Any signings or trades yet?

[Archie Lee]

I have now crossed the line and am hoping we move Zucker, Greenway, and Jokiharju for whatever we can get. I am at the point where I have zero faith in Adams. I think he and Ruff will be back for one more year and that it will be a disaster. A new GM is going to have to pick up the pieces, likely starting in 14 months. It is better for that GM to have whatever flexibility additional draft picks, prospects, and cap space, will give them. 

[mjd1001]

1 hour ago, Archie Lee said:

I have now crossed the line and am hoping we move Zucker, Greenway, and Jokiharju for whatever we can get. I am at the point where I have zero faith in Adams. I think he and Ruff will be back for one more year and that it will be a disaster. A new GM is going to have to pick up the pieces, likely starting in 14 months. It is better for that GM to have whatever flexibility additional draft picks, prospects, and cap space, will give them. 

I'd like to keep Zucker but I'm not sure how much he moves the needle with this team, so if he's traded, so be it.  Greenway has frustrated me lately and I think he is over-rated on this board, Sure trade him.  I think Jokiharju is a decent 2nd pair guy and a pretty good 3rd pair guy, but this staff doesn't seem to use him that way so yeah, trade him too.  Quinn and Cozens? I won't shed a tear if they are gone also.  All of those guys are where I'd start.  

Then make a decision on Byram.  I guess he is restricted, so if you don't sign him now you still can control the situation with him. But some games I watch him play and I think...you BETTER lock him up...other games...he looks like just another 2nd or 3rd pair guy.

Edited Wednesday at 05:18 PM by mjd1001

[JoeSchmoe]

15 minutes ago, mjd1001 said:

But some games I watch him play and I think...you BETTER lock him up...other games...he looks like just another 2nd or 3rd pair guy.

Separate him from Dahlin and he's a liability. Please move this guy.

[Goldseatsaud]

Dahlin will force a trade

[GoPuckYourself]

5 hours ago, mjd1001 said:

Are we talking about Quinn?

I'm starting to get a bit more 'down' on him. I think his effort and 'motor' level is toward the bottom of the guys on forward if he doens't have the puck....and I also think his basic defensive coverage is probably the worst on the team (among forwards) next to Cozens.  On offense he has a good shot ,but I would also put him toward the bottom of the list of guys who can generate their own chances or even put the effort in to do that.

I don't want to call him 'lazy', but I rarely see him skate hard or push himself. That along with making routine mistakes in coverage and positioning....its not a good combo.

I have some patience with him though, he still only has about 150 games. But he needs to realize he's not Ovechkin....he can't just float around the tops of the circle or the slot waiting for the puck to hit his stick so he can shoot it and fill the net. He needs to work more and he needs to learn defensive awareness also.

We all want tougness, We all want consistent scoring. We all want full effort.  I get it.  But this team, when they lose usually loses because they don't play well positionally and can't think 2 seconds ahead of where the puck is.  Almost every loss they have, when I watch the replays of the goals allowed, its hardly ever about lack of effort, or not caring, or not being tough enough. They do not THINK the game, they are not ABLE to think the game, or they have little awareness of anyone else on the ice.

Quinn, Cozens, and even Greenway are the worst offenders.  Yes, Greenway. He's tough, he hits, but I'm not sure that makes up for some bad decisions he makes. Peterka has ups and downs.  Often times it is the play of the above that hurts the team. I'm not crying if any of them are moved.

Tuch, McLeod, Zucker, Krebs, even Kulich. They actually play pretty well positionally and they seem to 'anticipate' the puck a LOT better than those guys above them. JJP and Thompson have ups and downs, but teven they are better than the guys above.

This team needs more McLeods and Tuchs and Zuckers and less Quinns and Cozens and Greenways.

 

Yes, Achilles injuries are career killers in just about every sport and you can tell it’s done something to Quinn’s overall game imo. I know he only has 150 games but you can see something is clearly off.

[The Jokeman]

3 hours ago, mjd1001 said:

I'd like to keep Zucker but I'm not sure how much he moves the needle with this team, so if he's traded, so be it.  Greenway has frustrated me lately and I think he is over-rated on this board, Sure trade him.  I think Jokiharju is a decent 2nd pair guy and a pretty good 3rd pair guy, but this staff doesn't seem to use him that way so yeah, trade him too.  Quinn and Cozens? I won't shed a tear if they are gone also.  All of those guys are where I'd start.  

Then make a decision on Byram.  I guess he is restricted, so if you don't sign him now you still can control the situation with him. But some games I watch him play and I think...you BETTER lock him up...other games...he looks like just another 2nd or 3rd pair guy.

I like what Zucker brought. Yet  meh until we move dead weight, I'm pointing to Cozens and Samuelsson, Zucker being here isn't a major a needle pusher.

[inkman]

Am I the only one that is somewhat annoyed with the “signing” portion of this thread?  That’s what my octogenarian dad calls trades in sports.  They aren’t signings. They are trades.  Signings occur on and after July 1st. Please don’t fill my ear (or eyes) with how players like Greenway signed extensions in March.  That’s clearly not the intent of this topic.  

[JoeSchmoe]

7 minutes ago, inkman said:

Am I the only one that is somewhat annoyed with the “signing” portion of this thread?  That’s what my octogenarian dad calls trades in sports.  They aren’t signings. They are trades.  Signings occur on and after July 1st. Please don’t fill my ear (or eyes) with how players like Greenway signed extensions in March.  That’s clearly not the intent of this topic.  

I'm the OP and that was the intent. Given our lack of palm trees, we're limited in what we could get in free agency. Signing news is good news.

Signing Greenway, Joki, and Zucker is certainly better than losing them for nothing. History has shown they'll be replaced by more youth. The last thing this team needs is a player like Rosen being slotted info the Greenway role.

Edited Wednesday at 08:43 PM by JoeSchmoe

[HumanSlinky39]

4 hours ago, Goldseatsaud said:

Dahlin will force a trade

Sadly, I think you're right and I don't think it's in the distant future. If (when) they miss the playoffs next season, wouldn't surprise me at all if he says he's had enough.

[PerreaultForever]

24 minutes ago, JoeSchmoe said:

I'm the OP and that was the intent. Given our lack of palm trees, we're limited in what we could get in free agency. Signing news is good news.

Signing Greenway, Joki, and Zucker is certainly better than losing them for nothing. History has shown they'll be replaced by more youth. The last thing this team needs is a player like Rosen being slotted info the Greenway role.

Yes that would be bad but the better plan is signing new free agents in the off season after getting assets for those players now. You can also circle back and sign them in free agency after trading them. Also you can package up the assets you gained in the deadline deals for players in the off season. 

There is absolutely no reason to keep these free agents on a last place team. The team needs an overhaul. 

[inkman]

32 minutes ago, JoeSchmoe said:

I'm the OP and that was the intent. Given our lack of palm trees, we're limited in what we could get in free agency. Signing news is good news.

Signing Greenway, Joki, and Zucker is certainly better than losing them for nothing. History has shown they'll be replaced by more youth. The last thing this team needs is a player like Rosen being slotted info the Greenway role.

I guess that was tremendous foresight on your part as I didn’t see anyone re-signing with the team before the end of the season.   

[MISabresFan]

Lol, close your eyes what do you see?    NOTHING and hope it stays that way until they change the admin staff.  

[JoeSchmoe]

17 hours ago, inkman said:

I guess that was tremendous foresight on your part as I didn’t see anyone re-signing with the team before the end of the season.   

I thought it was a possibility, though if I had to wager on it, I too would have bet against a signing.