Peterka to the Rangers?

[_Q_]

1 minute ago, LGR4GM said:

What a strange response 

Sorry you are having a bad year.

[K-9]

As I said in another thread, the minimum return for JJ must be a top 2nd pair RH D who can move up to first pair in a pinch when needed. The Rangers can’t satisfy that requirement. But KA will certainly settle for less. I don’t give a crap if JJ wants out or not, he’s a valuable asset that we control for the next several years. He can continue to play well for us as he auditions for impresses potential trade partners in the future. 

[inkman]

8 hours ago, dudacek said:

The best reason for trading Peterka would be the return. 

Unlike most Sabres his value is at its apex. Unlike most Sabres the return for him might actually help.

Also, he’s the best of the bunch, but JJ is also the type of player - smallish quick, skilled, defensively poor winger - we have too many of.

So yes, culture change.

Now if only I trusted Adams to get the proper return

I’m glad someone said it. JJ’s defense is comically poor. No interest in putting the effort in to play defense.  He’s a wonderful offensive player but let’s not act like he doesn’t have warts. 

[Pimlach]

1 hour ago, The Jokeman said:

and as a RFA we have the right of first refusal. Again it makes little sense to move him unless as eluded he looking for too much money or has expressed that he doesn't want to be here. 

1 hour ago, Carmel Corn said:

My money is on the latter….GMKA may want him here, but JJP doesn’t….so Adams only wants guys who want to be in Buffalo.

57 minutes ago, LGR4GM said:

It's actually one of the dumbest parts of Adams. Now all you have do is say "I don't want to be here" and poof! You're out. 

 

This "want to be here" stuff has to be eradicated from the culture.  Every player brought in should be expected to provide 100% effort and loyalty to the team to make the team successful.  Players that do not do that are currently being rewarded with this stupid "want to be here" policy.   If Peterka gets traded for this reason, even it is just one factor in the reason to trade him,  then it really is making the Sabres an NHL farm team under Adams.  

Think of the worst performing franchises ever - Seals, Barons/Rockies/Scouts, Flames/Thrashers, Coyotes, and the Sabres. 

Think of the least desirable geographical destinations. 

Did any of them ever have a strategy like this?  I don't think I ever heard these words before from any franchise going back over 55 years. 

Adams thinks he is creating unity but all he did is make the players think they are doing us a favor by signing to play for the team.   

Recall when Granato told the Buffalo media "some of these players signed long tern deals to be here" when asked about the booing at HSBC.  That was just days before Boston got booed and both Marchand and their coach said the Boston fans are right and the team deserved it.   

[LGR4GM]

49 minutes ago, _Q_ said:

delicious 

 

45 minutes ago, _Q_ said:

Sorry you are having a bad year.

Yet you responded "delicious" 

Thank you though, my father broke his hip so it has been a bit of a long year.

[_Q_]

6 minutes ago, LGR4GM said:

 

Yet you responded "delicious" 

Thank you though, my father broke his hip so it has been a bit of a long year.

Prayers for the both of ya.

[LGR4GM]

1 minute ago, _Q_ said:

Prayers for the both of ya.

He's doing pretty good with PT and OT but stressed my mom out a bunch. 

[Believer]

2 hours ago, LGR4GM said:

It's actually one of the dumbest parts of Adams. Now all you have do is say "I don't want to be here" and poof! You're out. 

Think Adams imagined he was creating a dynasty and players would want to be here.

He bought Dahlin and Thompson. He’s overpaid for Cozens, Power, and Samuelson. He kept UPL and Greenway.

If Zucker and JJ leave, he’s about to discover he was naive.

[Jorcus]

One thing about Peterka is that he is prime offer sheet bait. Even at a bridge deal he will cost minimum 4.6 mil per year for what ever the term is. Any team that has their own 2nd round pick could poach him if we offer less. Is he worth losing for a first and a third?  There could be a team or two who would who could up the anti for a 1st a 2nd and a third at around 6.9 Mil per year. Would we match that? This rule while it helps the players is going to be regressive for bottom feeder teams like the Sabres. A second round pick late in the draft is not worth as much as a second round pick early in the draft. So if the better teams that have the picks and cap space why would they not take advantage of the rules. I expect we are going to see a lot more of this activity soon. 

Edited March 7 by Jorcus
grammer

[Doohickie]

11 hours ago, JP51 said:

Please don't let Adams make any trades he is an idiot

This is the way.  Fire him at the end of the season and let the new GM fix the roster.

[DarthEbriate]

13 hours ago, ... said:

Agreed, but JJP is still under the Sabres' control. KA's attitude is going to require case-by-case flexibility in order to not dig the hole even deeper. In a circumstance like this, JJP has to perform if he expects to one day sign a good contract on a good team.

Which he has done. Is he a defensive stalwart? No. But, he's improved each season and has been slightly more consistent than last year (where he disappeared for a month; this year it's down to a week or so at a time). By his mid-20s he could be an all-around top 6 guy on any good/championship caliber team in the league.

[Brawndo]

Maybe they can remind him that NYC is an hour flight and Toronto is a hour and half drive.

 

And buy an EV or find a Full Service Gas Station. 

[mjd1001]

Rumors were they had an offer for a 1st round pick (probably mid first) and a current roster player.

https://www.yardbarker.com/nhl/articles/insider_reveals_the_shocking_package_the_new_york_rangers_offered_to_get_a_young_star/s1_17636_41904897

One of those has now officially been reported by Frank Seravalli, who has revealed that the New York Rangers offered a significant package to the Buffalo Sabres for JJ Peterka, but unfortunately for GM Chris Drury, it just wasn't near good enough to land the talented winger.

According to Seravalli, the Rangers offered a first-round pick and a roster player (unknown at this point) for Peterka, but given the prices we saw players going for, it makes sense that the Sabres turned this one down.

Over the summer, Peterka will officially become a restricted free agent in Buffalo, meaning that the team will have a big decision to make on his future, and if they can't work out a deal, don't be shocked to see New York and other teams look to pry him away from the Sabres.

[PerreaultForever]

On 3/7/2025 at 5:51 AM, inkman said:

I’m glad someone said it. JJ’s defense is comically poor. No interest in putting the effort in to play defense.  He’s a wonderful offensive player but let’s not act like he doesn’t have warts. 

Which of the Sabres offensive players is good at defense? 

[mjd1001]

24 minutes ago, PerreaultForever said:

Which of the Sabres offensive players is good at defense? 

No one comes to mind so not really anyone is 'good'.  I could make a small case for some players though....

I think Tuch is a very good forchecker, which means he plays one part of his game well without the puck. Its basically defense in a different zone.  I also know a lot of people disagree, but I think Tage causes so many problems in the neutral zone for other teams, he prevents some things from happening (zone entries are altered).  McLeod is not mistake free, but he doesn't make many glaring mistakes and his speed aids in backchecking.  I see some good individual play out of Malenstyn defensively, but his numbers don't back that up.

So honestly I don't think anyone is 'good' but there are some guys who, when you take their entire game into account, aren't 'bad'.  Peterka is one one of them though. All season lone I personally have thought that by far and away Cozens and Quinn were the worst forwards in this respect (Cozens #1, Quinn #2).  I don't think Peterka has been in the same class as those 2, but he might be #3 on my list.

Statistically, Peterka benefits from having a guy like Tuch on his other wing.  For the season, he has played a bit more without Tuch than with him, but Tuch still has been one of his primary linemates on the other wing.  With Tuch, on the ice with him, the team allows a goal every 32.3 minutes of ice time, and  26.3 shots against per 60. When he has anyone else on the opposite wing besides Tuch....its a goal every 13.9 minutes of ice time, and 32.3 shots against per 60 minutes.

Edited March 17 by mjd1001

[thewookie1]

18 minutes ago, PerreaultForever said:

Which of the Sabres offensive players is good at defense? 

We have a few players who are good at neutral and offensive zone defensive play. As in breaking up passes, forechecking and blocking entries. The issue is once they get inside our zone we have a great struggle removing them. Tuch is ok, Greenway and Benson are likely the best position ally and McLeod is a solid chaser. Only frequent talent is shot blocking which is actually alright among our forwards.

[inkman]

27 minutes ago, PerreaultForever said:

Which of the Sabres offensive players is good at defense? 

Greenway, Zucker, Krebs. The rest are either break even or bad. 

[LGR4GM]

36 minutes ago, PerreaultForever said:

Which of the Sabres offensive players is good at defense? 

Zach Benson 

McLeod 

[Cityo'Rasmii]

JJP has room to grow defensively, for sure. As far as his offensive upside and fast skating is concerned, extend him (IF you know how to negotiate that, KA).

[Doohickie]

2 minutes ago, Cityo'Rasmii said:

JJP has room to grow defensively, for sure. As far as his offensive upside and fast skating is concerned, extend him (IF you know how to negotiate that, KA).

Do you give him the standard 7x7?

[Cityo'Rasmii]

2 minutes ago, Doohicksie said:

Do you give him the standard 7x7?

leavin' that up to the palm trees brainchild

Edited March 17 by Cityo'Rasmii

[PerreaultForever]

3 hours ago, mjd1001 said:

No one comes to mind so not really anyone is 'good'.  I could make a small case for some players though....

I think Tuch is a very good forchecker, which means he plays one part of his game well without the puck. Its basically defense in a different zone.  I also know a lot of people disagree, but I think Tage causes so many problems in the neutral zone for other teams, he prevents some things from happening (zone entries are altered).  McLeod is not mistake free, but he doesn't make many glaring mistakes and his speed aids in backchecking.  I see some good individual play out of Malenstyn defensively, but his numbers don't back that up.

So honestly I don't think anyone is 'good' but there are some guys who, when you take their entire game into account, aren't 'bad'.  Peterka is one one of them though. All season lone I personally have thought that by far and away Cozens and Quinn were the worst forwards in this respect (Cozens #1, Quinn #2).  I don't think Peterka has been in the same class as those 2, but he might be #3 on my list.

Statistically, Peterka benefits from having a guy like Tuch on his other wing.  For the season, he has played a bit more without Tuch than with him, but Tuch still has been one of his primary linemates on the other wing.  With Tuch, on the ice with him, the team allows a goal every 32.3 minutes of ice time, and  26.3 shots against per 60. When he has anyone else on the opposite wing besides Tuch....its a goal every 13.9 minutes of ice time, and 32.3 shots against per 60 minutes.

Ya, that was kind of my point. Saying Peterka was bad defensively is fine but so are the rest of them. I don't consider McLeod an actual offensive scoring forward. He played a 2 way role in Edmonton and that's where he actually belongs on the third line. 

Forechecking is not defense imo, it's part of an attack and yes, Tuch does that, and I wish more of them would as well. I think this team needs more of that. 

3 hours ago, inkman said:

Greenway, Zucker, Krebs. The rest are either break even or bad. 

Okay. I don't consider Greenway or Krebs as offensive players but fair enough. Zucker has played in proper systems so he definitely has more of that. 

[LGR4GM]

14 hours ago, PerreaultForever said:

Which of the Sabres offensive players is good at defense? 

Zach Benson 

He's literally running numbers similar to Barkov at the same age. 

 

[JohnC]

14 hours ago, PerreaultForever said:

Which of the Sabres offensive players is good at defense? 

Zucker and Tuch. 

[dudacek]

I'm very curious how Adams reacts if this smoke about JJ's unhappiness is true.

He's publicly stated the team is in a 'new phase' and he's stepped back from 'blocking' concerns.

I wonder if he has also stepped back from "only players who want to be here" as well?

Are we in for a summer of trade rumours? Will other teams see Buffalo as a good offer sheet target? Will JJ court one?

Most of the fan base will be melting down if it plays out in that direction because JJ is one of the few young players fulfilling his potential and most of you are clinging to the notion we can fix this by trading Quinn or Samuelsson or Rosen.

I don't want to see him traded for a Jordan Greenway and a pick, or overpaid out of fear, or an offer sheet not matched because of Pegula/Adams stubbornness about "wanting to be here'.

But I've grown tired of people complaining about the mix while at the same time pushing back at any real attempt to change it.

I don't want to trade Peterka, but I would give up his goals and speed for an equal level of stops and grit.

A Peterka trade — really any trade — could and should be looked at as an opportunity to make the team better.

Just make my team better. Please. Good GMs capitalize on these situations all the time.

Edited March 18 by dudacek