Sabres Trade Dylan Cozens/Dennis Gilbert and 2026 2nd Round Pick to Ottawa for Josh Norris and Bernard Docker

[mjd1001]

2 minutes ago, matter2003 said:

We have scored the most goals per game over the last 30 games in the entire NHL at 3.43 and are 8th overall this season at 3.18(fractionally away from top 5).  How are they scoring all these goals if nobody is creating them?  SOMEONE has to be creating them.  

Tage's elite shot and ability to get off shots with his reach that few in the NHL can do.  Sure, its only about 15% of the Sabres goals, but Tage might 'creat' his own goals as good as anyone else in the league right now.

Edited Friday at 04:44 PM by mjd1001

[Palm Trees And Taxes]

I am lukewarm on this deal.

But as we found out: When you are the worst organization in the sport, and you are searching for answers: Beggars cannot be choosers.

Norris has flaws, but interesting upside too.

Money almost matches up. Its a risk, but this organization is forced to take chances like this now, because they PUT themselves in this position in the first place.

[Thorner]

13 minutes ago, That Aud Smell said:

i never know what these mean.

He’s fine. The trade is fine. It’s probably the biggest move we see before puck drops 25-26

Edited Friday at 04:44 PM by Thorner

[That Aud Smell]

Just now, Standing Room Smoking Cigs said:

Bye Bye the "Workhorse from Whitehorse" (always hated that Dunleavy line).

i don't think Dunleavy coined it.

[matter2003]

1 minute ago, Thorner said:

Dahlin? 

Power...favorite whipping boy but one of the best play starters from his own zone in the NHL and has been since his rookie year.

[thewookie1]

Just now, That Aud Smell said:

i don't think Dunleavy coined it.

Ray Ferraro started it in the WJC

[HumanSlinky39]

At face value, this is simply a trade of a couple of very similar players that probably needed a change of scenery. I don't think it moves the needle in either direction for either team. My concern is Norris's injury history. And this is the Sabres, so more likely than not Cozens goes to Ottawa and rediscovers his 2022/23 form while Norris appears in about 35% of the Sabres games because of injuries. The defenseman is a JAG.

 

Hopefully I'm wrong, but I don't think so.

Edited Friday at 04:46 PM by HumanSlinky39

[Standing Room Smoking Cigs]

Just now, That Aud Smell said:

i don't think Dunleavy coined it.

Lord knows he said it a lot

[#freejame]

I’ll be shocked if Cozens doesn’t immediately play better not being asked to to things he’s not meant to do. 70pt year playing with Tkachuk next season and Ottawa in the playoffs before us. 

Even if Norris is better for us than Cozens is now, I don’t see how Ottawa doesn’t come out of this far ahead of us. 

[Brawndo]

2 minutes ago, mjd1001 said:

I think people in Ottawa, and the Canadian 'experts' are doing what most people do when they don't get to see a player play ever single game.

They look at the stats, they look at the 'best year' as a ceiling that can be reached again, and they look at what the draft profile was of the player.

What they don't see with Cozens, not because they don't know hockey but because they don't watch him every game....are all the little things he is so bad at.

Cozens around the league is known as a 31 goal scorer, top 10 pick, 6'3" tall guy who throws checks into the corner, and a player 'stuck' on a bad team like the Sabres.  Initial evaluations of this trade are going to be Ottawa got a guy who is back on his way to be a star. Its not because its necessarily true, its because that is how fans and media view things.

Cozens Metrics are not in the same universe as Eichel, Reinhart or ROR when they were traded 

[elijah]

4 minutes ago, Rasmus_ said:

Look at all the graphics you want, this is a reactionary trade, made by a GM who has no clue, and is further sinking the Sabres into a downard cycle.  Come June, we'll all be calling for Adams head.  Norris doesn't move the needle and defensively he's worse.  If availability is the name of the game, you worsened your team. Bernard Docker is a bust, and nothing of note. 

This is not true

[LGR4GM]

 

[Thorner]

6 minutes ago, SabresVet said:

Funny how a GM who signed Cozens to a big contract now has to unload him and gets to negotiate the return.  

If only the Sabres were a real organization that held GM's accountable.   

 

 

Such a good point

he’s dealing the guy he overpaid 

[Palm Trees And Taxes]

So will Norris be the top line center now with Tage?

[Thorner]

4 minutes ago, mjd1001 said:

I think people in Ottawa, and the Canadian 'experts' are doing what most people do when they don't get to see a player play ever single game.

They look at the stats, they look at the 'best year' as a ceiling that can be reached again, and they look at what the draft profile was of the player.

What they don't see with Cozens, not because they don't know hockey but because they don't watch him every game....are all the little things he is so bad at.

Cozens around the league is known as a 31 goal scorer, top 10 pick, 6'3" tall guy who throws checks into the corner, and a player 'stuck' on a bad team like the Sabres.  Initial evaluations of this trade are going to be Ottawa got a guy who is back on his way to be a star. Its not because its necessarily true, its because that is how fans and media view things.

Yep, happening both ways 

[LGR4GM]

Just now, Palm Trees And Taxes said:

So will Norris be the top line center now with Tage?

Unlikely. You want Norris shooting.

[matter2003]

2 minutes ago, #freejame said:

I’ll be shocked if Cozens doesn’t immediately play better not being asked to to things he’s not meant to do. 70pt year playing with Tkachuk next season and Ottawa in the playoffs before us. 

Even if Norris is better for us than Cozens is now, I don’t see how Ottawa doesn’t come out of this far ahead of us. 

I wouldn't...he is a mentally weak player on a team with far too many of them.  Gotta start getting rid of these players.

[inkman]

4 minutes ago, That Aud Smell said:

this does not seem possible.

Because it’s not true 

[Standing Room Smoking Cigs]

We are seeing a power shift, Lindy knows Buffalo and now he is going to push his moves, Adams is cooked. Thank you

[Sidc3000]

😂

 

[Brawndo]

17 minutes ago, That Aud Smell said:

i never know what these mean.

 

17 minutes ago, LGR4GM said:

eh, hes fine?

He is getting better with more minutes this year, hopefully it continues 

[Palm Trees And Taxes]

1 minute ago, LGR4GM said:

Unlikely. You want Norris shooting.

So wait Norris will be a wing?

[Thorner]

1 minute ago, Palm Trees And Taxes said:

So wait Norris will be a wing?

Just a poor match with Tage

[DarthEbriate]

4 minutes ago, LGR4GM said:

 

[LGR4GM]

2 minutes ago, Brawndo said:

 

He is getting better with more minutes this year, hopefully it continues 

Would rather have Jordan Spence