Sabres sign Jordan Greenway to a 2 year/4 million AAV Extension

[mjd1001]

1 minute ago, Crusader1969 said:

I really have no issue with the forward group this season.   
Glad he's back.  Need the Vet presence and the rugged defensive minded play 

the real works needs to be done on the D-corps 

 

 

I'm the opposite.

I think the D-group, while it could be improved GREATLY from a veteran, right hand shot legit top 4 guy....has been decent. Not good, but more often than not hung out to dry by the forward play.  Power seems to have taken a step back at times, but despite his contract I don't look at him as being anything special until he gets another 100+ games experience.

I think its been play without the puck by Cozens and Quinn, and inconsistent play by the goaltenders that have sunk this team more than the D-men.

[Broken Ankles]

Percent of cap over next two years is about the same as where he is today at $3.5m. So it’s like a COLA. 
Oft injured but moments of above average play. 
 PK numbers are obvi…. And he  is a grown ass man.  Not a child.  That is a plus plus in itself. 

[Believer]

1 hour ago, Sidc3000 said:

I’m not the only one. No NHL player is lining up to sign with the Sabres. They know how much a ***** show the owner has created

If Zucker joins Greenway and resigns, it will be a good sign, imo. Zucker will be pursued by contenders.

[dudacek]

49 minutes ago, Crusader1969 said:

I really have no issue with the forward group this season.   
Glad he's back.  Need the Vet presence and the rugged defensive minded play 

the real works needs to be done on the D-corps 

 

 

I like the good Greenway. And I am OK with the signing given the teams needs and reputation.

But we’ve seen the good version what, 60 games over 2 years? It’s an expensive price for a player who hasn’t been very reliable.

The Sabres problems are very much the forwards - specifically the fact that 1st-line winger JJ Peterka doesn’t provide 1st-line level 2-way play and 2nd-liners Jack Quinn and Dylan Cozens have been outright bad at their jobs.

Neither Kulich nor Benson are anywhere near top 6 worthy as the final top 6 piece.

So yeah, I’m content with Greenway as a 3rd-liner with McLeod, just like I’m content with Thompson and Tuch in the top six.

The rest of the top 9 needs a drastic upgrade.

 

Edited Thursday at 12:14 AM by dudacek

[Jorcus]

3 hours ago, LGR4GM said:

Or he's from NY and likes it here? Sure Caton isn't close but Buffalo is a lot similar to his home than NYC. 

We can only speculate about Why Greenway chose to resign here but comparing Canton to Buffalo to New York City. Is like comparing an Apple to an Orange to a Coconut. I have lived in all three places and they are wildly different. Canton is a remote college town where the nearest place of interest is another remote college town. I am not knocking it, two of the best years of my life were spent there but it is a harsh place to live. Ottawa, Montreal and Toronto are all closer in distance than Buffalo if it's about family matters. Not that he could depend on those offers but we just don't know the why unless he tells us. 

As far as his play I am also of the mind that he is very inconsistent. Some games he seems to make a big difference and others he drifts. One negative I think I see is that he has to skate short shifts. I don't know if it's related to his injury but if he gets hung out on the ice he skates very slow and upright. You can almost always tell when he is out of gas. I guess the big fear is the good aggressive play he has shown this year was to get the next contract and that he might not put forth the same effort next year. On the other hand he should be in his prime years so maybe it all works out.    

   

[Bangarang]

It's going to be hilarious when we run the same squad back next year and Adams gives us more BS about how he's confident in the guys we have.

[HumanSlinky39]

I like the extension. Greenway brings an element this team sorely lacks, is usually pretty noticeable when he's out there...and in a good way. The risk is that he seems to be hurt pretty frequently, but it's not a bank breaking contract, so not overly concerned. We need more players like him.

[PerreaultForever]

1 hour ago, Brawndo said:

 

Not surprised he'd sign here for that. He wasn't going to get near that anywhere else. 

By way of contrast, Bruins weren't willing to give Frederic $4 million. 

Now we hope Greenway can stay healthy. 

[GoPuckYourself]

Finally we keep some toughness and physicality at a good price and not for 7 years 😀 Now let's deal some of these guys who don't really have a future here like Jokiharju, Krebs, Lafferty, NAK. If Zucker doesn't want to re-sign then ship him off and I'm hoping they deal Byram as well because he isn't very good. I thought he was worth signing at 1 point but he is very average to me but that's what we get for hoping these young guys can be cornerstones with a garbage defensive coach and no defensive defensemen covering up for them.

[Thorner]

Why was Adams around to make this deal? 

[Slack_in_MA]

6 hours ago, Mr. Allen said:

Canton, NY!  

As a proud St Lawrence University grad (Go Saints), I endorse this!

[Thorner]

6 hours ago, LGR4GM said:

He's stable, you know what he will bring every game. Perfect example of a bottom 6 forward and a valuable veteran in a room of kids. 

Stable when he’s on the ice I guess. He’s averaged only 55 games per 82 last 3 seasons 

[Thorner]

4 hours ago, Flashsabre said:

Mission Accomplished! Adams is done til the offseason

You laugh but aside from dealing with Zucker he’s likely done on the F group for 25-26

2 hours ago, Crusader1969 said:

I really have no issue with the forward group this season.   
Glad he's back.  Need the Vet presence and the rugged defensive minded play 

the real works needs to be done on the D-corps 

 

 

The F group is 19th in even strength scoring. If that’s the goal, the goal sucks 

[Thorner]

2 hours ago, mjd1001 said:

I'm the opposite.

I think the D-group, while it could be improved GREATLY from a veteran, right hand shot legit top 4 guy....has been decent. Not good, but more often than not hung out to dry by the forward play.  Power seems to have taken a step back at times, but despite his contract I don't look at him as being anything special until he gets another 100+ games experience.

I think its been play without the puck by Cozens and Quinn, and inconsistent play by the goaltenders that have sunk this team more than the D-men.

Nope the only thing that matters when it comes to forwards is sick snipes at 5 V 5. That’s why we are in 29th 

[Slack_in_MA]

53 minutes ago, Bangarang said:

It's going to be hilarious when we run the same squad back next year and Adams gives us more BS about how he's confident in the guys we have.

No doubt. It needs a healthy colon-blow.

[Doohicksie]

Good deal.

[John Tucker]

He must not like palm trees?

[FrenchConnection44]

Very happy with this signing for what it is. He’s not going to transform the organization but we need a player like him. He’s had some really good runs on penalty kill and has good games when healthy. I’d like to get Zucker on a deal as well. 
 

But I’d also be good with trading Cozens at some point — maybe not til after the season — as well as an few others (Samuelsson, Power) and try to find a tough guy at fwd and a defensive oriented rugged defenseman. IMO 

[PromoTheRobot]

4 hours ago, Mustache of God said:

I'd rather trade Zuckerberg with an oral agreement to sign over the off-season.  the ways he's been playing hell get a decent return.

Yes, if that actually happens. Funny things happen once people leave, though.

[CallawaySabres]

Now, if we could just keep everybody else and sign them up for next year, we will be in a great position.

[JP51]

Glad they did this

[Archie Lee]

13 hours ago, dudacek said:

I like the good Greenway. And I am OK with the signing given the teams needs and reputation.

But we’ve seen the good version what, 60 games over 2 years? It’s an expensive price for a player who hasn’t been very reliable.

The Sabres problems are very much the forwards - specifically the fact that 1st-line winger JJ Peterka doesn’t provide 1st-line level 2-way play and 2nd-liners Jack Quinn and Dylan Cozens have been outright bad at their jobs.

Neither Kulich nor Benson are anywhere near top 6 worthy as the final top 6 piece.

So yeah, I’m content with Greenway as a 3rd-liner with McLeod, just like I’m content with Thompson and Tuch in the top six.

The rest of the top 9 needs a drastic upgrade.

 

I wholly agree. 

The question is, how does Adams address this? Upgrading the top 9 doesn’t just mean bringing in better players, it also means moving players out. If we wait on Cozens, Benson, Quinn, Peterka, and Kulich, we are likely at least one more year out of the playoffs; the negativity surrounding the franchise will only grow. And there is no guarantee they reach the level we need them at. If we opt to trade some of them, then we are dealing diminished assets (only Peterka, maybe Kulich, has held or increased his trade value from draft day, in my view). 

Edited Thursday at 01:40 PM by Archie Lee

[mjd1001]

13 minutes ago, Archie Lee said:

I wholly agree. 

The question is, how does Adams address this? Upgrading the top 9 doesn’t just mean bringing in better players, it also means moving players out. If we wait on Cozens, Benson, Quinn, Peterka, and Kulich, we are likely at least one more year out of the playoffs; the negativity surrounding the franchise will only grow. And there is no guarantee they reach the level we need them at. If we opt to trade some of them, then we are dealing diminished assets (only Peterka, maybe Kulich, has held or increased his trade value from draft day, in my view). 

On a good team, Greenway is on your first penalty killing unit and probably ONLY gets 3rd or 4th line minutes and never moves up the lineup.  He'll still probably get hurt, but I think with about 2 minute less even strength ice time per game he would be more effective AND probably have a bit less of a chance for his constant injuries.

We just need some better forwards to step up to be available to take those 2 or so extra minutes per game.

Edited Thursday at 01:50 PM by mjd1001

[JohnC]

13 hours ago, dudacek said:

I like the good Greenway. And I am OK with the signing given the teams needs and reputation.

But we’ve seen the good version what, 60 games over 2 years? It’s an expensive price for a player who hasn’t been very reliable.

The Sabres problems are very much the forwards - specifically the fact that 1st-line winger JJ Peterka doesn’t provide 1st-line level 2-way play and 2nd-liners Jack Quinn and Dylan Cozens have been outright bad at their jobs.

Neither Kulich nor Benson are anywhere near top 6 worthy as the final top 6 piece.

So yeah, I’m content with Greenway as a 3rd-liner with McLeod, just like I’m content with Thompson and Tuch in the top six.

The rest of the top 9 needs a drastic upgrade.

 

The GM made an assumption that the young players you listed would continue on an upward trajectory and become the new core. The problem was that the listed young guns were prematurely assigned roles that were beyond their development. Not only was it a mistake from a team standpoint but also from a developmental standpoint for each of these players. Right now, it appears that Kulich may be our best prospect. But even if that is the case, he's not ready enough to be on a top two line. 

The bottom line is that the GM had a plan that was too accelerated/ambitious for the prospects he was counting on. He made a miscalculated bet and lost at the table. The end result is that he sunk the team in the process. And to make things even worse, the young players that he was counting on have severely been devalued so that in a trade the return would not be sufficient enough to get an adequate return. 

When you have a checkers player playing in a chess game predictably you lose. 

[MISabresFan]

Not a fan of the signing.  Games I watched he looks lazy and uninspired.  Just my 2 cents.