Sabres Trade Dylan Cozens/Dennis Gilbert and 2026 2nd Round Pick to Ottawa for Josh Norris and Bernard Docker

[LGR4GM]

assess

1 minute ago, Thorner said:

as*ess being blocked is funny 

 

[Thorner]

Assess 

*****

Maybe I left off the second S 

[Thorner]

Anyways it’s an organization full of assess if they run it back 

[HumanSlinky39]

His last 10 games in OTT:

0 Goals, 4 Assists, -4

I've watched chunks of 2 of their games in that period, the same issues we saw here a recurring there.

It's looking less like a Cozens/Sabres problem and more like a Dylan Cozens problem.

[Weave]

47 minutes ago, Thorner said:

Assess 

*****

Maybe I left off the second S 

Dumb assess.  Allaya

[MattPie]

13 minutes ago, Weave said:

Dumb assess.  Allaya

[dudacek]

1 hour ago, Thorner said:

I don’t think so. It’s pretty close to 22-23 cozens considering how wonky plus minus is 

you arbitrarily chose the 11 game framing to begin with. 

 

17gp 3G 7A 10P -2 

Is not far from 22-23 cozens to my eye. Granted he’d need more like 13 points instead of 10. But considering sample size i see their framing as generous but not egregious 

I was reacting to a weekly power ranking designed to talk about current trends

The Athletic: 'Ottawa seems to have traded for the 2023 version of Cozens'

• That Cozens put up 31 goals and 68 points.
• Cozens had produced at a 14-goal, 48-point pace at that point as a Senator
• Cozens produced at 15-goal 41-point pace this year as a Sabre
• Cozens was producing at a 7-goal, 35-assist pace over the previous 2-3 weeks as a Senator

The Athletic statement would have held water for the first week or so of Cozens Ottawa stint, but it was not near the truth for his body of work as a whole, and it was blatantly false in terms of 'what have you done for me lately.'

They weren't framing things in a different way, they were wrong.

[Thorner]

7 minutes ago, dudacek said:

I was reacting to a weekly power ranking designed to talk about current trends

The Athletic: 'Ottawa seems to have traded for the 2023 version of Cozens'

• That Cozens put up 31 goals and 68 points.
• Cozens had produced at a 14-goal, 48-point pace at that point as a Senator
• Cozens produced at 15-goal 41-point pace this year as a Sabre
• Cozens was producing at a 7-goal, 35-assist pace over the previous 2-3 weeks as a Senator

The Athletic statement would have held water for the first week or so of Cozens Ottawa stint, but it was not near the truth for his body of work as a whole, and it was blatantly false in terms of 'what have you done for me lately.'

They weren't framing things in a different way, they were wrong.

Ya I mean 11 games doesn’t fit the weekly designator, either - you still picked the total. 

imo his entire tenure there falls under “current”. Sample size is still tiny 

I’m not saying they are “right”, just that they aren’t focusing on all of the same metrics as you. Just today i was listening to the tsn beat reporter on tv talking about how cozens has had a “transformational”‘presence as evidenced in the record. They are using a lot of the “workhorse” terminology we used to: that’s probably the “2023” they are referring to: we used to attribute a ton to the effort cozens was putting on display “future leader” etc etc. 2023 was the vibes year. They are proclaiming that “energy” is there from DC

Edited April 9 by Thorner

[dudacek]

8 minutes ago, Thorner said:

Ya I mean 11 games doesn’t fit the weekly designator, either - you still picked the total. 

imo his entire tenure there falls under “current”. Sample size is still tiny 

I’m not saying they are “right”, I just like to argue

 

 

 

 

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[ska-T Palmtown]

2 hours ago, dudacek said:

 

 

 

 

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Arguing on the internet with people who are very likely complete strangers is every person's god-given right! 😉 

[Doohickie]

16 hours ago, Thorner said:

Assess 

*****

Maybe I left off the second S 

Ass.

[Thorner]

***** is blocked tho 

Try it 

[LGR4GM]

Dylan Cozens sh% has regressed as predicted. He was at 25% at one point in Ottawa and has plummeted to 8.7% and his career sh% is 9.9%

On 3/28/2025 at 10:15 AM, LGR4GM said:

Cozens sh% in Ottawa has already started the regression. He was up around 22% at one point and has dropped back to 11%

Sorry it was 22% not 25%

[WhenWillItEnd66]

Looking like a great trade for us. I think Doker for Cozens was a fair trade and we get another goal scored (ThaT is hurt alot) I am ok with that as long as he tallies 25+ goals next year

[DarthEbriate]

43 minutes ago, WhenWillItEnd66 said:

Looking like a great trade for us. I think Doker for Cozens was a fair trade and we get another goal scored (ThaT is hurt alot) I am ok with that as long as he tallies 25+ goals next year

I think you're thinking Norris instead of Docker...  otherwise, I think you're going to be sorely disappointed when Docker scores goal number 25 in...  2031.

[mjd1001]

4 hours ago, WhenWillItEnd66 said:

Looking like a great trade for us. I think Doker for Cozens was a fair trade and we get another goal scored (ThaT is hurt alot) I am ok with that as long as he tallies 25+ goals next year

I just don't see Bernard-Docker as anything good. Maybe he can still develop?  I know some on this board like that he plays a bit physical, but I just don't (yet) see him as anything other than a borderline NHL D-man.

I still like the trade.  For Ottawa, I saw a fan characterize the deal in a way that might be true for them (the Senators).  A healthy Norris is better than Cozens, but a healthy Cozens is better than an often injured Norris.

For the Sabres, I'm just glad, regardless of the return, the minutes Cozens was getting are going to other players.  Kulich getting minutes in place of Cozens (with some extra minutes going to Krebs and McLeod), is just fine.  My personal opinion is the Sabres are slightly better with those 3 guys getting more minute and not having Cozens take minutes away from them at all.

As for Norris?  I'm hopeful he is going to be a major part of this team.  For the contract, he needs to be.

[Mr Peabody]

I’d like to see two big physical D men brought in which would likely require Byram going out.  Question:  could JBD hold the fort on PP2 if Power misses time at the beginning of next season?

 

My thinking is I’d be less afraid of that than going into next season without the 2 D men I feel we need. 

Edited 4 hours ago by Mr Peabody

[LGR4GM]

32 minutes ago, Mr Peabody said:

I’d like to see two big physical D men brought in which would likely require Byram going out.  Question:  could JBD hold the fort on PP2 if Power misses time at the beginning of next season?

 

My thinking is I’d be less afraid of that than going into next season without the 2 D men I feel we need. 

Nope

[WhenWillItEnd66]

JBD is a solid 4-6 dman. He has played good for us since he started playing. Straight forward no nonsense dman. We just need a bit better one of him for the top 4 that can clear a crease 

[mjd1001]

So, now its the playoffs for Cozens, something he obviously never got here.  He has a chance to show if he is a 'playoff' guy or not.

As far as the regular season, with 20 games with Ottawa...he basically was close to the same guy he was here.

With Ottawa:

-20 games, 4 goals, 9 assists, -4, 8.7% shooting (82 game pace: 16 goals, 37 assists, -16)

-His advanced stats slightly negative.  50 being equal: Corsi  44.0, Fenwick 44.8, Shots 46.7, Goals for/against 44.0, Scoring chances 41.6, High danger chances 43.8 Link here: https://www.naturalstattrick.com/playerteams.php?fromseason=20242025&thruseason=20242025&stype=2&sit=5v5&score=all&stdoi=oi&rate=n&team=OTT&pos=C&loc=B&toi=0&gpfilt=none&fd=&td=&tgp=410&lines=single&draftteam=ALL

David Perron was Cozens linemate he spent the most time with since the trade (almost 180 minutes). Cozens brought Perrons analytics way down compared to before Cozens was there. With Cozens, Perrons Corsi went down almost 8 points, his fenwick down almost 8 points, shots for vs against down 5.5, scoring chances down 5.5, high danger chances even.  

Again, its no mystery that I personally wanted Cozens gone.  But, again, playoffs for him. A couple well timed goals and an upset over the Leafs and he may be viewed as a different player.

Edited 1 hour ago by mjd1001

[DarthEbriate]

Cool thing for Cozens is he gets to experience playoff hockey and learn how to play with a gear and intensity his previous team never gave itself the opportunity to do. He’ll be a better player for it. How much better? That’s for another few years to determine.