Dahlin Met With GMKA, Turn it Around or He’s Gone

[shrader]

On 3/21/2025 at 11:08 AM, Thorner said:

Makar is absolutely on another level, it’s sort of shocking looking at the D scoring leaders, even. He’s in his own tier, right now.

But I don’t see anyone else definitively between him and Dahlin. Dahlin and Hughes would top the next tier, to me. And I’d say they are at superstar level, tbh.

I don’t mean to take anything away from him, but I’d love to see his offensive numbers on a different team. 

[Thorner]

1 minute ago, shrader said:

I don’t mean to take anything away from him, but I’d love to see his offensive numbers on a different team. 

Fair but Makar is the Guy we need to separate players away, from, to see what they really are. If anyone is The Team there it’s him, he’s the engine + Mack

[shrader]

6 hours ago, Thorner said:

Fair but Makar is the Guy we need to separate players away, from, to see what they really are. If anyone is The Team there it’s him, he’s the engine + Mack

I can’t go there when the other guy is MacKinnon. Call me crazy, but I think he’s the best player in the league today. 

[Thorner]

11 hours ago, shrader said:

I can’t go there when the other guy is MacKinnon. Call me crazy, but I think he’s the best player in the league today. 

Can’t get to the spot where more than one player drives the engine of a team in perception? The only way to actually build a hockey team properly? You are too buffaloed 

we have been here so, so many times. One player doesn’t carry a team. Makar is firmly, firmly among the guys there elevating the whole. “Well I’d like to see him away from a good team”. Why? You’d have to eliminate the competence surrounding every player you’d want to compare them to, too.

“Well I’d really need to see him on a team like Buffalo who doesn’t surround their players properly” is what that sounds like.

”call me crazy, but I’d love to see McDavid without Draisaitl on his team” 

“call me crazy - but I’d love to see Gretzky on a team without multiple hall of time all time players.” Oh, he failed to win a cup without them? Might be something there…looking into it

Edited Sunday at 11:40 AM by Thorner

[Sabres Fan in NS]

Seeing who the source is I doubt the last part to be true.

I think all the players have had such conversations with KA.

I doubt any of them said the 'or I'm gone part'.

Edited Sunday at 11:47 AM by Sabres Fan in NS
more goodly ...

[shrader]

19 hours ago, Thorner said:

Fair but Makar is the Guy we need to separate players away, from, to see what they really are. If anyone is The Team there it’s him, he’s the engine + Mack

 

57 minutes ago, Thorner said:

Can’t get to the spot where more than one player drives the engine of a team in perception? The only way to actually build a hockey team properly? You are too buffaloed 

we have been here so, so many times. One player doesn’t carry a team. Makar is firmly, firmly among the guys there elevating the whole. “Well I’d like to see him away from a good team”. Why? You’d have to eliminate the competence surrounding every player you’d want to compare them to, too.

“Well I’d really need to see him on a team like Buffalo who doesn’t surround their players properly” is what that sounds like.

”call me crazy, but I’d love to see McDavid without Draisaitl on his team” 

“call me crazy - but I’d love to see Gretzky on a team without multiple hall of time all time players.” Oh, he failed to win a cup without them? Might be something there…looking into it

Did you just move the goalposts on me?

[Thorner]

2 minutes ago, shrader said:

 

Did you just move the goalposts on me?

What part? 

[Sidc3000]

57 minutes ago, Sabres Fan in NS said:

Seeing who the source is I doubt the last part to be true.

I think all the players have had such conversations with KA.

I doubt any of them said the 'or I'm gone part'.

It blows my mind that people immediately discount the statement because it’s bissonnette or that Dahlin would never want to leave the Sabres. Ever since Paul made that comment the Sabres and Dahlin have been pushing PR statements on how things are better and everything is fine. He may not have made the exact statement “I’m gone” but I’m sure it was communicated in one way or another. Dahlin is getting into his prime and he won’t want to waste it on an absolute s#itty team at the bottom of the standings. 

Edited Sunday at 12:44 PM by Sidc3000

[LGR4GM]

Just now, Sidc3000 said:

It blows my mind that people immediately discount the statement because it’s bissonnette or that Dahlin would never want to leave the Sabres. Ever since Paul made that comment the Sabres and Dahlin have been pushing PR statements on how things are better and everything is fine. He may not have made the exact statement “I’m gone” but I’m sure it was communicated in one way or another. Dahlin is getting into his prime and he won’t want to waste it on an absolute s#itty ram at the bottom of the standings. 

I don't think it's a coincidence that Terry, who hasn't been around all year and acts like he gives 0 , suddenly is on a western road trip. 

Adams has to go. That coaching staff needs at least half of it replaced and honestly, all of it. The defense needs at least 2 new guys. 

[shrader]

15 minutes ago, shrader said:

 

Did you just move the goalposts on me?

You went from “if one guy is the team” to a “sum of all the parts” argument. 
 

But anyway, when someone says they’ll like to see him without the other good players, it’s not literal. It’s more rhetorical than anything. Obviously you’re not putting any player in a vacuum. He’s damn good, but every player gets inflated a bit with that supporting cast. Having the best forward and the best defenseman. That’s a very nice place to be. 

[Sidc3000]

5 minutes ago, LGR4GM said:

I don't think it's a coincidence that Terry, who hasn't been around all year and acts like he gives 0 , suddenly is on a western road trip. 

Adams has to go. That coaching staff needs at least half of it replaced and honestly, all of it. The defense needs at least 2 new guys. 

Absolutely. Dahlin making comments that they feel like a real team now. That’s all PR garbage to make it look like everything is hunky dory. 
 

the biggest thing that needs to happen is Terry needs to put money back into there organization. A roof and scoreboard isn’t going to help the product on the ice. 

[Thorner]

6 minutes ago, shrader said:

You went from “if one guy is the team” to a “sum of all the parts” argument. 
 

But anyway, when someone says they’ll like to see him without the other good players, it’s not literal. It’s more rhetorical than anything. Obviously you’re not putting any player in a vacuum. He’s damn good, but every player gets inflated a bit with that supporting cast. Having the best forward and the best defenseman. That’s a very nice place to be. 

Right but that’s the saying “if ANYONE is so and so”. My point is that he’s definitely included in the engine of the team, there’s more in that very sentence, can’t leave out the rest of the context: “him + Mack” are what I deemed the engine - more than one guy. To me it’s a two headed monster as the focal point 

Edited Sunday at 12:57 PM by Thorner

[shrader]

12 minutes ago, Thorner said:

Right but that’s the saying “if ANYONE is so and so”. My point is that he’s definitely included in the engine of the team, there’s more in that very sentence, can’t leave out the rest of the context: “him + Mack” are what I deemed the engine - more than one guy. To me it’s a two headed monster as the focal point 

Sorry, I misread that last line. 

[Thorner]

23 minutes ago, shrader said:

You went from “if one guy is the team” to a “sum of all the parts” argument. 
 

But anyway, when someone says they’ll like to see him without the other good players, it’s not literal. It’s more rhetorical than anything. Obviously you’re not putting any player in a vacuum. He’s damn good, but every player gets inflated a bit with that supporting cast. Having the best forward and the best defenseman. That’s a very nice place to be. 

Yes I struggle with interpreting things too literally 

Edited Sunday at 01:13 PM by Thorner

[thewookie1]

I think my Makar comment is a tad misconstrued. I give Makar an edge because of his McDavid-esc speed in comparison to all the other great Dmen. 
 

Id take Dahlin though over anyone else

[bunomatic]

8 hours ago, Sidc3000 said:

Absolutely. Dahlin making comments that they feel like a real team now. That’s all PR garbage to make it look like everything is hunky dory. 
 

the biggest thing that needs to happen is Terry needs to put money back into there organization. A roof and scoreboard isn’t going to help the product on the ice. 

I’m of the opinion that its not going to happen with Terry Pegula as owner. He’s had 14 years. He can’t move forward without tripping over his pride. The man is a moron. KA isn’t going to get it done either. How many more stabs at it does he get ?

[Brawndo]

9 hours ago, LGR4GM said:

I don't think it's a coincidence that Terry, who hasn't been around all year and acts like he gives 0 , suddenly is on a western road trip. 

Adams has to go. That coaching staff needs at least half of it replaced and honestly, all of it. The defense needs at least 2 new guys. 

The early bird deadline for season ticket renewal was Monday the 17th, that probably contributed to him joining the trip

[ska-T Palmtown]

On 3/23/2025 at 7:50 AM, shrader said:

You went from “if one guy is the team” to a “sum of all the parts” argument. 
 

But anyway, when someone says they’ll like to see him without the other good players, it’s not literal. It’s more rhetorical than anything. Obviously you’re not putting any player in a vacuum. He’s damn good, but every player gets inflated a bit with that supporting cast. Having the best forward and the best defenseman. That’s a very nice place to be. 

Not Casey, lol.