So Who's Gone A Week From Tomorrow?

[dudacek]

Pettersson is to 1st-line centres right now as Dylan Cozens is to 2n-line centres.

[HumanSlinky39]

12 minutes ago, dudacek said:

Pettersson is to 1st-line centres right now as Dylan Cozens is to 2n-line centres.

What has to be so frustrating for VAN is that when his head is screwed on straight, Pettersson is one of the most talented players in the game. He put together what amounts to 2 full seasons (across 3 total seasons, 2021-24) of elite production. And they paid him like it. Then shortly after he signed the contract, his production fell off a cliff, he started feuding with JT Miller and to this point hasn't recovered. He was invisible in the 2024 playoffs and this year's 4 Nations. He hasn't scored a goal since January 21st and has 1 in his last 20 games. He has 6 points in his last 18 games. That's as big a red flag as you can see. At this point, VAN would have to pay ME to take on that contract.

Edited 10 hours ago by HumanSlinky39

[FrenchConnection44]

The discussion that makes the best sense is to forego making trades at the deadline, especially by Adams, as what we will get back won’t help us in the near future. I also would like Greenway and Zuckerberg back. 
 

I would be happy to trade Cozens or Samuelsson in the offseason, as well as some prospects, and even the likes of Power if the offer is right. And try to get back some glue players who play a more physical game. 
 

if somehow we could procure a defensive defenseman who plays a physical game and a more intimidating forward who plays with physicality and can stand up to the most rugged players on other teams, those two steps alone would be a big boost to this team, imo. 
 

 

[LGR4GM]

53 minutes ago, Crusader1969 said:

Let's not forget Tuch is a UFA after next season.   No guarantee he resigns or Sabres get a home team discount 

at this point all options , including trading away a popular player, needs to be on the table 

as for EP, he wasn't able to train last off season.   You have to feel comfortable that a full offseason of training gets him back to his potential

i dont think I'm going out on a limb here and saying EP at his potential is greater than AT at his highest potential 

Tuch being a UFA after next season is irrelevant. Buffalo can't even sign him to an extension until July 1. This reminds me of the McLeod stuff from GA. We shouldn't trade these types of players away unless we are getting a guaranteed improvement, like Tuch for Eichel. 

[sabresouth]

We can only hope, ka.

[SabreFinn]

34 minutes ago, FrenchConnection44 said:

The discussion that makes the best sense is to forego making trades at the deadline, especially by Adams, as what we will get back won’t help us in the near future. I also would like Greenway and Zuckerberg back. 
 

I would be happy to trade Cozens or Samuelsson in the offseason, as well as some prospects, and even the likes of Power if the offer is right. And try to get back some glue players who play a more physical game. 
 

if somehow we could procure a defensive defenseman who plays a physical game and a more intimidating forward who plays with physicality and can stand up to the most rugged players on other teams, those two steps alone would be a big boost to this team, imo. 
 

 

Novikov is big, strong and currently second best +/-stats overall in AHL. He is a LHD but he will get the job done in a couple of years. A scenario I am thinking of this moment is a trade where we send Power to Islanders in exchange for Noah Dobson (RHD). We probably at least would have to send them a prospect or take a bad contract like Pageau in exchange. 

[Pimlach]

4 hours ago, JP51 said:

Aside from Dahlin (which I am not sure I totally disagree with you, on the generational thing) We are thinking the exact same thing... if they trade Tuch unrealistic that they are getting anything more than an expendable player, picks and prospects for him because whomever is trading for him is look to improve on a playoff run... they are not breaking their team down... so unless the player is expendable not happening...  

With respect TO Tuch, agreed, I like him and we could use several like him... but I am not going to preclude trading him if we make our team instantly better... like he is a piece of a package that we trade away to get the superior player...  At this point our hockey trades should be TO obtain the superior player, not hope for the future... 

With respect to player for pick and prospect... I think that is the likely outcome of this trade season... it will be a mistake to use this strategy as a rebuilding plan... rinse wash repeat... but our GM and dysfunctional organization is likely to do this...  from my perspective with players that we should resign like Greenway and Zucker but know that they are not going to do it.... so they will trade them away so they can be successful elsewhere and we will get a faint hope for them that may or may not payoff somewhere in the future because  we are that inept...

With respect to Dahlin... I see him as better than a top 6 2nd or 3rd pairing D... but thats just me... 

 

I mean top 6 in the league, not a 2nd or 3rd paring. 

Just among Swedes there is Hedman, Karlsson, and Forsling that all (right or wrong )were given more ice on Team Sweden during 4 Nations.   That is a data point.  

There is Maker, Warrensky, Hughes,  McAvoy, Fox, Josi, Heskinan, Bouchard, Morrisey, Toews, Slavin, and more.  

I like Dahlin but he is not generational when there are this many other defensemen that are arguably in the same category.  Me saying top 6 in the league is not easy to defend when I think about it.  

[HumanSlinky39]

52 minutes ago, Pimlach said:

I mean top 6 in the league, not a 2nd or 3rd paring. 

Just among Swedes there is Hedman, Karlsson, and Forsling that all (right or wrong )were given more ice on Team Sweden during 4 Nations.   That is a data point.  

There is Maker, Warrensky, Hughes,  McAvoy, Fox, Josi, Heskinan, Bouchard, Morrisey, Toews, Slavin, and more.  

I like Dahlin but he is not generational when there are this many other defensemen that are arguably in the same category.  Me saying top 6 in the league is not easy to defend when I think about it.  

Dahlin to me is probably top-15 right now. He's a legitimate #1 defenseman. The question is, how good would he be if he played for TB, FLA, or Carolina? I think he's shown the ability that it's reasonable to think he might be a top-5 in the league if he was developed by a legitimate NHL organization. That he's as good as he is now on ***** teams is a testament to his ability.

[Taro T]

Would be very surprised if the Sabres make more than just a small move along the fringes of the roster.

They have more prospects than they know what to do with and absolutely don't need to get any younger so it isn't likely they'll be sellers.

They'd need to win about 20 of their last 25 games to have any shot at the playoffs and that ain't happening so they aren't going to be buying a rental.

Really don't see Adams going anywhere this offseason so don't see him being in desperation mode, again leaning towards them not buying a rental.

Maybe there's a real hockey trade to be made like the Byram for Mittelstadt deal last year a smidge before the deadline, but can't see a team looking to trade a 1 for 1 guy that is on the same timeline as what we'd be sending out and can't see a point to getting the younger guy AGAIN so don't see that happening either.

Used to be one of the funnest days of the year.  Not even sure will even be spot checking in for updates on what happened that day.

We really are in purgatory, aren't we?

[Crusader1969]

3 hours ago, LGR4GM said:

Tuch being a UFA after next season is irrelevant. Buffalo can't even sign him to an extension until July 1. This reminds me of the McLeod stuff from GA. We shouldn't trade these types of players away unless we are getting a guaranteed improvement, like Tuch for Eichel. 

EP for Tuch straight up ?  Yes or no 

2 hours ago, SabreFinn said:

Novikov is big, strong and currently second best +/-stats overall in AHL. He is a LHD but he will get the job done in a couple of years. A scenario I am thinking of this moment is a trade where we send Power to Islanders in exchange for Noah Dobson (RHD). We probably at least would have to send them a prospect or take a bad contract like Pageau in exchange. 

Not the craziest idea but is there another way to get Dobson and keep Power? 

[JP51]

6 hours ago, Pimlach said:

I mean top 6 in the league, not a 2nd or 3rd paring. 

Just among Swedes there is Hedman, Karlsson, and Forsling that all (right or wrong )were given more ice on Team Sweden during 4 Nations.   That is a data point.  

There is Maker, Warrensky, Hughes,  McAvoy, Fox, Josi, Heskinan, Bouchard, Morrisey, Toews, Slavin, and more.  

I like Dahlin but he is not generational when there are this many other defensemen that are arguably in the same category.  Me saying top 6 in the league is not easy to defend when I think about it.  

Oh ok that makes more sense to me

[SabreFinn]

4 hours ago, Crusader1969 said:

 

Not the craziest idea but is there another way to get Dobson and keep Power? 

I don't see any reason to keep Power if Dobson would sign a longer contract. Even if Novikov would not be ready as an top4 NHLer next season, understandable, there are much more stay at home LHD veterans to choose from.

[EM88]

4 hours ago, Crusader1969 said:

EP for Tuch straight up ?  Yes or no 

No, for sure no.