LGR4GM Posted March 19 Author Report Posted March 19 3 minutes ago, SABRES 0311 said: The judge offered no proof anyone on the plane was not a member of the terrorist organization. People are actually in favor of bringing terrorists back into the U.S. and you’re saying I’m the one who doesn’t care about the constitution? 😂 What if 1 of those ppl deported wasn't a terrorist? Also because there was no court hearing, Trump offered no proof they were terrorists that I am currently aware of. Just his word. That's why there is a deportation hearing. Again, those ppl would have been remanded in ICE Custody until the court process played out. They would not have just come back and gone back into the world. That's not what this was. It was return until the court process plays out.
K-9 Posted March 19 Report Posted March 19 1 hour ago, SABRES 0311 said: The organization they belong to is designated as a terrorist organization. Per an NPR report from March 16 2025: “Last year, the Biden administration labelledTren de Aragua as a transnational criminal organization, and in January, the U.S. government designated the Tren de Aragua as a foreign terrorist organization.” It was the Biden administration who labeled them as a terrorist organization. Trump slapped the transnational tag on them. Are you aware that this judge previously oversaw the Alien Terrorist Removal Court and he is perfectly aware of who’s been designated a terrorist group or not? Did you read why the judge ruled the way he did? That he requested additional information from government lawyers on the flights and the people being deported and that those lawyers have refused to provide it? Are you aware that he also has a concern that not every deportee on those planes is part of that terrorist group as claimed by the government? A lawyer for one of the deportees said the reason her client was designated part of the terrorist group is because he has tattoos? You may give a crap or not, bur there are rules of law that still matter. Perhaps Trump and his federal prosecutors in this case should respect that and let the process play out according to that rule of law instead of labeling those judges who don’t immediately give them what they want as left wing traitors. 1 1
SwampD Posted March 19 Report Posted March 19 6 minutes ago, SABRES 0311 said: The judge offered no proof anyone on the plane was not a member of the terrorist organization. People are actually in favor of bringing terrorists back into the U.S. and you’re saying I’m the one who doesn’t care about the constitution? 😂 Is there proof that they were all members of a terrorist organization? I mean, other than, Trump said so.
LGR4GM Posted March 19 Author Report Posted March 19 10 minutes ago, SwampD said: Is there proof that they were all members of a terrorist organization? I mean, other than, Trump said so. What happens when Trump declares Democrats terrorists? Or anyone who supports a permanent ceasefire in Gaza? What about when he sells Ukraine to Russia and ppl get upset and protest, are they now terrorists? Can he deport them by force? 1
SwampD Posted March 19 Report Posted March 19 4 minutes ago, LGR4GM said: What happens when Trump declares Democrats terrorists? Or anyone who supports a permanent ceasefire in Gaza? What about when he sells Ukraine to Russia and ppl get upset and protest, are they now terrorists? Can he deport them by force? He is already doing that. There are unmarked ICE vans all around Columbia university. They don't care if you are here legally. They don't care if you are a scientist. They don't care if you have proper documentation. They haul them away, detain them and say they will work it out later. Unlike the Nazis in those old war movies, these guys don't even ask to see your papers.
LGR4GM Posted March 19 Author Report Posted March 19 (edited) Here is a good story about this happening: She was a Canadian Citizen, here legally with no criminal record. She was held for 2 weeks in appalling conditions. https://www.theguardian.com/us-news/2025/mar/19/canadian-detained-us-immigration-jasmine-mooney "The reality became clear: Ice detention isn’t just a bureaucratic nightmare. It’s a business. These facilities are privately owned and run for profit. Companies like CoreCivic and GEO Group receive government funding based on the number of people they detain, which is why they lobby for stricter immigration policies. It’s a lucrative business: CoreCivic made over $560m from Ice contracts in a single year. In 2024, GEO Group made more than $763m from Ice contracts. The more detainees, the more money they make. It stands to reason that these companies have no incentive to release people quickly. What I had experienced was finally starting to make sense." Edited March 19 by LGR4GM
Demoted Posted March 19 Report Posted March 19 (edited) I just want to add they say the judge was Obama appointed when the TRUTH is he was Bush appointed. Just need to clear that little misinformation the Trump administration keeps putting out there. Crazy they like to make up narratives to help them destroy America. Edited March 19 by Demoted 1
SwampD Posted March 19 Report Posted March 19 12 minutes ago, Demoted said: I just want to add they say the judge was Obama appointed when the TRUTH is he was Bush appointed. Just need to clear that little misinformation the Trump administration keeps putting out there. Crazy they like to make up narratives to help them destroy America. All they do is lie.
K-9 Posted March 19 Report Posted March 19 1 hour ago, SABRES 0311 said: The judge offered no proof anyone on the plane was not a member of the terrorist organization. People are actually in favor of bringing terrorists back into the U.S. and you’re saying I’m the one who doesn’t care about the constitution? 😂 The judge offered no proof? The judge? JFC! 1
SABRES 0311 Posted March 19 Report Posted March 19 19 minutes ago, K-9 said: The judge offered no proof? The judge? JFC! They were deported under the Alien Enemies Act. This requires little to no due process. The judge’s reasoning was to provide due process. What was his reason to require something the act does not? If the judge had said the application of the act is the issue because the country in question is not a state sponsor of the terrorist organization, that’s different. The onus is on the Trump administration and DHS. If even one person is innocent then they messed up. By that I mean verified proof. Not some emotional “Trump is a nazi” thing.
LGR4GM Posted March 19 Author Report Posted March 19 3 minutes ago, SABRES 0311 said: They were deported under the Alien Enemies Act. This requires little to no due process. The judge’s reasoning was to provide due process. What was his reason to require something the act does not? If the judge had said the application of the act is the issue because the country in question is not a state sponsor of the terrorist organization, that’s different. The onus is on the Trump administration and DHS. If even one person is innocent then they messed up. By that I mean verified proof. Not some emotional “Trump is a nazi” thing. How would one of provide proof of innocence without due process? How would one provide proof of guilt?
SwampD Posted March 19 Report Posted March 19 Just now, LGR4GM said: How would one of provide proof of innocence without due process? How would one provide proof of guilt? Stop being emotional. I swear, if these people are waiting for train cars full of people to be convinced, it will be way too late.
SABRES 0311 Posted March 19 Report Posted March 19 Just now, LGR4GM said: How would one of provide proof of innocence without due process? How would one provide proof of guilt? Thats just it. The act does not require due process. https://www.nafsa.org/regulatory-information/alien-enemies-act-1798
K-9 Posted March 19 Report Posted March 19 8 minutes ago, SABRES 0311 said: They were deported under the Alien Enemies Act. This requires little to no due process. The judge’s reasoning was to provide due process. What was his reason to require something the act does not? If the judge had said the application of the act is the issue because the country in question is not a state sponsor of the terrorist organization, that’s different. The onus is on the Trump administration and DHS. If even one person is innocent then they messed up. By that I mean verified proof. Not some emotional “Trump is a nazi” thing. The judge ASKED for the littlest of due process and the fed lawyers DID NOT PROVIDE IT. Instead, they tried peddeling bs about the plane being over international waters where the judge didn’t have jurisdiction. Damn right the onus is on the administration.
K-9 Posted March 19 Report Posted March 19 6 minutes ago, SABRES 0311 said: Thats just it. The act does not require due process. https://www.nafsa.org/regulatory-information/alien-enemies-act-1798 Then they should appeal as the system allows instead of calling for baseless impeachments.
SABRES 0311 Posted March 19 Report Posted March 19 4 minutes ago, SwampD said: Stop being emotional. I swear, if these people are waiting for train cars full of people to be convinced, it will be way too late. You guys weren’t posting this weird doom stuff when the left tried to dehumanize Trump supporters with the deplorable label. I doubt the left got this emotional when Obama’s IRS targeted conservatives. When the modern day leftist brown shirts, Antifa showed up you guys tried to say they’re not an actual group. 😂
LGR4GM Posted March 19 Author Report Posted March 19 11 minutes ago, SABRES 0311 said: Thats just it. The act does not require due process. https://www.nafsa.org/regulatory-information/alien-enemies-act-1798 So you have no idea if all these ppl are as claimed, terrorists/criminals. And you're against any type of hearing to verify it? That's at odds with what you said above. Just now, SABRES 0311 said: You guys weren’t posting this weird doom stuff when the left tried to dehumanize Trump supporters with the deplorable label. I doubt the left got this emotional when Obama’s IRS targeted conservatives. When the modern day leftist brown shirts, Antifa showed up you guys tried to say they’re not an actual group. 😂 Deflect, deflect, deflect
SABRES 0311 Posted March 19 Report Posted March 19 1 minute ago, LGR4GM said: So you have no idea if all these ppl are as claimed, terrorists/criminals. And you're against any type of hearing to verify it? That's at odds with what you said above. Deflect, deflect, deflect Irrelevant irrelevant irrelevant. And it’s not contradictory. The onus is on the administration to have the evidence/intelligence to support the act. Neither you, I, or the judge show a reason to do something the act does not require. The exception would be the organization is not sponsored by the country. If the judge brought that up I would probably be on board.
SwampD Posted March 19 Report Posted March 19 36 minutes ago, SABRES 0311 said: You guys weren’t posting this weird doom stuff when the left tried to dehumanize Trump supporters with the deplorable label. I doubt the left got this emotional when Obama’s IRS targeted conservatives. When the modern day leftist brown shirts, Antifa showed up you guys tried to say they’re not an actual group. 😂 What does leftist brown shirt mean?
SABRES 0311 Posted March 19 Report Posted March 19 (edited) 11 minutes ago, SwampD said: What does leftist brown shirt mean? Antifa is the equivalent of the Nazi brown shirts. Then you have the corrupted BLM movement that started burning cities and leftist politicians who showed their solidarity. You guys didn’t seem to mind that but now there seems to be a nazi around every corner. Im sure that’s just a deflection, or irrelevant now, or just never happened. Edited March 19 by SABRES 0311
SwampD Posted March 19 Report Posted March 19 (edited) 10 minutes ago, SABRES 0311 said: Antifa is the equivalent of of the Nazi brown shirts. Only, it's the complete opposite. Whatever has happened before, I believe that Trump is a fascist and that the Constitution is currently under the greatest threat it has been under since at least post WWII McCarthyism and maybe even since the Civil War. You are obviously fine with all of the power being consolidated into the executive branch, I am not. Edited March 19 by SwampD
SABRES 0311 Posted March 19 Report Posted March 19 (edited) 17 minutes ago, SwampD said: Only, it's the complete opposite. Whatever has happened before, I believe that Trump is a fascist and that the Constitution is currently under the greatest threat it has been under since at least post WWII McCarthyism and maybe even since the Civil War. You are obviously fine with all of the power being consolidated into the executive branch, I am not. No it’s not the opposite. Antifa uses threat of violence to try to intimidate people on sociopolitical issues. This is what I am talking about. What you said is about them is a total lie. But I’m supposed to believe you on what you think is a threat? Heres a comparison you can understand. Antifa is to the left what the goofball proud boys are to the right. Same but different. Both worthless. Edited March 19 by SABRES 0311
SwampD Posted March 19 Report Posted March 19 7 minutes ago, SABRES 0311 said: No it’s not the opposite. Antifa uses threat of violence to try to intimidate people on sociopolitical issues. This is what I am talking about. What you said is about them is a total lie. But I’m supposed to believe you on what you think is a threat? Heres a comparison you can understand. Antifa is to the left what the goofball proud boys are. Same but different. Both worthless. Anyone who resorts to violence is worthless. Honest question: do you see no difference between how this administration is doing business and all others did it before? Do you have no reservations at all about the current admin and that in '28 they will leave gracefully after it's term is up?
SABRES 0311 Posted March 19 Report Posted March 19 (edited) 45 minutes ago, SwampD said: Anyone who resorts to violence is worthless. Honest question: do you see no difference between how this administration is doing business and all others did it before? Do you have no reservations at all about the current admin and that in '28 they will leave gracefully after it's term is up? I’ll start with the second. F*** no would I be surprised if stupid s*** happened again. Like the left, there’s enough idiots on the right whose perception of reality is beyond stupid. I see the difference between Trump and previous admins. He talks a lot of s***. If you’re asking if I think he’s the only president who’s been accused of overstepping, no. I have a bigger concern for the populace than I do a guy who will be out of office in four years. Edited March 19 by SABRES 0311
K-9 Posted March 19 Report Posted March 19 2 hours ago, SABRES 0311 said: You guys weren’t posting this weird doom stuff when the left tried to dehumanize Trump supporters with the deplorable label. I doubt the left got this emotional when Obama’s IRS targeted conservatives. When the modern day leftist brown shirts, Antifa showed up you guys tried to say they’re not an actual group. 😂 You’re completely wrong about the deplorable comment as it was an idiotic thing for Clinton to say. Where is the antifa HQ and to whom should I address any correspondence?
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