Does this guy have any credibility at all?

[EM88]

4 hours ago, Stoner said:

Incredible.

Analytics says the Sabres have so many amaaaaazing players. Yet all they do is lose, year after year. It's all Dahlin has done for seven (?) years.

Does this not have to be taken into account? Does "season effect" get considered? Because when the seasons are new, when they're slipping away, all I see is suckitude. You got some goals and assists? A notable goals for against projected 60 5 on 5? Wonderful. You don't know how to play winning hockey.

How anyone can be married to any player on the roster? Bowen ***** Byram? Who cares.

Dylan Cozens effect.

He almost single-handedly negates the positive analytics of many of the players.  In many analytical categories, put a player with Dylan Cozens and they are a lot worse.  Most players are positive players, meaning they are on the ice for more goals scored than goals against, except for Dylan Cozens and Jack Quinn.  Even last year and the year before, he has a negative impact on many more players than the has a positive impact.

It is not just even strength either.  Someone else, I think mjd1001, posted an interesting fact and I went back and verified it.  In the games before he got hurt against Philadelphia last year, Dylan Cozens was on every single powerplay and the Sabres went multiple games without a power play goal. He got hurt, missed a couple games and the Sabres scored a Powerplay goal in every game he missed. He came back and the next few games he was back on every single powerplay and they failed to score in any of those next 3-4 games.

He is a boat anchor that drags the entire team down. He needs to immediately and drastically change his play or he needs to go.

[ska-T Palmtown]

1 minute ago, Thorner said:

Oftentimes defensive talent gets developed and rounded out at the nhl level: these a guys are generally the offensive superstars in junior etc 

so there’s always been merit to that idea that these guys would see their defensive acumen develop on the big club

the reason why it’s functional for a player to learn on the job in this way is because a team will generally carefully integrate young players to a stable, veteran environment 

another course of action a team may take is to instead simply flood and overwhelm the roster with these types of players, every year, and claim they are all learning to play defence at once. This strategy works well because it perpetuates it’s own reality moving forward allowing for maximum job security 

Pros/cons

A team might win with the "sure hope they figure it out real quick" strategy (it happened like once before, so i guess it could happen again?) ... but that team would be foolish bastards to expect it.**

**ESPECIALLY when the "vets" on that team are merely survivors of (or the poor souls who failed to escape from) the aforementioned system of lunacy.

[Archie Lee]

47 minutes ago, Thorner said:

No argument for trading Power over Byram unless it’s about the fact Power nets the way bigger return or something. Because he would because he’s the far more valuable asset 

I agree that their value is not the same. I’m not interested in trading either, unless it is part of a larger strategy of improving the construction of the overall roster. 

[Pimlach]

9 hours ago, Stoner said:

Incredible.

Analytics says the Sabres have so many amaaaaazing players. Yet all they do is lose, year after year. It's all Dahlin has done for seven (?) years.

Does this not have to be taken into account? Does "season effect" get considered? Because when the seasons are new, when they're slipping away, all I see is suckitude. You got some goals and assists? A notable goals for against projected 60 5 on 5? Wonderful. You don't know how to play winning hockey.

How anyone can be married to any player on the roster? Bowen ***** Byram? Who cares.

I don't see it that way Stoner.  The analytics say we have ONE very good defenseman (Dahlin) who carries whoever he plays with.  

If a team has only one good defenseman they will lose a lot of games, which the Sabres do.   

I did some quick  research, Dahlin was out injured for a large part of the 13 game season killing losing streak.  He was gone for all the games between Dec 3 and Dec 20, and he was playing hurt prior to that.  When he came back he had 4 assists and we finally won a game.  

Take away that miserable 13 game streak, just play .500 in that space,  and the team is playing at a wildcard spot right now.  

The analytics say they if you trade Dahlin and don't replace him with a better defenseman, your team will get worse.  Chances of a real NHL team trading away a defenseman better than Dahlin is ZERO.   

The analytics and the losing streak tell me that Power and Byram did not step up.  

Should one of them be traded?  Yes, but only if the GM can make the NHL Team better right now.   No more trading for futures, get better NHL players using one or more of them  in trade. 

Which takes us to the real problem, a problem created by Pegula and his band of bad GMs.  Which is, who will come here?  

 

Edited Wednesday at 01:57 AM by Pimlach

[Stoner]

1 hour ago, Pimlach said:

I don't see it that way Stoner.  The analytics say we have ONE very good defenseman (Dahlin) who carries whoever he plays with.  

If a team has only one good defenseman they will lose a lot of games, which the Sabres do.   

I did some quick  research, Dahlin was out injured for a large part of the 13 game season killing losing streak.  He was gone for all the games between Dec 3 and Dec 20, and he was playing hurt prior to that.  When he came back he had 4 assists and we finally won a game.  

Take away that miserable 13 game streak, just play .500 in that space,  and the team is playing at a wildcard spot right now.  

The analytics say they if you trade Dahlin and don't replace him with a better defenseman, your team will get worse.  Chances of a real NHL team trading away a defenseman better than Dahlin is ZERO.   

The analytics and the losing streak tell me that Power and Byram did not step up.  

Should one of them be traded?  Yes, but only if the GM can make the NHL better right now.   No more trading for futures, get better NHL players using one or more of them  in trade. 

Which takes us to the real problem, a problem created by Pegula and his band of bad GMs.  Which is, who will come here?  

 

You missed my snark. I replied to another poster who also did so. I am not going to chew my cabbage thrice. Chew your cabbage thrice, come down with head lice.

So we can't trade our best players, because without them we won't win, but with them we already don't?

[Stoner]

Root for the crest on the front and not the name on the back.

Given that what the crest represents is almost gone, it's no wonder we're down to player fanbois.

That is what Terry has truly sown.

Sad!

Edited Wednesday at 12:15 AM by Stoner

[Pimlach]

2 hours ago, Stoner said:

You missed my snark. I replied to another poster who also did so. I am not going to chew my cabbage thrice. Chew your cabbage thrice, come down with head lice.

So we can't trade our best players, because without them we won't win, but with them we already don't?

 

 

 

 

[Pimlach]

On 2/18/2025 at 2:33 PM, ska-T Palmtown said:

The thing that has stuck out to me the most in the very good games of the 4 Nations tourney ... how effing good the forward groups are at playing defense.

The US PK and 6v5 against Canada were freeze frame CLINICS on how to aggressively defend while maintaining positional accountability. 

Whether at even strength, PK, or the dreaded extra attacker, Buffalo's forwards seems to consistently chase the puck too much and pick the worst times to do it. 

I have a very strong suspicion that the Sabres could acquire the much desired two "shut down D" and unless our forwards learn their GD d-zone responsibilities, the overall team D would not improve that much. Teams have learned if they overload the Sabres down low, (pick a forward, they all do it) will leave the zone too early or stay too high and they will eventually find a way to force Power (or any other whipping boy) to try to cover two players at once. 

The biggest thing a defender had to do in front on the net is tie up the other player's stick. It is that simple. Forget all this old-school BS about clearing the front and "put him on his arse", sure those are nice - but control the stick, control the player. If a defender has to keep their eyes on TWO players on opposite sides of their body, they are at such a disadvantage in terms of how to do that. If the opposing team has three players in front of the net and the Sabres only have two either a forward has completely blown their assignment or they are "strategically" trying to cut off a pass (zone concepts and "overloading" the puck in the d-zone seem to be quite in right now).

I just don't think it is fair to evaluate any of Sabres D-men completely on this team with such a poor defensive set of forwards.

Especially Eichel.  He will get some Hart Trophy votes. 

Edited yesterday at 03:54 AM by Pimlach

[Sabres Fan in NS]

No.

[EM88]

On 2/18/2025 at 3:33 PM, ska-T Palmtown said:

The thing that has stuck out to me the most in the very good games of the 4 Nations tourney ... how effing good the forward groups are at playing defense.

The US PK and 6v5 against Canada were freeze frame CLINICS on how to aggressively defend while maintaining positional accountability. 

Whether at even strength, PK, or the dreaded extra attacker, Buffalo's forwards seems to consistently chase the puck too much and pick the worst times to do it. 

I have a very strong suspicion that the Sabres could acquire the much desired two "shut down D" and unless our forwards learn their GD d-zone responsibilities, the overall team D would not improve that much. Teams have learned if they overload the Sabres down low, (pick a forward, they all do it) will leave the zone too early or stay too high and they will eventually find a way to force Power (or any other whipping boy) to try to cover two players at once. 

The biggest thing a defender had to do in front on the net is tie up the other player's stick. It is that simple. Forget all this old-school BS about clearing the front and "put him on his arse", sure those are nice - but control the stick, control the player. If a defender has to keep their eyes on TWO players on opposite sides of their body, they are at such a disadvantage in terms of how to do that. If the opposing team has three players in front of the net and the Sabres only have two either a forward has completely blown their assignment or they are "strategically" trying to cut off a pass (zone concepts and "overloading" the puck in the d-zone seem to be quite in right now).

I just don't think it is fair to evaluate any of Sabres D-men completely on this team with such a poor defensive set of forwards.

100% agree.

Going into this season I put a lot of the Sabres woes on the Defensemen. Some of the posts like the above helped me to see things differently when I watch replays.

Often times it looks like our D-men are woefully out of position or do not make plays they should. However as pointed out by many of you, they get very little help from the forwards. Worse yet, the D-men are out of position because our Forwards like Cozens and Quinn and Krebs and Peterka are late getting back or are so out of position, that our D-men have to play things half-way and cover for the negligent forward play.

The Defense on this team certainly is not elite. But they are much better than many give credit to.  I do believe Krebs has improved from my list of above. But the other three, Cozens and Quinn mostly and sometimes Peterka:  If they were replaced with forwards that were just average in terms of defensive coverage, our defense unit would look downright above-average.

[mjd1001]

5 hours ago, EM88 said:

100% agree.

Going into this season I put a lot of the Sabres woes on the Defensemen. Some of the posts like the above helped me to see things differently when I watch replays.

Often times it looks like our D-men are woefully out of position or do not make plays they should. However as pointed out by many of you, they get very little help from the forwards. Worse yet, the D-men are out of position because our Forwards like Cozens and Quinn and Krebs and Peterka are late getting back or are so out of position, that our D-men have to play things half-way and cover for the negligent forward play.

The Defense on this team certainly is not elite. But they are much better than many give credit to.  I do believe Krebs has improved from my list of above. But the other three, Cozens and Quinn mostly and sometimes Peterka:  If they were replaced with forwards that were just average in terms of defensive coverage, our defense unit would look downright above-average.

Some of us have been saying that for.....2 years now?

Take a look at some of the Sabres "Worst" D-men over the last 2 seasons:

Connor Clifton: in 442 minutes on ice where Dylan Cozen is numbers are CONSIRABLY worse than his numbers in the 1200+ minute with ANYONE else other than Cozens out there.

Clifton Corsi% with Cozens: 43.71 (Awful), without Cozens 49.67(about average.) Fenwick% with Cozens 43.47 (awful), without Cozens 49.42 (about average). Shotsfor% with Cozens 44.27 (awful), without Cozens 49.12 (close to average).  The most important analytic, actual goals for vs allowed % with Cozens 46.34..... without Cozens 55.05 (a really good number).

Even strength, Clifton is a minus player when sharing the ice with Cozens.  In over 1200 minutes where Cozens is not on the ice, he is a +11 even strength over the last 2 years..

This year a goal is scored against the Sabres every 16 minutes when Clifton is on the ice with Cozens.  When Clifton is on the ice with ANYONE else this year, a goal is scored once every 26 minutes. How about the last 2 seasons combined?  a goal allowed every 20 minutes with Cozens, without Cozens its every 26.5 minutes.

Clifton, Bryson, Samuelsson, Dahlin, they all show considerably better numbers similar to the above. If you take out last year and look just at the smaller sample size of this year, the numbers are similar. 

The only 2 guys that I found that are slightly different are Power and Jokijarju. Their advanced numbers are more 'even' with and without Cozens and Quinn, but still not better.

Look.....we don't need analytics to know that there are a group of forwards, led by Cozens and Quinn, that don't know how to play in their own end and hang the D-men out to dry every single game, almost every single shift if given the opportunity. The mistakes are visible to the naked eye and they happen alot with those 2 compared to even the rest of the forwards.

What the advanced numbers DO show us is that, in some pretty large sample sizes, the numbers show that the team is a lot better....a POSITIVE team, probably a playoff team when 3-4 forwards are removed from the equation.  As you mentioned....take Cozens and Quinn off of this team, and even our 2nd and 3rd pair D-men are pretty darn near good enough to be a playoff level 2nd or 3rd pair.

A good veteran 2nd pair D-man would help this team a lot. What would help it more? Cozens and Quinn removed from this team and replaced with guys....even 'lesser talented' guys who play just AVERAGE without the puck.   My opinion is that with just those 2 changes this would be a playoff team, and most of the analytics show that is probably true and supported by a lot of the numbers.

 

Edited 20 hours ago by mjd1001

[LGR4GM]

Add to that they keep playing Cozens on the PP even thought every single metric you want to consult says it is a terrible idea. Cozens is another example like Samuelsson, of Adams and Terry having favorites and just ignoring the short comings. Krebs was this for a bit but thankfully Peyton found a role and settled in. 

[mjd1001]

2 hours ago, LGR4GM said:

Add to that they keep playing Cozens on the PP even thought every single metric you want to consult says it is a terrible idea. Cozens is another example like Samuelsson, of Adams and Terry having favorites and just ignoring the short comings. Krebs was this for a bit but thankfully Peyton found a role and settled in. 

From what I have seen, Statistically Cozens being 'on the ice' in terms of advanced analytics doesn't really help or hurt the team. He's a non-factor as far as does he help or hurt the other 4 guys on the ice.

The issue is he is wasting that spot in terms of his pure production.  Of all the forwards over the last few years across the entire league that have as much PP time as Cozens (there are a bit over 100 players with significant minutes on the PP over the last 3 years), he is dead last in terms of goals, and in the bottom 2 or 3 in terms of PP points.  So yeah, his usage on the PP is baffling.

He's on every single powerplay and he gets 1 PP goal every 28 games.  Take Greenway or even call up Brett Murray, have those guys stand in front of the net as a screen and they would probably get more PP goals just by deflections going in off of them.

-Edit-  With his last PP goal, he is no longer last.  Out of 102 forwards with over 750 minute of PP ice time over his career, Cozens is not 101st out of 102 in terms of PP goals.  Ryan Strome has 1 less, but I think that doesn't even count as Strome has a LOT more assists than Cozens and less chance for goals because he is used on the point a lot, basically playing on the PP as the 2nd d-man. Want to count PP total points? Again, he is 101st out of 102 guys there.

On a side note about Wing vs Center for Cozens....Natural Stat Trick has Cozens playing 28minutes and 2 seconds at wing this year 5 on 5 (with Krebs at center for all of that time). In that time on the ice even strength, the team allowed one goal...so 1 goal allowed every 28.0 minutes. 

At center Cozens has 676 minutes and 29 seconds even strength at Center this year. 1 goal allowed every 18.3 minutes.  That is a big difference...although a very small sample size.  I'd give him a few games/weeks at wing with Krebs and see if those numbers continue. Get him off the PP, put him at wing with Krebs and see how it goes.

For reference, the team as a whole allows about 1 even strength goal every 21.9 minutes.

Edited 23 hours ago by mjd1001

[dudacek]

3 hours ago, mjd1001 said:

Some of us have been saying that for.....2 years now?

Take a look at some of the Sabres "Worst" D-men over the last 2 seasons:

Connor Clifton: in 442 minutes on ice where Dylan Cozen is numbers are CONSIRABLY worse than his numbers in the 1200+ minute with ANYONE else other than Cozens out there.

Clifton Corsi% with Cozens: 43.71 (Awful), without Cozens 49.67(about average.) Fenwick% with Cozens 43.47 (awful), without Cozens 49.42 (about average). Shotsfor% with Cozens 44.27 (awful), without Cozens 49.12 (close to average).  The most important analytic, actual goals for vs allowed % with Cozens 46.34..... without Cozens 55.05 (a really good number).

Even strength, Clifton is a minus player when sharing the ice with Cozens.  In over 1200 minutes where Cozens is not on the ice, he is a +11 even strength over the last 2 years..

This year a goal is scored against the Sabres every 16 minutes when Clifton is on the ice with Cozens.  When Clifton is on the ice with ANYONE else this year, a goal is scored once every 26 minutes. How about the last 2 seasons combined?  a goal allowed every 20 minutes with Cozens, without Cozens its every 26.5 minutes.

Clifton, Bryson, Samuelsson, Dahlin, they all show considerably better numbers similar to the above. If you take out last year and look just at the smaller sample size of this year, the numbers are similar. 

The only 2 guys that I found that are slightly different are Power and Jokijarju. Their advanced numbers are more 'even' with and without Cozens and Quinn, but still not better.

Look.....we don't need analytics to know that there are a group of forwards, led by Cozens and Quinn, that don't know how to play in their own end and hang the D-men out to dry every single game, almost every single shift if given the opportunity.

What the advanced numbers DO show us is that, in some pretty large sample sizes, the numbers show that the team is a lot better....a POSITIVE team, probably a playoff team when 3-4 forwards are removed from the equation.  As you mentioned....take Cozens and Quinn off of this team, and even our 2nd and 3rd pair D-men are pretty darn near good enough to be a playoff level 2nd or 3rd pair.

A good veteran 2nd pair D-man would help this team a lot. What would help it more? Cozens and Quinn removed from this team and replaced with guys....even 'lesser talented' guys who play even AVERAGE without the puck.   My opinion is that with just those 2 changes this would be a playoff team, and most of the analytics show that is probably true and supported by a lot of the numbers.

 

Your work on this has been exemplary over the past year.

Appreciate the effort you've put in.

What my eye test has shown is how often plays have died when the puck is on the stick of Cozens and Quinn: bad passes, pucks skated into traffic.

Defencemen look bad because pucks that should exit the zone don't and they have to defend more than they should. Forwards look bad because they get stuck in no man's land when a puck unexpectedly turns over or doesn't go where it should and the play is launched in another direction.

I think there is a pretty good case to be made that if the Sabres had a more reliable "2nd line" that wasn't weighing everyone else down and a good power play they'd be in the playoff race.

Those two are certainly prominent in both those areas.

Edited 22 hours ago by dudacek

[mjd1001]

12 minutes ago, dudacek said:

What my eye test has shown is how often plays have died when the puck is on the stick of Cozens and Quinn: bad passes, pucks skated into traffic.

Defencemen look bad because pucks that should exit the zone don't and they have to defend more than they should. Forwards look bad because they get stuck in no man's land when a puck unexpectedly turns over or doesn't go where it should and the play is launched in another direction.

 

This is not the only one, but one of my all time favorite Cozens zone exits...

 

Edited 22 hours ago by mjd1001

[EM88]

4 minutes ago, mjd1001 said:

This is not the only one, but one of my all time favorite Cozens zone exits...

 

What was his goal there? What did he think he was going to accomplish surrounded by a bunch of other players, putting the puck between his legs in his own zone.  Seriously, what was he thinking?

A highlight reel of the dozen-or-so plays by Cozens each year should be made.

If he does get traded, and the fanbase of the team he is traded to thinks they got over the on the Sabres by getting Cozens in deal, that highlight reel should be sent to their message board.

Edited 22 hours ago by EM88

[pi2000]

On 2/18/2025 at 12:03 PM, Stoner said:

He's among many highly touted young players. Are these players not the problem? The Sabres are close to being the NHL's worst team. There's a huge disconnect somewhere.

We want to finger Terry (gross), insert name of GM (gross) or blame the coach, but maybe these players just flat out can't play winning hockey.

I bet the 75 Caps had some talented players.

If you're going to use someone as scapegoat, Byram isn't the guy.   

Take your pick from Cozens, Quinn and Power, but fact is they're a much better team with Byram on the ice.

==============================================================
BUF even strength goal differential through 54 games = -5
BUF even strength minutes played through 54 games = 2743.27
exp+/- is a function of %min played at ES and team ES goal diff
TRpm(team relative +/-) is the diff btwn actual+/- and exp+/-
%min is % of ES minutes played
==============================================================
Team  Player                   TRpm    GP   +/-   exp+/-  %min
BUF Alex Tuch                 16.49    54    15   -1.49   29.7
BUF Ryan McLeod               11.26    51    10   -1.26   25.3
BUF Bowen Byram               10.97    54     9   -1.97   39.4
BUF Rasmus Dahlin              6.72    46     5   -1.72   34.3
BUF Tage Thompson              5.37    48     4   -1.37   27.4
BUF Henri Jokiharju            4.11    39     3   -1.11   22.1
BUF Jason Zucker               3.26    52     2   -1.26   25.2
BUF Connor Clifton             2.08    48     1   -1.08   21.6
BUF Jiri Kulich                1.94    40     1   -0.94   18.8
BUF Jordan Greenway           -0.53    20    -1   -0.47    9.4
BUF Zach Benson               -0.93    48    -2   -1.07   21.3
BUF Mattias Samuelsson        -1.00    35    -2   -1.00   20.0
BUF Jacob Bryson              -1.21    33    -2   -0.79   15.7
BUF Tyson Kozak               -1.80    11    -2   -0.20    4.0
BUF JJ Peterka                -3.58    52    -5   -1.42   28.4
BUF Dennis Gilbert            -3.66    20    -4   -0.34    6.7
BUF Peyton Krebs              -3.79    53    -5   -1.21   24.2
BUF Sam Lafferty              -5.35    39    -6   -0.65   13.0
BUF Beck Malenstyn            -7.19    50    -8   -0.81   16.2
BUF Owen Power                -8.17    54   -10   -1.83   36.6
BUF Jack Quinn               -15.92    47   -17   -1.08   21.6
BUF Dylan Cozens             -16.60    54   -18   -1.40   28.0
==============================================================

 

[Crusader1969]

On 2/17/2025 at 7:11 PM, Two or less said:

Where does it say that? I don't see anywhere in there Frank saying this.

Exactly.  

[Pimlach]

47 minutes ago, pi2000 said:

If you're going to use someone as scapegoat, Byram isn't the guy.   

Take your pick from Cozens, Quinn and Power, but fact is they're a much better team with Byram on the ice.

==============================================================
BUF even strength goal differential through 54 games = -5
BUF even strength minutes played through 54 games = 2743.27
exp+/- is a function of %min played at ES and team ES goal diff
TRpm(team relative +/-) is the diff btwn actual+/- and exp+/-
%min is % of ES minutes played
==============================================================
Team  Player                   TRpm    GP   +/-   exp+/-  %min
BUF Alex Tuch                 16.49    54    15   -1.49   29.7
BUF Ryan McLeod               11.26    51    10   -1.26   25.3
BUF Bowen Byram               10.97    54     9   -1.97   39.4
BUF Rasmus Dahlin              6.72    46     5   -1.72   34.3
BUF Tage Thompson              5.37    48     4   -1.37   27.4
BUF Henri Jokiharju            4.11    39     3   -1.11   22.1
BUF Jason Zucker               3.26    52     2   -1.26   25.2
BUF Connor Clifton             2.08    48     1   -1.08   21.6
BUF Jiri Kulich                1.94    40     1   -0.94   18.8
BUF Jordan Greenway           -0.53    20    -1   -0.47    9.4
BUF Zach Benson               -0.93    48    -2   -1.07   21.3
BUF Mattias Samuelsson        -1.00    35    -2   -1.00   20.0
BUF Jacob Bryson              -1.21    33    -2   -0.79   15.7
BUF Tyson Kozak               -1.80    11    -2   -0.20    4.0
BUF JJ Peterka                -3.58    52    -5   -1.42   28.4
BUF Dennis Gilbert            -3.66    20    -4   -0.34    6.7
BUF Peyton Krebs              -3.79    53    -5   -1.21   24.2
BUF Sam Lafferty              -5.35    39    -6   -0.65   13.0
BUF Beck Malenstyn            -7.19    50    -8   -0.81   16.2
BUF Owen Power                -8.17    54   -10   -1.83   36.6
BUF Jack Quinn               -15.92    47   -17   -1.08   21.6
BUF Dylan Cozens             -16.60    54   -18   -1.40   28.0
==============================================================

 

Agree.  Cozens, Quinn and Power are all tradable for various and multiple reasons. 

[JohnC]

7 hours ago, Pimlach said:

Agree.  Cozens, Quinn and Power are all tradable for various and multiple reasons. 

Put Cozens on wing where he is more suited. He doesn't have the required center instincts.

I'm resolute in my position that Power is going to be a top tier defenseman in this league. Patience is required.

With respect to Quinn, I don't know what happened to him. Not long ago, I thought that he was a better prospect than JJP. He seems to have lost his confidence and has become subsumed in a losing environment. 

The systemic dysfunction in this wretched organization has infected a number of players.  That angers me more than the underperformance of any one player. This stultifying environment breeds failure. What happens when Dahlin says I have had enough? I don't want to be stuck in thin sinkhole while I watch my peers have success. Get me the f......k out of here!

Edited 2 hours ago by JohnC