Dahlin Met With GMKA, Turn it Around or He’s Gone

[mjd1001]

23 minutes ago, Porous Five Hole said:

From the Sabres on socials 

There is a denial, and there is a strong denial.

That is on the stronger side of denials.

24 minutes ago, dudacek said:

Didn’t Adams say during his presser that he had a long talk with Dahlin at or around the deadline?

I don’t doubt Bisonette was told what he was told, or that Dahlin expressed frustration during that meeting with the state of the team, or that Dahlin is being truthful in his quotes this morning.

Sounds like a bit of game of telephone going on here.

I know 'journalism' is a loose term these days, but if you want to be a credible journalist, you should do a little more verification of your sources.

Getting the soundbite out there though for him is more important than verfication.

[_Q_]

1 minute ago, mjd1001 said:

There is a denial, and there is a strong denial.

That is on the stronger side of denials.

Yep someone just stirring the pot, probably paying someone like Sidc3000 to promote it.

[SwampD]

I ***** hate these stories, and I'm so GD tired of them.

I want out. How can I get out?!

Just ***** figure it out and start winning.

Sell. The. Team.

Edited 18 hours ago by SwampD

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If I were Newport Sports and I were tired of the Sabres tainting the league generally, and specifically reducing flexibility for them (Newport Sports) to conduct their business (trades, UFA contracts), and more specifically impacting the careers of their clients (ie. delaying the most lucrative contracts possible by stunting careers), and, finally, also tired of hearing how unhappy individual clients are, I would plant a rumour just like this with the objectives:

• to get KA to actually do something.
• to embarrass TP so that he does something.
• in the long term to get KA fired hoping that TP will hire someone competent.
• to get the attention of the league so that the league may in some league-way intervene behind the scenes about the tire fire in Buffalo.

Using Dahlin for this tactic is easy because Dahlin has his contract.

Edited 18 hours ago by ...
If the Sabres lost Dahlin, woe be to KA and TP

[HOUSE]

Topps has 18 XL eggs for $1.99 but you have to run over there RIGHT AWAY ....The hoarders will get them all.

 

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Edited 14 hours ago by HOUSE

[LGR4GM]

12 minutes ago, HOUSE said:

Topps has 18 XL eggs for $1.99 but you have to run over there RIGHT NOW !

yea XL cadbury eggs maybe. 

[Doohicksie]

2 hours ago, LTS said:

Dahlin has zero leverage. He's under contract until 2032.

He could hold out.  Not for more money, for a better team.  If the Sabres want to play hardball they can terminate his contract and he'll become a free agent and can play wherever he wants.

[PerreaultForever]

1 hour ago, Brawndo said:

Dahlin angrily denies the Spittin Chiclets  “report”… “I don’t know what he’s talking about. I have never said I want out of here. I’m not happy where we’re at. I don’t want to lose. We have to get better. I never said I want out of here.” #Sabres

That’s from Harrington 

and as he's the captain and the meeting was in private of course he'd denied it. That is hockey 101 these days for anyone who is a true pro. Agents however like to leak information to podcasters to fertilize the ground for future events. Get the ball rolling so to speak. That's hockey business 101 these days. 

Logic says of course this happened and of course he has said it. Wouldn't you? Anyone here who wouldn't? Now I don't know if the new guy bump will continue with Cozens or if he will be good in Ottawa long term or eventually drop back but they always told us the Sabres were a close group and they are all friends so you know that Cozens has talked to them in DM and he's telling people how great it is and how he's feeling the love and every one of them is thinking I want some of that. The losing kills. They lose their love. It's the same stuff all over again.

Now the neck thing muddied the water but I remember Eichel trade rumors and talk of Eichel wanting out if things didn't change before as well and they got generally dismissed as empty rumors but you can see the similarities. The more guys that do well when they leave the more guys here that will want out. If Jokiharju succeeds in Boston they might ALL want out. 

What will likely happen? Hate to say it but KA will bungle the off season, team will miss again and he will then be fired. New guy will say he has to start again with players that want to be there. Even if he's competent he will know he can't do it instantly so he will tear down again and Dahlin will be moved out just like Eichel and Reinhart and Risto when Adams took over. I wondered then if Dahlin should have gone (not because he was bad) because maybe he already had too much of the losing stink on him and maybe that would have been the better idea because I think it likely his patience is gone, just like mine and probably yours and everyone else's here. 

[LTS]

1 hour ago, Sidc3000 said:

Eichel’s neck injury was just dumb luck for Adams. He was able to use that as an excuse to trade him. Jack wanted out before the end of the prior season. 

Yes, he did want out. He had quit on the team because he's jack ass.  I am quite familiar with Eichel's shenanigans.

That said, none of us can talk about when or what trade could have happened without the neck injury because that never happened.  It certainly provided a means for moving a player who was a detriment to the team.  So, at the time I was very much F Jack Eichel and I remain firmly in F Jack Eichel camp.  I would feel the same about Dahlin should he go the same route.

 

[Mango]

2 hours ago, LTS said:

First.. the source. 

Second.. the "threat".  Dahlin has zero leverage. He's under contract until 2032.

Third.. yeah, turn it around. At least we all agree on something.

End summation: Nothing to see here. I'll put money on Bissonette trying to sow seeds of discourse.  He's an NHL shock jock, and not a good one.

Adams has done nothing but ship guys out who want a trade, so why not ask for it?

I don't know how Terry cannot fire Adams. The city HATES GMKA. His last two pressers were embarassing. The team blows, now it's rumored that "the core" are asking to leave.

This isn't an Eichel/Reinhardt issue where the players are toxic. Dahlin hasn't just been a good soldier he's been a great soldier.

The call is coming from inside the house Terry.

[Sidc3000]

1 hour ago, shrader said:

Do you actually read this stuff before you hit submit? The neck injury that lowered his trade value was dumb luck?

Maybe dumb luck wasn’t the best words. It worked out in Adam’s favor so he didn’t have a revolt for just up and trading him for no reason.
 

Edited 17 hours ago by Sidc3000

[Sidc3000]

48 minutes ago, Mango said:

This isn't an Eichel/Reinhardt issue where the players are toxic

It could get that way. How come you don’t hear about Eichel or Reinhardt being toxic on the teams now? Could they just have been toxic because they wanted out and made it known?

 

as time goes on, I believe it was the front office that’s toxic more the the players. They were miserable playing on a team that was spinning their wheels in dead last. 

Edited 16 hours ago by Sidc3000

[Sidc3000]

1 hour ago, LTS said:

Yes, he did want out. He had quit on the team because he's jack ass.  I am quite familiar with Eichel's shenanigans.

That said, none of us can talk about when or what trade could have happened without the neck injury because that never happened.  It certainly provided a means for moving a player who was a detriment to the team.  So, at the time I was very much F Jack Eichel and I remain firmly in F Jack Eichel camp.  I would feel the same about Dahlin should he go the same route.

 

So you think great players should just shut up and let the management mismanage them? Jack knew the team was going nowhere and his talent was being wasted. I’m sure he hated every second of being on the Sabres the last few seasons.
 

if you hated where you worked, would you go to work everyday happy go lucky?  

Edited 16 hours ago by Sidc3000

[Sidc3000]

1 hour ago, _Q_ said:

Yep someone just stirring the pot, probably paying someone like Sidc3000 to promote it.

I wish.
 

It blows my mind that some can’t believe that he could have said it.  even after his strong denial I still believe that’s a possibility. 

[That Aud Smell]

2 hours ago, mjd1001 said:

He seems more like a guy who likes to scream and yell on the set when he is on TV, he's the attention getter, the token Leafs fan on the broadcast.  

2 hours ago, EM88 said:

I would give this story a lot of attention if it came from one of the more reputable insiders.

What kind of connections or what kind of journalistic legwork does he do that others do not so he is the one breaking this?

I listen to the Chiclets guys occasionally. And I get a regular dose of Biz on the Pardon My Take pod.

I like Biz. He's a character. A goof. He's funny. He can talk the paint off a barn. And he knows hockey. And he loves the game.

Another thing I will say about him and Ryan Whitney: They have legitimate league sources. They're not the same kind of sources that "legitimate insiders" have (agents, mostly -- some FO people). Rather, the Chiclets guys are plugged in on the players' side of things. That's a fact.

2 hours ago, dudacek said:

Didn’t Adams say during his presser that he had a long talk with Dahlin at or around the deadline?

I don’t doubt Bisonette was told what he was told, or that Dahlin expressed frustration during that meeting with the state of the team, or that Dahlin is being truthful in his quotes this morning.

Sounds like a bit of game of telephone going on here.

This is my read as well.

1 hour ago, pi2000 said:

fwiw a close friend of mine who played with him in Sweden has told me the same thing... actually i'm mildly surprised it's taken this long for this info to get out. 

Hmm. Interesting.

I've also heard this third-hand from a friend who used to work in Pegulaville.

As @Stoner suggested: This may more be Dahlin's effort to get Adams fired and to get Pegula to spend more money on coaches, etc.

[Carmel Corn]

3 hours ago, Stoner said:

Dahlin putting pressure on TP, not really on KA?

Dahlin knows who the actual GM of this team is (TP).  KA is just the muppet puppet and Pegula is operating from below….hidden out of the public view.

[North Buffalo]

3 hours ago, thewookie1 said:

 

I don't put much trust in anything Bissonette says; I can understand Dahlin getting agitated though.

https://www.facebook.com/share/v/19yhL5WtBq/?mibextid=wwXIfr

[That Aud Smell]

Just now, That Aud Smell said:

Another thing I will say about him and Ryan Whitney: They have legitimate league sources. They're not the same kind of sources that "legitimate insiders" have (agents, mostly -- some FO people). Rather, the Chiclets guys are plugged in on the players' side of things. That's a fact.

Amending this to add: I think the Chiclets guys' sources are strictly North Americans guys. So I tended to doubt this when I first heard it. Like, how would Biz know what Dahlin was saying? But to @dudacek's theory on the "telephone game," the source here is probably a North American player who's relating what he heard/understood about the meeting.

[K-9]

1 hour ago, Doohicksie said:

He could hold out.  Not for more money, for a better team.  If the Sabres want to play hardball they can terminate his contract and he'll become a free agent and can play wherever he wants.

He doesn’t get paid if he doesn’t play and the Sabres don’t have to terminate his contract and let him become a free agent. 

[LGR4GM]

What a nothing burger this is

[Sidc3000]

Just now, LGR4GM said:

What a nothing burger this is

Time will tell if this is a nothing burger. If they miraculously become a playoff team next season, it’s a nothing burger. If they stay in the bottom of the league in the next couple seasons, this will turn out to be truth. 

[Pimlach]

4 hours ago, LTS said:

First.. the source. 

Second.. the "threat".  Dahlin has zero leverage. He's under contract until 2032.

Third.. yeah, turn it around. At least we all agree on something.

End summation: Nothing to see here. I'll put money on Bissonette trying to sow seeds of discourse.  He's an NHL shock jock, and not a good one.

The source is no worse than many of the others, Biz is connected.  Shock jock or not.  

The threat - ROR had a contract.   Eichel had a contract.   Dahlin has a contract.  Dahlin has the same leverage that ROR and Eichel had.  

All Dahlin has to do is say something that Terry doesn't like, which is easy to do,  and he will be shipped out.   

"Wanting to be here" is most important to Terry and Kevyn.  Dahlin just has to say and act like he wants out, there is tremendous precedent that says his request will be granted.  

[SabresVet]

4 hours ago, jad1 said:

Probably similar to conversations Adams had with Eichel back in the day.

Sequence seems to go like this.

1. Star player signs big contract.

2. Teams keeps losing. 

3. Star player makes it known he doesn't want to keep losing.

4. Team keeps losing.

5. Player makes trade demand.

6. Terry is offended and sends Kevyn out to say he wants players who want to be here.

7. Player gets traded and is blamed for not wanting to be in Buffalo.  

We're at step 3 right now.  Step 4 probably happens next season.  And it's Terry's fault for being a loser of an owner.  

[Mango]

1 hour ago, Sidc3000 said:

It could get that way. How come you don’t hear about Eichel or Reinhardt being toxic on the teams now? Could they just have been toxic because they wanted out and made it known?

 

as time goes on, I believe it was the front office that’s toxic more the the players. They were miserable playing on a team that was spinning their wheels in dead last. 

I met a guy who used to do regular bidding on players for a charity he worked with. He said he got Eichel and Reinhardt for a kids event at a bowling alley and they were rude, flippant, arrogant, and spent less than 10 minutes with the kids. 

He mentioned he had been doing this for like 20 years and had never had one issue with any other players.

Maybe they grew up? Maybe it is the org or the city? But if you can't put on a smile for some sick kids WTF?

[Sidc3000]

11 minutes ago, Mango said:

I met a guy who used to do regular bidding on players for a charity he worked with. He said he got Eichel and Reinhardt for a kids event at a bowling alley and they were rude, flippant, arrogant, and spent less than 10 minutes with the kids. 

He mentioned he had been doing this for like 20 years and had never had one issue with any other players.

Maybe they grew up? Maybe it is the org or the city? But if you can't put on a smile for some sick kids WTF?

Oh I agree, that’s BS.