Interesting Tidbit from John Wawrow

[Brawndo]

Lindy being able to go around GMKA with concerns has the potential to benefit the team this offseason, especially if Terry is hearing another voice about the team 

[GASabresIUFAN]

My guess is McD has a direct line to Terry regarding the Bills as well.

I said when Lindy was hired that I thought Lindy would get kicked upstairs after his stint as coach.  I wouldn't be at all surprised if Lindy becomes the team president over Adams or his replacement.  I honestly don't see this is a negative.  Terry needs to hear from someone other that the worm tongue that is Adams, especially someone that owes no allegiance to Adams.  Hopefully Lindy is telling TP that this team needs guys like Lydman and Tallinder and Terry tells Adams to go find such players.  

Can you imagine that Regier acquired Lydman for a 3rd? https://www.espn.co.uk/story/2143037/utils

 

[kas23]

This is how the Bills run, for better or worse. For example, when the Bills hired Rex Ryan, he didn’t report to Whaley, but rather to Pegula. I believe McD is the same too. 
 

https://www.espn.com/blog/buffalo-bills/post/_/id/17027/rex-ryan-will-report-directly-to-bills-owner-terry-pegula

[JohnC]

4 hours ago, GASabresIUFAN said:

My guess is McD has a direct line to Terry regarding the Bills as well.

I said when Lindy was hired that I thought Lindy would get kicked upstairs after his stint as coach.  I wouldn't be at all surprised if Lindy becomes the team president over Adams or his replacement.  I honestly don't see this is a negative.  Terry needs to hear from someone other that the worm tongue that is Adams, especially someone that owes no allegiance to Adams.  Hopefully Lindy is telling TP that this team needs guys like Lydman and Tallinder and Terry tells Adams to go find such players.  

Can you imagine that Regier acquired Lydman for a 3rd? https://www.espn.co.uk/story/2143037/utils

 

Pegula has owned the franchise for nearly a generation. If the reticent owner isn't aware of how successful NHL teams are constructed at this stage of his ownership, then he should be mandated to read NHL Hockey for Dummies. Something so basic to pro hockey is not difficult to discern. In addition, if he isn't regularly talking to the coach to get some feedback, then he's to blame for being out of the loop. 

Edited March 16 by JohnC

[Archie Lee]

1 hour ago, Brawndo said:

Lindy being able to go around GMKA with concerns has the potential to benefit the team this offseason, especially if Terry is hearing another voice about the team 

I think this only works if the GM and HC are essentially on the same page and are going to the owner with the same things.  If the GM and HC are going to the owner with different visions on the coaching staff or roster, then it seems like a recipe for disaster. 

[OrangeSeatVertigo]

1 hour ago, Brawndo said:

Lindy being able to go around GMKA with concerns has the potential to benefit the team this offseason, especially if Terry is hearing another voice about the team 

yeah anyone who thinks pro sports team Head Coaches report to the GM is about 30 years out of phase

[PerreaultForever]

Is Adams in a lame duck position? One can hope.

idk, if it was true that Adams wanted Appert as coach and Terry told him to hire Lindy then there's a relationship there and that's good. Not good for Adams, but good for everyone else. The question is what is Lindy saying or asking for? I'd hope he gets to fire all his assistants and bring in his own but I suspect that's unlikely. 

Are we too young? Obviously. 

Is the whole waiting for prospects not blocking prospects thing dumb? Obviously.

Do we need veteran leaders on the roster? Obviously. 

Can we get them? Good question. 

[tom webster]

I continue to read all this post about hiring a President of hockey ops, hiring experienced people etc, etc. 

 

History, however, suggests, there is no blue print. The top teams in the league now hired first time general managers, first time nhl coaches, only added POH when they needed to retain a valued assistant. Done went the experienced route. Carolina has been one of the best franchises for awhile now and is run by one of the most meddling owners in sports.

In the NFL, the Rams borrowed a page from the Sabres and gutted their scouting department and emphasize video scouting and now they have one of the most successful drafting records in the league and their front office ok we people are in high demand.

 

[Archie Lee]

54 minutes ago, OrangeSeatVertigo said:

yeah anyone who thinks pro sports team Head Coaches report to the GM is about 30 years out of phase

I think you are overstating things.  Hockey and football are different.  Do you really think Bruce Cassidy, Pete DeBoer, Jerad Bednar, Rick Tochett, etc., etc., just skip past their GM's and POHO's and go right to the owner with their concerns?

1 minute ago, tom webster said:

I continue to read all this post about hiring a President of hockey ops, hiring experienced people etc, etc. 

 

History, however, suggests, there is no blue print. The top teams in the league now hired first time general managers, first time nhl coaches, only added POH when they needed to retain a valued assistant. Done went the experienced route. Carolina has been one of the best franchises for awhile now and is run by one of the most meddling owners in sports.

In the NFL, the Rams borrowed a page from the Sabres and gutted their scouting department and emphasize video scouting and now they have one of the most successful drafting records in the league and their front office ok we people are in high demand.

 

Agreed.  The issue is 94% not the org chart, but the men filling the positions.

[Thorner]

2 hours ago, Brawndo said:

Lindy being able to go around GMKA with concerns has the potential to benefit the team this offseason, especially if Terry is hearing another voice about the team 

The biggest benefit would be the fact they realize if they are needing Ruff to go around Adams, Adams shouldn’t be here 

1 hour ago, GASabresIUFAN said:

My guess is McD has a direct line to Terry regarding the Bills as well.

I said when Lindy was hired that I thought Lindy would get kicked upstairs after his stint as coach.  I wouldn't be at all surprised if Lindy becomes the team president over Adams or his replacement.  I honestly don't see this is a negative.  Terry needs to hear from someone other that the worm tongue that is Adams, especially someone that owes no allegiance to Adams.  Hopefully Lindy is telling TP that this team needs guys like Lydman and Tallinder and Terry tells Adams to go find such players.  

Can you imagine that Regier acquired Lydman for a 3rd? https://www.espn.co.uk/story/2143037/utils

 

Adams is getting reverse wormtongued by sounds of it 

[Flashsabre]

Fire Adams, put Ruff in the front office. Hire a seasoned GM to work with Ruff. Ruff communicates with Terry.

[Pimlach]

2 hours ago, PerreaultForever said:

Is Adams in a lame duck position? One can hope.

idk, if it was true that Adams wanted Appert as coach and Terry told him to hire Lindy then there's a relationship there and that's good. Not good for Adams, but good for everyone else. The question is what is Lindy saying or asking for? I'd hope he gets to fire all his assistants and bring in his own but I suspect that's unlikely. 

Are we too young? Obviously. 

Is the whole waiting for prospects not blocking prospects thing dumb? Obviously.

Do we need veteran leaders on the roster? Obviously. 

Can we get them? Good question. 

This is a positive.  Adams wanted Appert as coach and didn't get it,  and Adams does not want advisors/consultants and now he has one.  Terry decided on Lindy and the direct line to Terry is exactly what Coach McDermott has.  

I just hope Lindy becomes the more influential of the two and that leads to positive changes. 

Still prefer Adams is replaced but that is not likely unless he plays the politics of this triad wrong. 

Edited March 16 by Pimlach

[GoPuckYourself]

Ruff can't even cut it as a HC and we're putting him up in the office? Maybe stop hiring ex Sabres coaches who are well past their prime? 

[SwampD]

I just don't care anymore.

Sell. The. Team.

I feel the same way about Pegula now that I did about Eichel when he left.

Eichel - is he a good hockey player,… probably,… don't care. Just go away.

Pegula - could he be a good owner,… probably,… don't care. Just go away.

Edited March 16 by SwampD

[Pimlach]

30 minutes ago, GoPuckYourself said:

Ruff can't even cut it as a HC and we're putting him up in the office? Maybe stop hiring ex Sabres coaches who are well past their prime? 

There are several ex Sabres in front offices all around the league.  

There are many ex NHL coaches in front offices all around the league. 

I am not thrilled with Lindy’s coaching either but Adams running this is failing.  Maybe Lindy can help more from a team roster building perspective?   Maybe he turns out to be good at it?  

[GoPuckYourself]

7 minutes ago, Pimlach said:

There are several ex Sabres in front offices all around the league.  

There are many ex NHL coaches in front offices all around the league. 

I am not thrilled with Lindy’s coaching either but Adams running this is failing.  Maybe Lindy can help more from a team roster building perspective?   Maybe he turns out to be good at it?  

Lindy is a failed HC now both in NJ and Buff, putting him upstairs because of nostalgia is absolutely ridiculous. So He's not good enough to hack it as a HC but he'll magically be better as a hockey operations guy in a role he's never been in anywhere? This is exactly why I didn't want Ruff back, he's going to set this franchise back another 5 seasons, he's clearly past his prime.

Edited March 16 by GoPuckYourself

[triumph_communes]

Lindy didn’t get to hire his assistants.  I can see Lindy getting upgraded to President while they clean house and start over elsewhere.

 

the team itself needs vets

[Flashsabre]

19 minutes ago, GoPuckYourself said:

Lindy is a failed HC now both in NJ and Buff, putting him upstairs because of nostalgia is absolutely ridiculous. So He's not good enough to hack it as a HC but he'll magically be better as a hockey operations guy in a role he's never been in anywhere? This is exactly why I didn't want Ruff back, he's going to set this franchise back another 5 seasons, he's clearly past his prime.

Terry is not firing Lindy. Many reports that the two are friends. This is a way to get rid of Adams.

Im not advocating making him GM. I’m saying let him move upstairs, hire a seasoned GM, let him build the team and let Lindy be the voice in the office that communicates with Terry.

Lindy had NJ 3rd OA is the league the one year. The goaltending killed them his final year there. He has not had a good year here it he wasn’t given a chance to build a staff. I would rather him upstairs at this point and give a younger but seasoned coach a shot.

Edited March 16 by Flashsabre

[shrader]

53 minutes ago, Flashsabre said:

Terry is not firing Lindy. Many reports that the two are friends. This is a way to get rid of Adams.

Im not advocating making him GM. I’m saying let him move upstairs, hire a seasoned GM, let him build the team and let Lindy be the voice in the office that communicates with Terry.

Lindy had NJ 3rd OA is the league the one year. The goaltending killed them his final year there. He has not had a good year here it he wasn’t given a chance to build a staff. I would rather him upstairs at this point and give a younger but seasoned coach a shot.

Now we need to start pitching an angle where Ruff tanked the season to get Adams out of the way.

[JohnC]

3 hours ago, Archie Lee said:

 

Agreed.  The issue is 94% not the org chart, but the men filling the positions.

The owner has made the critical hires. When he is trying to determine what the problem is he should look in the mirror. 

[7+6=13]

4 hours ago, JohnC said:

Pegula has owned the franchise for nearly a generation. If the reticent owner isn't aware of how successful NHL teams are constructed at this stage of his ownership, then he should be mandated to read NHL Hockey for Dummies. Something so basic to pro hockey is not difficult to discern. In addition, if he isn't regularly talking to the coach to get some feedback, then he's to blame for being out of the loop. 

Yet if he's regularly talking to the coach or anyone, he's meddling.  The fact is we don't know who to blame and that's the truth.

[Stoner]

The more things change...

[Pimlach]

1 hour ago, GoPuckYourself said:

Lindy is a failed HC now both in NJ and Buff, putting him upstairs because of nostalgia is absolutely ridiculous. So He's not good enough to hack it as a HC but he'll magically be better as a hockey operations guy in a role he's never been in anywhere? This is exactly why I didn't want Ruff back, he's going to set this franchise back another 5 seasons, he's clearly past his prime.

Who said anything about nostalgia?   I didn’t.  

First you complain about former Sabres in front office positions when the league has several.  Then you complain about former coaches moving to front offices when that is also common. Now it’s nostalgia.  ??? 

Assume that Terry does not clean house, because he isn’t going too. You can continue with Adams working with Terry and the HC reports to Adams, or you can have Adams and Lindy both reporting to and influencing Terry.  To me this is a no brainer.  

Your other choice is to follow another team for now because this is the reality of it.  

[Two or less]

6 hours ago, Brawndo said:

 

I don't think this was a secret. I remember Lindy mentioned he has a direct line with Terry during one of the times he was one with Jeremy White and Joe DiBiasi, maybe during the losing streak.

[GoPuckYourself]

1 hour ago, Pimlach said:

Who said anything about nostalgia?   I didn’t.  

First you complain about former Sabres in front office positions when the league has several.  Then you complain about former coaches moving to front offices when that is also common. Now it’s nostalgia.  ??? 

Assume that Terry does not clean house, because he isn’t going too. You can continue with Adams working with Terry and the HC reports to Adams, or you can have Adams and Lindy both reporting to and influencing Terry.  To me this is a no brainer.  

Your other choice is to follow another team for now because this is the reality of it.  

I said the comment about nostalgia, it wasn't a comment specifically towards you but why else would anyone want Lindy Ruff in a front office move? His best coaching days seem to be clearly be behind him now we will be lead to believe he has an eye for talent? So we want him in the office to remember when times were good isn't that usually how it goes? (Again that may not pertain to you or I but more of an in general)

Aren't those other front office people successful though? 

I follow several teams especially around playoff time since this team clearly has no desire to get there anytime soon. Right now I'm following the Stars and the Jets and I'm sure both will be knocked out so in this case I'll root for anyone against the Panthers as they're really starting to get annoying (probably because I might not be alive before the team ever looks that good).

Edited March 17 by GoPuckYourself