but you need to do TWO trades not one. That way the whole league is an option. You can do a hockey trade if it's there but if not, you work harder and you trade the guy you don't want for picks and prospects and then you trade picks and prospects (not necessarily the same ones) for a veteran guy(s) you want from someone else. Teams contending, teams rebuilding, teams with cap room, teams that need cap room, they all want different things and Adams can fill any of those needs if he stops trying to do just one deal that is player for player. 

So Power or Byram for whatever but ultimately we end up with veterans on the team that we are currently missing like a solid defensive D man (among other things). 

Adams needs to stop trying to win deals and stop waiting and use the luxury position he currently has. How they can still not get this right is mindbogglingly stupid. 

[LGR4GM]

13 minutes ago, PerreaultForever said:

The problem I have with Adams (well, the biggest problem) is this constant narrative that it's "hard to make a hockey trade" and that's the only trade he will consider. The reality is it's easy but you need to do TWO trades not one. That way the whole league is an option. You can do a hockey trade if it's there but if not, you work harder and you trade the guy you don't want for picks and prospects and then you trade picks and prospects (not necessarily the same ones) for a veteran guy(s) you want from someone else. Teams contending, teams rebuilding, teams with cap room, teams that need cap room, they all want different things and Adams can fill any of those needs if he stops trying to do just one deal that is player for player. 

So Power or Byram for whatever but ultimately we end up with veterans on the team that we are currently missing like a solid defensive D man (among other things). 

Adams needs to stop trying to win deals and stop waiting and use the luxury position he currently has. How they can still not get this right is mindbogglingly stupid. 

Adams lacks imagination. 

[Brawndo]

Power is pretty close to untouchable in trade talks for the present Sabres FO 

[Thorner]

Power is completely on track lol trading him would be absurd 

51 minutes ago, LGR4GM said:

Adams lacks imagination. 

He lacks base level competence 

[GASabresIUFAN]

8 minutes ago, Thorner said:

Power is completely on track lol trading him would be absurd 

59 minutes ago, LGR4GM said:

On track for what?  Being the softest and worst defensive big D man in NHL history? 

[Mr. Allen]

Honest question.  Do you think he knows he’s a giant wussy?  Or do you think in his mind he plays exactly how he should?

I wonder if these players know what the fans think of them or do they not care? 

[GASabresIUFAN]

3 minutes ago, Mr. Allen said:

Honest question.  Do you think he knows he’s a giant wussy?  Or do you think in his mind he plays exactly how he should?

I wonder if these players know what the fans think of them or do they not care? 

He knows he’s a wussy and doesn’t care.  The guy was the last Sabre into the scrum after the boarding  of JJP and didn’t even drop his stick or grab a guy. 

He needs to be traded while he still has value and we can get out from under his terrible contract.  
 

He has 235 NHL games already has hasn’t improved at all on either end of the ice.  

Edited Sunday at 08:59 PM by GASabresIUFAN

[Thorner]

We need a playoff team so badly 

[GASabresIUFAN]

@Thorner  I honestly don’t know what you like about Power’s game.

He isn’t physical at all. He is unable or unwilling to clear the crease or knock someone off the puck.  

He is positionally horrible on defense.  

He isn’t a very fast skater and doesn’t make good decisions with the puck consistently.  

He also isn’t a great PP QB.  

Byram gives us the same level of offense without the PP time and at least he’s working on get better defensively.  

Basically Power is offensively the same player he was as a rookie and his defense has gotten worse.  

Paying this guy 8.3 million a year is drag on the franchise.  

[Thorner]

2 minutes ago, GASabresIUFAN said:

@Thorner  I honestly don’t know what you like about Power’s game.

He isn’t physical at all. He is unable or unwilling to clear the crease or knock someone off the puck.  

He is positionally horrible on defense.  

He isn’t a very fast skater and doesn’t make good decisions with the puck consistently.  

He also isn’t a great PP QB.  

Byram gives us the same level of offense without the PP time and at least he’s working on get better defensively.  

Basically Power is offensively the same player he was as a rookie and his defense has gotten worse.  

Paying this guy 8.3 million a year is drag on the franchise.  

Good hair, though 

[GASabresIUFAN]

Just now, Thorner said:

Good hair, though 

Yes very, but only Troy Polamanu has $8.3 million hair.

[Thorner]

1 minute ago, GASabresIUFAN said:

Yes very, but only Troy Polamanu has $8.3 million hair.

You asked with your eyes, Trent 

you asked with your eyes 

[Archie Lee]

45 minutes ago, Thorner said:

Power is completely on track lol trading him would be absurd 

He lacks base level competence 

I agree he is on track. I’m not worried about Power. I’m not dumping him. Trading him would not be an addition by subtraction move. But, I’m not sure why it would be absurd to trade him for a player who helps us be a better team? Not for a rental, not for a prospect, not for picks, not for a 35 year old, but for a 24-27 year-old legit top 6 centre with 4-5 years of team control. 

[SABRES 0311]

35 minutes ago, Archie Lee said:

I agree he is on track. I’m not worried about Power. I’m not dumping him. Trading him would not be an addition by subtraction move. But, I’m not sure why it would be absurd to trade him for a player who helps us be a better team? Not for a rental, not for a prospect, not for picks, not for a 35 year old, but for a 24-27 year-old legit top 6 centre with 4-5 years of team control. 

On track for what?

[Flashsabre]

LA really defends well and Gavrikov is a huge piece. If he hit UFA I would love to sign him and have a Gavrikov-Dahlin pair and play them all the time. Then move Byram.

[LGR4GM]

The reason to trade Power is not because he's bad at hockey, it's because he doesn't play hockey how you want your team to. Adams lacks the ability to have that distinction and to act on it. 

[SABRES 0311]

I just don’t understand the attachment to OP. He’s a routine topic of poor play. Does anyone think he’s going to be something different?