The Sabres' Fan Mutiny Has Begun

[Sidc3000]

16 minutes ago, LGR4GM said:

Not to come off as a dick but are you serious? Jack Quinn literally hurt his Achilles working out, in the offseason. 

He was out for multiple games, at least twice in 2022 for injuries, then he ruptured his Achilles in June of 2023. He returned to the line up in December of 2023. He then went out for a chunk of games this season for a lower body injury which wasn’t related to his Achilles. You may want to get your facts straight  before you come off as a dick 🤷‍♂️

 

https://www.buffalohockeybeat.com/sabres-jack-quinn-finding-mojo-after-return-from-injury/?utm_source=chatgpt.com

Edited Thursday at 09:40 PM by Sidc3000

[That Aud Smell]

14 minutes ago, LGR4GM said:

Jack Quinn literally hurt his Achilles working out, in the offseason. 

Working out on his own, if memory serves. I also seem to recall him acknowledging that he was probably trying to do too much, or words to that effect. Maybe the question is whether the team properly monitors and prescribes what their players are doing in terms of offseason workouts?

7 minutes ago, Thorner said:

That’s why I never understand the people that will carry water for him just because there are other incompetent people around too. He’s not likeable. I have no comment on him personally but as a general manager he comes off like a smug, arrogant doofus 

It's mean and maybe a little unfair, but fuggit: I cannot stand how stupid he looks, how idiotic he consistently comes off.

He's the worst kind of dummy there is, imo. A guy who reads the right self-help books, internalizes all the right buzz words, learns the cadence and speech patterns of people who know what the funk they're doing, concludes that he's smart and an top of sh1t ... but, in practical terms, is a blundering buffoon.

[Thorner]

4 minutes ago, That Aud Smell said:

Working out on his own, if memory serves. I also seem to recall him acknowledging that he was probably trying to do too much, or words to that effect. Maybe the question is whether the team properly monitors and prescribes what their players are doing in terms of offseason workouts?

It's mean and maybe a little unfair, but fuggit: I cannot stand how stupid he looks, how idiotic he consistently comes off.

He's the worst kind of dummy there is, imo. A guy who reads the right self-help books, internalizes all the right buzz words, learns the cadence and speech patterns of people who know what the funk they're doing, concludes that he's smart and an top of sh1t ... but, in practical terms, is a blundering buffoon.

[LGR4GM]

10 minutes ago, Sidc3000 said:

He was out for multiple games, at least twice in 2022 for injuries, then he ruptured his Achilles in June of 2023. He returned to the line up in December of 2023. He then went out for a chunk of games this season for a lower body injury which wasn’t related to his Achilles. You may want to get your facts straight  before you come off as a dick 🤷‍♂️

 

https://www.buffalohockeybeat.com/sabres-jack-quinn-finding-mojo-after-return-from-injury/?utm_source=chatgpt.com

I always have my facts straight. Now I'll be a dick. 

So he gets injured and can't workout in 2022 then comes back and gets injured after not working because he was injured. You see the problem with your logic timbits? You claim he gets injured because he doesn't workout, dude literally got injured working out and then yea... was injured. It's self fulfilling prophecy but it still counters your OP which was factually nonsense. 

Jack Quinn isn't getting injured because he's too lazy to workout. 

[PerreaultForever]

31 minutes ago, 7+6=13 said:

I appreciate that.  It's how I meant it.  You offended me first and I'm not backing down.

I never said ANYTHING about YOU. You need to apologize for this personal attack crap. 

[LGR4GM]

The Sabres lose games because they allow more goals = Jack Quinn was injured last year because he didn't work out... after being injured working out. 

[PerreaultForever]

2 minutes ago, LGR4GM said:

I always have my facts straight. Now I'll be a dick. 

So he gets injured and can't workout in 2022 then comes back and gets injured after not working because he was injured. You see the problem with your logic timbits? You claim he gets injured because he doesn't workout, dude literally got injured working out and then yea... was injured. It's self fulfilling prophecy but it still counters your OP which was factually nonsense. 

Jack Quinn isn't getting injured because he's too lazy to workout. 

Maybe there's some truth on both sides? Maybe after getting injured working out heavily he decided to work out less so as not to repeat getting injured?

[Sidc3000]

2 minutes ago, LGR4GM said:

I always have my facts straight. Now I'll be a dick. 

So he gets injured and can't workout in 2022 then comes back and gets injured after not working because he was injured. You see the problem with your logic timbits? You claim he gets injured because he doesn't workout, dude literally got injured working out and then yea... was injured. It's self fulfilling prophecy but it still counters your OP which was factually nonsense. 

Timbit, 😂 cute.  Please show me where I said Quinn (or any player) didn’t do off season workouts? You bolded where I questioned if the Sabres TRACKED OR EMPHASIZED off season workouts.  

[LGR4GM]

Just now, Sidc3000 said:

Timbit, 😂 cute.  Please show me where I said Quinn (or any player) didn’t do off season workouts? You bolded where I questioned if the Sabres TRACKED OR EMPHASIZED off season workouts.  

Got it, you're running on 100% conjecture. And you're yelling at me about facts. 

Personally, I think some guys are injury prone. Their bodies for whatever reason can't handle it and break down more often. 

[Sidc3000]

5 minutes ago, LGR4GM said:

Got it, you're running on 100% conjecture. And you're yelling at me about facts. 

Personally, I think some guys are injury prone. Their bodies for whatever reason can't handle it and break down more often. 

I was just posing a question which you read into terribly and then was factually inaccurate when Quinn injured himself.  
 

some people are injury prone but many people are “injury prone” because they’re not properly prepared, physically, for what they’re doing. 

[shrader]

1 hour ago, matter2003 said:

More like the NFL prints money while the NHL is a charity case.

The Bills, one of the lowest valued NFL franchises, is worth 1.4 Billion more than the most valuable NHL franchise, the Maple Leafs.

Just shows the huge disparity in terms of what each league is working with.

There are players in the NFL that are paid almost what the NHL salary cap is for each team total.

From what I can see, the highest NFL salary is ~$60 million for Dak Prescott. No one is approaching the NHL salary cap of $88 million. 
 

NHL players actually have a higher average salary than the NFL. But that’s what happens when one roster is less than half the size of the other. 

[PerreaultForever]

3 minutes ago, Sidc3000 said:

I was just posing a question which you read into terribly and then was factually inaccurate when Quinn injured himself.  
 

some people are injury prone but many people are “injury prone” because they’re not properly prepared, physically, for what they’re doing. 

I find myself wondering how few Sabres play through injuries compared to other teams that are still competitive. It's fairly well known that Brady Tkachuk is still hurt from the 4Nations but he toughs it out. Norris comes here and he's not fit to go. If he was still in Ottawa would he be sucking it up and playing through it? idk. Hard to say with how little they say these days on what injuries are but I do wonder. A lot of Sabres do seem to miss games for seemingly little things. 

[Sidc3000]

1 hour ago, matter2003 said:

The Bills, one of the lowest valued NFL franchises, is worth 1.4 Billion more than the most valuable NHL franchise, the Maple Leafs.

Um, the Leafs are worth  4 billion dollars. Hell the Sabres are valued at 1.15 billion according to CNBC 

https://www.cnbc.com/2024/11/20/cnbc-official-nhl-team-valuations-2024.html

[LGR4GM]

20 minutes ago, Sidc3000 said:

I was just posing a question which you read into terribly and then was factually inaccurate when Quinn injured himself.  
 

some people are injury prone but many people are “injury prone” because they’re not properly prepared, physically, for what they’re doing. 

You know me, factually inaccurate about Quinn getting injured in the offseason working out. 

https://www.espn.com/nhl/story/_/id/37933899/reports-sabres-forward-jack-quinn-suffers-ruptured-achilles

 

[Thorner]

The mutiny of Helm’s Deep is over 

the mutiny of the Buffalo Sabres has just begun 

[Sidc3000]

13 minutes ago, PerreaultForever said:

I find myself wondering how few Sabres play through injuries compared to other teams that are still competitive. It's fairly well known that Brady Tkachuk is still hurt from the 4Nations but he toughs it out. Norris comes here and he's not fit to go. If he was still in Ottawa would he be sucking it up and playing through it? idk. Hard to say with how little they say these days on what injuries are but I do wonder. A lot of Sabres do seem to miss games for seemingly little things. 

I’m fine with not having Norris play. Get him healthy and stronger 

[7+6=13]

1 hour ago, PerreaultForever said:

I never said ANYTHING about YOU. You need to apologize for this personal attack crap. 

 I'm not going to dignify this dumb post with a response.

Get it now?

 

 

Edited Thursday at 10:54 PM by 7+6=13

[Sidc3000]

27 minutes ago, LGR4GM said:

You know me, factually inaccurate about Quinn getting injured in the offseason working out. 

https://www.espn.com/nhl/story/_/id/37933899/reports-sabres-forward-jack-quinn-suffers-ruptured-achilles

 

I misread your post, my brain read that he just came back from the Achilles injury. I apologize for misreading that part. Quinn has been “injury prone” like Sammuelsson. They both have missed a significant amount of games, due to injuries. Maybe the Sabres are unlucky with their draft picks but neither of them had any significant injuries before they played in the NHL.  

[LGR4GM]

31 minutes ago, Sidc3000 said:

I misread your post, my brain read that he just came back from the Achilles injury. I apologize for misreading that part. Quinn has been “injury prone” like Sammuelsson. They both have missed a significant amount of games, due to injuries. Maybe the Sabres are unlucky with their draft picks but neither of them had any significant injuries before they played in the NHL.  

That's true. My thought is that Buffalo is cursed. 

[Sidc3000]

25 minutes ago, LGR4GM said:

That's true. My thought is that Buffalo is cursed. 

That’s always a possibility 

 

[Porous Five Hole]

5 hours ago, dudacek said:

 

 

• Patty left after some secret behind-the-scenes meltdown

 

Minor correction. This narrative of a meltdown was created by the organization to cover their azz for Pat abruptly quitting and it isn’t true.  

The day Patty quit ended up being a day of infamy. 
It killed the concept of a senior hockey executive running a hockey department in Buffalo. It killed the relationship with a former star player.  It enabled/empowered Pegs to be closer to hockey decisions. 

Turned out Pegs likes being close to hockey decisions. 

[Mango]

4 hours ago, matter2003 said:

More like the NFL prints money while the NHL is a charity case.

The Bills, one of the lowest valued NFL franchises, is worth 1.4 Billion more than the most valuable NHL franchise, the Maple Leafs.

Just shows the huge disparity in terms of what each league is working with.

There are players in the NFL that are paid almost what the NHL salary cap is for each team total.

The NFL printing money doesn't really have anything to do with boxing Pegula out.

[Sidc3000]

2 hours ago, Sidc3000 said:

I misread your post, my brain read that he just came back from the Achilles injury. I apologize for misreading that part. Quinn has been “injury prone” like Sammuelsson. They both have missed a significant amount of games, due to injuries. Maybe the Sabres are unlucky with their draft picks but neither of them had any significant injuries before they played in the NHL.  

So I guess the NHL CBA is much better than the NFL. Teams can’t force players to participate in off season conditioning. No wonder why these players come to camp out of shape. 

 

[matter2003]

13 hours ago, Sidc3000 said:

Um, the Leafs are worth  4 billion dollars. Hell the Sabres are valued at 1.15 billion according to CNBC 

https://www.cnbc.com/2024/11/20/cnbc-official-nhl-team-valuations-2024.html

I said the Bills, not the Sabres...the Bills are worth 5.35+ Billion dollars and are the 29th most valuable franchise in the NFL.

14 hours ago, shrader said:

From what I can see, the highest NFL salary is ~$60 million for Dak Prescott. No one is approaching the NHL salary cap of $88 million. 
 

NHL players actually have a higher average salary than the NFL. But that’s what happens when one roster is less than half the size of the other. 

Right, which is almost 70% of the cap in the NHL.  I didn't say they were as much as the NHL cap, I said almost worth as much.

Edited Friday at 12:12 PM by matter2003

[shrader]

26 minutes ago, matter2003 said:

I said the Bills, not the Sabres...the Bills are worth 5.35+ Billion dollars and are the 29th most valuable franchise in the NFL.

Right, which is almost 70% of the cap in the NHL.  I didn't say they were as much as the NHL cap, I said almost worth as much.

I guess I wouldn’t call that approaching, but that’s not really all that important. NHL players get a very sweet deal given the money differences between the two leagues. Guaranteed contracts, higher salaries due to smaller rosters, guaranteed a larger portion of the revenue pie than the NFL… They’ve done very well for themselves.