Does this guy have any credibility at all?

[Jorcus]

From Frank Seravalli stating the Sabres are disappointed in Byram. First I have heard of that one.

https://www.yardbarker.com/nhl/articles/colorado_avalanche_buffalo_sabres_both_reportedly_regret_past_trade_between_teams/s1_17636_41766687 

[JoeSchmoe]

He hasn't been great. He just looks good now because he's playing with Dahlin. Everybody takes a MAJOR bump when they play with Dahlin and we've got the Samuelson long-term deadweight contract to prove it.

Edit: Here's the expected goal stats.

Edited Monday at 10:40 PM by JoeSchmoe

[PerreaultForever]

I'm disappointed we traded for him. He's like Dahlin-lite. Sometimes looks similar, but also kind of something missing. As I've said before he just wasn't what we needed. We already have what he brings in Power. 

[dudacek]

57 minutes ago, Jorcus said:

From Frank Seravalli stating the Sabres are disappointed in Byram. First I have heard of that one.

https://www.yardbarker.com/nhl/articles/colorado_avalanche_buffalo_sabres_both_reportedly_regret_past_trade_between_teams/s1_17636_41766687 

I’d look for seravalli’s actual quote and context first before worrying too much about it. That article provides neither a link, nor a direct quote. Seravalli is hit and miss. Yard barker has no credibility at all.

I always thought the best way to judge what a team thinks about a player is to look at his ice time.

Byram has played more minutes than any player on the Sabres this season by a pretty wide margin, and is 2nd to Dahlin in TOI per game.

Draw your own conclusions.

56 minutes ago, JoeSchmoe said:

He hasn't been great. He just looks good now because he's playing with Dahlin. Everybody takes a MAJOR bump when they play with Dahlin and we've got the Samuelson long-term deadweight contract to prove it.

Edit: Here's the expected goal stats.

Not sure when expected goals became the final arbiter of a player’s worth.

He’s also +8 despite playing some of the hardest minutes on a last-place team, while sitting tied for 7th in the entire NHL in ES points by a defenceman, with 27.

His peers in the latter stat are Theodore, Morrisey, Karlsson, Dahlin, Toews, Hedman, Fox and Carlson who are all between 29 and 24.

If you are literally using “hasn’t been great” to mean “he’s no Dahlin” then I agree. 

But to the point of the post, Byram is having a career year and has been the Sabres 3rd or 4th best player.

If the team is disappointed in his play, what the hell did they think they were getting?

[SABRES 0311]

1 hour ago, Jorcus said:

From Frank Seravalli stating the Sabres are disappointed in Byram. First I have heard of that one.

https://www.yardbarker.com/nhl/articles/colorado_avalanche_buffalo_sabres_both_reportedly_regret_past_trade_between_teams/s1_17636_41766687 

More like KA disappointed he has a guy who actually earned a bigger contract compared to Power and Cozens. This means to keep Byram he has less money to woefully overpay talent to come to Buffalo. Tertiary effect is without that money his job security diminished.

Just my conspiracy theory with no evidence.

[Two or less]

1 hour ago, Jorcus said:

From Frank Seravalli stating the Sabres are disappointed in Byram. First I have heard of that one.

https://www.yardbarker.com/nhl/articles/colorado_avalanche_buffalo_sabres_both_reportedly_regret_past_trade_between_teams/s1_17636_41766687 

Where does it say that? I don't see anywhere in there Frank saying this.

[GoPuckYourself]

He's the 2nd highest scoring defensemen on the team , I highly doubt they wouldn't make that trade again. We dont need him to be a top scoring defensemen on the same line as Dahlin just be a solid defender. If I had to choose I'd take Byram over Power in a heart beat, Powers game infuriates me every time I see him out there not taking anyone while 2 players are parked in fron of our goalie. Also Byrams +9 leads all of our  defensemen as well.

Edited Tuesday at 12:23 AM by GoPuckYourself

[Jorcus]

13 minutes ago, Two or less said:

Where does it say that? I don't see anywhere in there Frank saying this.

I was equating the word regret in the title with disappointment. In spite of conflicting evaluations of Byrams play Is there really someone in the Sabres organization putting out the word that they are disappointed? Where is that reporter getting this from?

[msw2112]

The article is a bit odd.  The title indicates that both teams regret the trade, then goes on to say how poorly Mittlestadt has been while then saying how good Byram has been.  The author does more or less indicate that it's odd that the Sabres would have regret, given how well Byram has played.

[JohnC]

1 hour ago, PerreaultForever said:

I'm disappointed we traded for him. He's like Dahlin-lite. Sometimes looks similar, but also kind of something missing. As I've said before he just wasn't what we needed. We already have what he brings in Power. 

Byram plays well with Dahlin on the first pairing. That's something to be positive about. However, that doesn't mean that the front office shouldn't add a more rugged veteran defensive blueliner to the unit. He's a plus player who not only works well with Dahlin but also can play on one of the PP units. Getting another first pairing caliber player is tough to come by. When you already have that type of player on the team to play with your best player, then it is better to keep him in the fold and address another roster deficiency.

This flailing franchise has a history of creating holes and then having to go back and fill it. That's why this franchise has been stuck in mediocrity for so long. That self-defeating behavior has to stop. It's time to add more talent, not subtract it.  

[Flashsabre]

Byram has played well. The problem is the contract he will want.

The problem with trading him is that you then need 2 top 4 Dmen. 

[JohnC]

2 minutes ago, Flashsabre said:

Byram has played well. The problem is the contract he will want.

The problem with trading him is that you then need 2 top 4 Dmen. 

If Bryam plays like a first pairing defender, he will get first pairing money. It won't be cheap because first pairing players usually have sizeable contracts. The cap is going up. Paying the market rate is the cost of doing business. Why create another hole on the blueline when you have a player that already fits a need?

[JoeSchmoe]

1 hour ago, dudacek said:

He’s also +8 despite playing some of the hardest minutes on a last-place team, while sitting tied for 7th in the entire NHL in ES points by a defenceman, with 27.

This is the Dahlin effect. He was one of our worst guys statistically prior to playing with him. The worst thing we can do is hand him another Power contract because he's playing with one of the league's best defensemen.

[JohnC]

11 minutes ago, JoeSchmoe said:

This is the Dahlin effect. He was one of our worst guys statistically prior to playing with him. The worst thing we can do is hand him another Power contract because he's playing with one of the league's best defensemen.

Byram and Dahlin play well together. Each player is a good fit for one another. Bryam's style of play meshes well with Dahlin's, and not so well with the other defenders.  These players combined are two of our most effective players. What you see as a problem is not what I consider to be a problem. 

[Night Train]

Deal Muel and Power.Bad contracts. Sign Byram. 

[JoeSchmoe]

2 hours ago, JohnC said:

Byram and Dahlin play well together. Each player is a good fit for one another. Bryam's style of play meshes well with Dahlin's, and not so well with the other defenders.  These players combined are two of our most effective players. What you see as a problem is not what I consider to be a problem. 

Dahlin-Byram = good

Dahlin-Bryson = good

Dahlin-Power = good

Dahlin-Samuelson = good

Byram-anyone besides Dahlin = not so good

Edited Tuesday at 04:28 AM by JoeSchmoe

[GASabresIUFAN]

Power is worse.

I've said this in the Power or Byram thread, but one of them needs to be traded. 

[7+6=13]

10 minutes ago, GASabresIUFAN said:

Power is worse.

I've said this in the Power or Byram thread, but one of them needs to be traded. 

This is really smart.  You'll get very little in return for the 22 year old Power and even less for Byram.  We should definitely trade one of them.

[Archie Lee]

38 minutes ago, 7+6=13 said:

This is really smart.  You'll get very little in return for the 22 year old Power and even less for Byram.  We should definitely trade one of them.

I think there are sound arguments for keeping Byram and Power and also for trading one of them.  I don’t know why you think we would get very little in return for either player. I think both would be sought after if the Sabres made them available.

[7+6=13]

38 minutes ago, Archie Lee said:

I think there are sound arguments for keeping Byram and Power and also for trading one of them.  I don’t know why you think we would get very little in return for either player. I think both would be sought after if the Sabres made them available.

I don't think you're getting a better player in return.  To me that's very little with Power because he's not played well and has a large contract.  It won't be anywhere near enough because his potential is still massive.

 

Byram isn't under contract and needs one, so teams aren't giving you plenty, then having to figure that out.

I don't necessarily mean you'll get nothing, I just don't think the return will be commensurate with their current value to our own team.  I'm not willing to lose either player and lose on the trade too.

[PerreaultForever]

4 hours ago, JohnC said:

Byram plays well with Dahlin on the first pairing. That's something to be positive about. However, that doesn't mean that the front office shouldn't add a more rugged veteran defensive blueliner to the unit. He's a plus player who not only works well with Dahlin but also can play on one of the PP units. Getting another first pairing caliber player is tough to come by. When you already have that type of player on the team to play with your best player, then it is better to keep him in the fold and address another roster deficiency.

This flailing franchise has a history of creating holes and then having to go back and fill it. That's why this franchise has been stuck in mediocrity for so long. That self-defeating behavior has to stop. It's time to add more talent, not subtract it.  

But we've already got Power for PP2. How many of the same guy do you need? I do not believe you want more than 2 of these offensively skilled D men. Two is what you want. One of Byram or Power should be traded. 

[Pimlach]

7 hours ago, 7+6=13 said:

I don't think you're getting a better player in return.  To me that's very little with Power because he's not played well and has a large contract.  It won't be anywhere near enough because his potential is still massive.

 

Byram isn't under contract and needs one, so teams aren't giving you plenty, then having to figure that out.

I don't necessarily mean you'll get nothing, I just don't think the return will be commensurate with their current value to our own team.  I'm not willing to lose either player and lose on the trade too.

Power will be the next Sabre to go somewhere else and then become a very good player while playing in a better environment.   He could fetch a lot in a trade.   Teams need (and covet) puck moving offensive defensemen and he was leading all defenseman in points while playing 5v5 for parts of this season.   He was playing good hockey prior to the big losing streak.   The Sabres just do not have a solid partner for him.  

Dahlin, Power, Byram all have a similar game.  Dahlin is clearly the one you keep.    

A good GM could improve the overall team by trading either one of Byram or Power.  Power is the one I would keep for another season, but if the return for him is right and it fills major holes with immediate help then move him and keep Byram - but don’t offer him a long term big contract, he is still a prove it guy  

The bolded is Kevyn Adams kind of thinking and it’s exactly why he fails as a GM.  It’s not about winning trades, it about building a balanced NHL roster.  

[Doohicksie]

11 hours ago, msw2112 said:

The article is a bit odd.  The title indicates that both teams regret the trade, then goes on to say how poorly Mittlestadt has been while then saying how good Byram has been.  The author does more or less indicate that it's odd that the Sabres would have regret, given how well Byram has played.

Maybe someone heard that someone on the Sabres wishes they still had Mitts?

[Doohicksie]

9 hours ago, JoeSchmoe said:

Dahlin-Byram = good

Dahlin-Bryson = good

Dahlin-Power = good

Dahlin-Samuelson = good

Byram-anyone besides Dahlin = not so good

Power - Bryson = good

[JohnC]

7 hours ago, PerreaultForever said:

But we've already got Power for PP2. How many of the same guy do you need? I do not believe you want more than 2 of these offensively skilled D men. Two is what you want. One of Byram or Power should be traded. 

If Byram is better than Power on PP2, then play him there. You don't need to trade either one of these players even if one of them is supplanted on the PP unit. As almost everyone agrees, it makes a lot of sense to bring in a more rugged to the unit. That doesn't mean any of the two mentioned players have to be moved. It's time this hollow organization realize that it needs to add talent, not subtract it.