Any signings or trades yet?

[GoPuckYourself]

1 minute ago, inkman said:

Why are we throwing away Jack Quinn?  If people are worried about players moving elsewhere and flourishing (which is not what happened with Eichel or Reinhart as they were great players before they left but fans have a funny way of misremembering the facts), Jack Quinn would be someone I’d be extremely worried about. I haven’t seen anyone dominate the AHL like him.  He’s had a rough go the last couple of seasons but that’s obviously attributed to his injuries.  I think if he’s put on a line with actual proven NHL players, he’s going to be good.  

So another player we're going to reward for being mediocre? When does it end? We should put him on the top 2 lines because he was dominating the AHL not because he has earned the spot? Seems like the Sabres way.

[inkman]

Just now, GoPuckYourself said:

So another player we're going to reward for being mediocre? When does it end? We should put him on the top 2 lines because he was dominating the AHL not because he has earned the spot? Seems like the Sabres way.

He’s a scorer.  You put him with scorers.  Get him away from Cozens and whoever else they’ve had him with.  Now is exactly the time to see what they have with him.  Put him with Tage and Tuch.  

[GoPuckYourself]

1 minute ago, inkman said:

He’s a scorer.  You put him with scorers.  Get him away from Cozens and whoever else they’ve had him with.  Now is exactly the time to see what they have with him.  Put him with Tage and Tuch.  

Besides his lack of production that injury is nasty in any sport, Anthony Duclair hasn't been the same since. Although he was much older I still don't think players come back very often from it. 

[mjd1001]

10 minutes ago, inkman said:

He’s a scorer.  You put him with scorers.  Get him away from Cozens and whoever else they’ve had him with.  Now is exactly the time to see what they have with him.  Put him with Tage and Tuch.  

Agreed. Jack Quinn has played about 150 games. Cozens is up to about 350.  Quinn hasn't had as much time to develop and prove himself.

More importantly, I can/will have more patience with a winger who isn't getting paid a lot than a center who is.

[JoeSchmoe]

33 minutes ago, inkman said:

Why are we throwing away Jack Quinn?  If people are worried about players moving elsewhere and flourishing (which is not what happened with Eichel or Reinhart as they were great players before they left but fans have a funny way of misremembering the facts), Jack Quinn would be someone I’d be extremely worried about. I haven’t seen anyone dominate the AHL like him.  He’s had a rough go the last couple of seasons but that’s obviously attributed to his injuries.  I think if he’s put on a line with actual proven NHL players, he’s going to be good.  

How many NHL players get signed in March?  

6

[SABRES 0311]

NHL Trade Tracker

https://www.nhl.com/news/2024-25-nhl-trades

[inkman]

43 minutes ago, GoPuckYourself said:

Besides his lack of production that injury is nasty in any sport, Anthony Duclair hasn't been the same since. Although he was much older I still don't think players come back very often from it. 

If you think he’s broken and can’t be fixed, I’ll listen to it. Maybe he’ll never be the same player.  I’d hate to give up on him in a trade deadline move (not sure who’d want him other than a team looking to fleece the Sabres). 

[GoPuckYourself]

13 minutes ago, inkman said:

If you think he’s broken and can’t be fixed, I’ll listen to it. Maybe he’ll never be the same player.  I’d hate to give up on him in a trade deadline move (not sure who’d want him other than a team looking to fleece the Sabres). 

Isn't his contract up after the season? Or is he an RFA?

[WhenWillItEnd66]

Trade them all! Getting garbage back is better then what we put on the ice

[DarthEbriate]

I realize Jokiharju isn't their best defenseman, but he is steady and he somehow manages to be a plus defender even when he's not paired with Dahlin. Holding him out of the lineup has been noticeable -- it's been three games. Normally when you hold someone out of the lineup for a trade it's because the trade is imminent. Trade him already.

[SABRES 0311]

4 hours ago, GoPuckYourself said:

So another player we're going to reward for being mediocre? When does it end? We should put him on the top 2 lines because he was dominating the AHL not because he has earned the spot? Seems like the Sabres way.

I’d be in favor of bridge deal at $3mil AAV. He hasn’t done **** but has talent. Put him with someone better than Cozens and see what happens. After a year and half you can move him if he isn’t a 25 goal scorer.

[GoPuckYourself]

9 hours ago, SABRES 0311 said:

I’d be in favor of bridge deal at $3mil AAV. He hasn’t done **** but has talent. Put him with someone better than Cozens and see what happens. After a year and half you can move him if he isn’t a 25 goal scorer.

The bolded is the part I don't like. We all know he has talent but is underachieving yet we should reward him by playing on the 2nd line? I think this is how we got in this mess in the first place. There is 0 accountability when a player isn't playing well here, in fact they seem to get even more playing time (Cozens/Power).

[mjd1001]

20 minutes ago, GoPuckYourself said:

The bolded is the part I don't like. We all know he has talent but is underachieving yet we should reward him by playing on the 2nd line? I think this is how we got in this mess in the first place. There is 0 accountability when a player isn't playing well here, in fact they seem to get even more playing time (Cozens/Power).

Are we talking about Quinn?

I'm starting to get a bit more 'down' on him. I think his effort and 'motor' level is toward the bottom of the guys on forward if he doens't have the puck....and I also think his basic defensive coverage is probably the worst on the team (among forwards) next to Cozens.  On offense he has a good shot ,but I would also put him toward the bottom of the list of guys who can generate their own chances or even put the effort in to do that.

I don't want to call him 'lazy', but I rarely see him skate hard or push himself. That along with making routine mistakes in coverage and positioning....its not a good combo.

I have some patience with him though, he still only has about 150 games. But he needs to realize he's not Ovechkin....he can't just float around the tops of the circle or the slot waiting for the puck to hit his stick so he can shoot it and fill the net. He needs to work more and he needs to learn defensive awareness also.

We all want tougness, We all want consistent scoring. We all want full effort.  I get it.  But this team, when they lose usually loses because they don't play well positionally and can't think 2 seconds ahead of where the puck is.  Almost every loss they have, when I watch the replays of the goals allowed, its hardly ever about lack of effort, or not caring, or not being tough enough. They do not THINK the game, they are not ABLE to think the game, or they have little awareness of anyone else on the ice.

Quinn, Cozens, and even Greenway are the worst offenders.  Yes, Greenway. He's tough, he hits, but I'm not sure that makes up for some bad decisions he makes. Peterka has ups and downs.  Often times it is the play of the above that hurts the team. I'm not crying if any of them are moved.

Tuch, McLeod, Zucker, Krebs, even Kulich. They actually play pretty well positionally and they seem to 'anticipate' the puck a LOT better than those guys above them. JJP and Thompson have ups and downs, but teven they are better than the guys above.

This team needs more McLeods and Tuchs and Zuckers and less Quinns and Cozens and Greenways.

 

Edited Wednesday at 02:03 PM by mjd1001

[JP51]

No trades or signings... but I did hear that Kevyn was spotted looking at Plastic Palm trees at BJs... they had Christmas lights on them though ... from what I heard it was almost a done deal but Terry ixnayed the cost cause he didnt want to pay for lights... apparently Kevyn told him but these are on clearance... and Terry got all technical quoting the cost of electricity.. so stay tuned... he was spotted heading to Walmart next... 

as an aside: There we no palm trees on Amazon that qualified for free shipping so that is a no go...  

 

[_Q_]

13 minutes ago, mjd1001 said:

Are we talking about Quinn?

I'm starting to get a bit more 'down' on him. I think his effort and 'motor' level is toward the bottom of the guys on forward if he doens't have the puck....and I also think his basic defensive coverage is probably the worst on the team (among forwards) next to Cozens.  On offense he has a good shot ,but I would also put him toward the bottom of the list of guys who can generate their own chances or even put the effort in to do that.

I don't want to call him 'lazy', but I rarely see him skate hard or push himself. That along with making routine mistakes in coverage and positioning....its not a good combo.

I have some patience with him though, he still only has about 150 games. But he needs to realize he's not Ovechkin....he can't just float around the tops of the circle or the slot waiting for the puck to hit his stick so he can shoot it and fill the net. He needs to work more and he needs to learn defensive awareness also.

Jack Quinn has had two very significant leg injuries in the last two years.  IMO, this has cost him dearly in the weight room.  At his age he needs to be full body powerlifting to get stronger especially in the lower body and you just cannot do that with those injuries and recoveries.

This offseason is the offseason of his life and I believe you are going to see a totally different human being next year.  Assuming no injuries.

I do not want to see a lower body strong Jack Quinn on another team and wonder what could have been.

[thewookie1]

15 minutes ago, _Q_ said:

Jack Quinn has had two very significant leg injuries in the last two years.  IMO, this has cost him dearly in the weight room.  At his age he needs to be full body powerlifting to get stronger especially in the lower body and you just cannot do that with those injuries and recoveries.

This offseason is the offseason of his life and I believe you are going to see a totally different human being next year.  Assuming no injuries.

I do not want to see a lower body strong Jack Quinn on another team and wonder what could have been.

My only knock on that interpretation is that his positioning and 2way play has taken a huge hit this year for unknown reasons. It doesn't require peak physical shape to not venture out of position or lose a guy entirely in coverage. Benson is a perfect example, as was Quinn previously, of what Quinn should look like in theory. Struggling to score but having an active stick and rarely making serious gaffes. 

[_Q_]

Just now, thewookie1 said:

My only knock on that interpretation is that his positioning and 2way play has taken a huge hit this year for unknown reasons. It doesn't require peak physical shape to not venture out of position or lose a guy entirely in coverage. Benson is a perfect example, as was Quinn previously, of what Quinn should look like in theory. Struggling to score but having an active stick and rarely making serious gaffes. 

You may be totally correct.  I just don't think he has his legs under him to get to the proper spots.  This was never his issue preinjury as he was the Benson of the team before Benson from a hockey IQ perspective IMO

[thewookie1]

2 minutes ago, _Q_ said:

You may be totally correct.  I just don't think he has his legs under him to get to the proper spots.  This was never his issue preinjury as he was the Benson of the team before Benson from a hockey IQ perspective IMO

That's why he's become scary to me; his errors don't tend to be physical issues but rather IQ issues. 

[mjd1001]

28 minutes ago, _Q_ said:

Jack Quinn has had two very significant leg injuries in the last two years.  IMO, this has cost him dearly in the weight room.  At his age he needs to be full body powerlifting to get stronger especially in the lower body and you just cannot do that with those injuries and recoveries.

This offseason is the offseason of his life and I believe you are going to see a totally different human being next year.  Assuming no injuries.

I do not want to see a lower body strong Jack Quinn on another team and wonder what could have been.

I know that is a possibility.

My issue though is that I am worrying that even if that happens, its not changing what I see has huge issues in his game.  1.) he doesn't seem to even try to skate hard. I think he is the biggest 'floater' on the team.   2.) he doesn't think the game well. On the 2nd last goal last night when Clifton went in deep, that was his job to get back to cover the open spot. This is high-school level stuff, and he didn't do it, he just stood there and watched. Things like that happen a lot with him.

[JoeSchmoe]

Still no trades or signings eh?

[DarthEbriate]

1 minute ago, JoeSchmoe said:

Still no trades or signings eh?

Most trades don't get reported until after 12 PM ET.

On Friday, some things will get reported in the morning. But, most importantly, GM Sheevyn isn't in any hurry to do anything.

[LGR4GM]

4 minutes ago, DarthEbriate said:

Most trades don't get reported until after 12 PM ET.

On Friday, some things will get reported in the morning. But, most importantly, GM Sheevyn isn't in any hurry to do anything.

Kevyn rolling into work Friday:

[JoeSchmoe]

27 minutes ago, DarthEbriate said:

Most trades don't get reported until after 12 PM ET.

On Friday, some things will get reported in the morning. But, most importantly, GM Sheevyn isn't in any hurry to do anything.

👍 

I was being facetious. 😉

Maybe tomorrow I'll wait until the afternoon to first log into Sabrespace only to see the Poltapov thread way at the top and still no trade/signing threads.

[dudacek]

Seravalli tells Vancouver radio this morning the Sabres may flip a UFA or 2 but he'd be very surprised if they moved anyone else.

Says they've received no offers they are even considering and the types of trades they are interested in for their other players aren't the types of trades that get usually made at the deadline.

[_Q_]

4 minutes ago, dudacek said:

Seravalli tells Vancouver radio this morning the Sabres may flip a UFA or 2 but he'd be very surprised if they moved anyone else.

Says they've received no offers they are even considering and the types of trades they are interested in for their other players aren't the types of trades that get usually made at the deadline.

I would be happy with this.  I don't want Adams making any more trades/decisions for this org.