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Sabres Trade Dylan Cozens/Dennis Gilbert and 2026 2nd Round Pick to Ottawa for Josh Norris and Bernard Docker

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Just now, Scottysabres said:

So, after reading the responses to this trade so far, did we get the better player?

Cozens definitely under performed here after that 30 goal season. Was it system? Was it the jaw incident? I don’t know, but he’s showed no signs of returning to form imo.

Both teams are buying a lottery ticket. Ottawa at least got the extra 2nd.

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11 minutes ago, PromoTheRobot said:

Pronman graded the Byrum- Mittelstadt trade an A+ for Colorado.

At the time, Colorado needed a 2C and had redundant defensive depth in Byram. This season, Mitts appeared to collapse under the pressure (not all that surprising) and got the raw end of the deal with the injuries early in the season (MacKinnon/Rantanen/Makar were on the ice together and everyone else got AHL-level players) with their inept goaltending. It was an A+ move for the wrong player.

1 hour ago, Jorcus said:

According to Cap wages Cozens is on Long Term Injured reserve. 

Seems like they applied Bernard-Docker's data to Cozens. JBD is just about due to come back from his high ankle sprain and was on LTIR with the Sens.

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8 minutes ago, Weave said:

The outside world all seem to feel that Ott got the better of this deal?

Gives me reason for concern.

Some of that is likely just piling on a losing franchise because it’s easy. “All they do is lose and they lost this too”. 

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10 minutes ago, Weave said:

The outside world all seem to feel that Ott got the better of this deal?

Gives me reason for concern.

History dictates that ex-Sabres do better when they leave, so that is concerning.  However, I listened to a lot of outsider pundits who seem to think Cozens is a good center and a fighter….which he hasn’t shown all season.

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13 minutes ago, Weave said:

The outside world all seem to feel that Ott got the better of this deal?

Gives me reason for concern.

Because they're only looking at Cozens offense. They seem to be ignoring that for ever goal Cozens gets 5v5, he allows 1.25 the other way. It's like saying 5+x=0 and only being excited about the 5

3 minutes ago, Carmel Corn said:

History dictates that ex-Sabres do better when they leave, so that is concerning.  However, I listened to a lot of outsider pundits who seem to think Cozens is a good center and a fighter….which he hasn’t shown all season.

Yup, there is a lot of "big guy, tough,  skates great, nice shot, will be back to his 30g and 70pt pace, Buffalo is stupid" without anyone seemingly looking at the defensive metrics for Cozens which are terrible. 

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Just now, Night Train said:

 His scouting report on NHLN by the talking heads yesterday is straight out of bizarro world. 

 The polar opposite of what actual fans of the team view.  

  A gamble trade by both teams. 

What was that? Do you remember?

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47 minutes ago, PromoTheRobot said:

Pronman graded the Byrum- Mittelstadt trade an A+ for Colorado.

It was a year ago, so I understand the memory-fog on this.  But, Pronman didn't grade Colorado an A+ on that deal.

The Athletic typically has two writers grade a trade.  The writer who gave Colorado an A+ on the Byram/Mittelstadt trade was Duhatschek; he gave Buffalo a B.

Pronman gave Colorado a B-, and the Sabres a B+.  He correctly identified, I think, that Byram is the better player.  His trade grade was close, on my read, because he thought Colorado was getting what they needed in the moment and because Byram's injury history made him a riskier acquisition (than Mittelstadt).  

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1 minute ago, Archie Lee said:

It was a year ago, so I understand the memory-fog on this.  But, Pronman didn't grade Colorado an A+ on that deal.

The Athletic typically has two writers grade a trade.  The writer who gave Colorado an A+ on the Byram/Mittelstadt trade was Duhatschek; he gave Buffalo a B.

Pronman gave Colorado a B-, and the Sabres a B+.  He correctly identified, I think, that Byram is the better player.  His trade grade was close, on my read, because he thought Colorado was getting what they needed in the moment and because Byram's injury history made him a riskier acquisition (than Mittelstadt).  

You're right. I mixed the two writers up.

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49 minutes ago, LGR4GM said:

What was that? Do you remember?

They insinuated he was a rugged 2 way fighting center great at defense - none of which had been true for 2+ years obviously. A lot of narratives not based in reality I mean for gods sake kotakiemi kicked his butt in a fight which is just embarrassing 

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1 hour ago, Scottysabres said:

So, after reading the responses to this trade so far, did we get the better player?

Cozens definitely under performed here after that 30 goal season. Was it system? Was it the jaw incident? I don’t know, but he’s showed no signs of returning to form imo.

I haven’t heard it anywhere but I always felt Quinn & Peterka were largely responsible for Dylan’s offensive success.  Maybe it’s not the case but seeing every player buoyed that’s paired with Dahlin made me think of it.  Samuelsson and Joker both have Dahlin to thanks for their modicum of success at the NHL level.  It wouldn’t surprise me if it’s was similar with Cozens and his two former linemates. 

1 hour ago, GASabresIUFAN said:

I named him Howdy Doody.

 

Don’t hurt your elbow patting yourself on the back 

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1 hour ago, Carmel Corn said:

History dictates that ex-Sabres do better when they leave, so that is concerning.  However, I listened to a lot of outsider pundits who seem to think Cozens is a good center and a fighter….which he hasn’t shown all season.

Lots of outsiders and pundits believe in the “concept of Cozens”.  I am shocked at how bad he has played this season, he was even worse than last season.   

He is mentally fragile right now and he was completely disengaged from the team in the last game against Tampa.  The responsibility put on him as a core player, with a big contract, and with an “A” on the sweater was too much for him.  

He will probably be a better player for Ottawa. That seems to be the trend. 

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1 hour ago, Weave said:

The outside world all seem to feel that Ott got the better of this deal?

Gives me reason for concern.

It’s only because of the injury concerns for Norris and a wild misconception around the league about Cozens on ice ability.  He’s literally not good at anything.  Norris bests him in every way. 

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1 minute ago, inkman said:

It’s only because of the injury concerns for Norris and a wild misconception around the league about Cozens on ice ability.  He’s literally not good at anything.  Norris bests him in every way. 

Not in retrievals. You don't want him digging pucks out of the corner. But that's about it. It's really an interesting trade. 

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5 minutes ago, Pimlach said:

Lots of outsiders and pundits believe in the “concept of Cozens”.  I am shocked at how bad he has played this season, he was even worse than last season.   

He is mentally fragile right now and he was completely disengaged from the team in the last game against Tampa.  The responsibility put on him as a core player, with a big contract, and with an “A” on the sweater was too much for him.  

He will probably be a better player for Ottawa. That seems to be the trend. 

I agree with all of this.  I also think that in Buffalo he was carrying the additional weight of being one of the few players who would stand up for a teammate.  I realize the last game he played as a Sabre has clouded that a bit, but the reality is that Cozens was one of the few who would step up.  Further, willing as he is, he's not a great fighter.  I think his playing style may have been neutered, to a degree, by the realization that nobody was coming to his rescue (I think this is true for many of our players actually). 

I'm expecting a short-term bump from Cozens.  I'm not making predictions on his ability to sustain it though.  He will have more teammates in Ottawa who will drag him into the fight though, and more that he can drag with him too.

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2 minutes ago, LGR4GM said:

Not in retrievals. You don't want him digging pucks out of the corner. But that's about it. It's really an interesting trade. 

 

I for one really like this trade.  I am an optimist by nature and see the good in things before the bad, and I am aware of this blind spot.

However, before the trade I really wanted to see Cozens at wing as I just didn't see the reclamation project being successful at center.  The big problem with that is it was going to create a huge gaping hole down the spine with no immediate obvious solution.

Now we have an upgraded spine, and IMO a better roster construction.  We have similar C's in Tage, Kulich and Norris and as people have to move up and down the lineup the style of play should be a little more congruent, with some additional position flexibility.

This I like

Peterka-Kulich-Thompson

Benson-Norris-Tuch

Quinn-McLeod-Zucker

Malenstyn-Krebs-Greenway

 

Maybe Rosen is ready?

Peterka-Thompson-Tuch

Benson-Norris-Quinn

Zucker-Kulich-Rosen

Malenstyn/Krebs-McLeod-Greenway

 

Both of these options for 2025/26 look like an upgraded baseline for next season and we get to let Östlund/Helenius and maybe Rosen cook another year in the AHL.

I also expect Quinn, after a full healthy offseason of lower body training to come back with a vengence.

 

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Just now, Brawndo said:

FWIW Tampa’s Offer for Tuch was 1st and 4th.

 

That is a terrible offer?   

My counter would be Point for Tuch.  The call could end quickly and that’s ok. 
 
The Sabres don’t need futures.  Tampa was counting (hoping) on Adams to continue stockpiling picks and prospects while they focus on winning now.  

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