LGR4GM Posted March 18 Author Report Posted March 18 1 hour ago, SABRES 0311 said: So you think it’s propaganda to say Russia could roll over Ukraine? There’s this thing called NATO. It consists of a many countries who feel they need to band together to deter Russian aggression. You don’t do that for a country like Ukraine. Putin would love a ceasefire as they come out of winter. Consolidation is a part of every offensive. I think Russia being able to steamroller Ukraine when it has been unable to is Russian Propaganda. If they could, they would have. Your NATO point is either irrelevant or mixing in some new idea but it's unclear. I already said putin wants a ceasefire to re-arm and train more troops.
SABRES 0311 Posted March 18 Report Posted March 18 9 minutes ago, LGR4GM said: I think Russia being able to steamroller Ukraine when it has been unable to is Russian Propaganda. If they could, they would have. Your NATO point is either irrelevant or mixing in some new idea but it's unclear. I already said putin wants a ceasefire to re-arm and train more troops. You think it’s irrelevant an entire organization exists to deter Russian aggression and that it’s propaganda to say Russia’s military capabilities far exceed Ukraine’s. 😂 😂
LGR4GM Posted March 18 Author Report Posted March 18 1 minute ago, SABRES 0311 said: You think it’s irrelevant an entire organization exists to deter Russian aggression and that it’s propaganda to say Russia’s military capabilities far exceed Ukraine’s. 😂 😂 No but you're not interested in talking. You've got some agenda. You're also changing what I said. I said Russia can't roll over Ukraine, otherwise they would have.
SABRES 0311 Posted March 18 Report Posted March 18 1 minute ago, LGR4GM said: No but you're not interested in talking. You've got some agenda. That’s very Alex Jones sounding. You think it’s propaganda to say Russia could roll over Ukraine one on one. Get with the reality of the situation. Russia knows if they cross a line then they would get their ***** handed to them by the whole of NATO so they are pushing to the edge without forcing the invocation of article 5. They are trying to force the establishment of a DMZ in eastern Ukraine. Their demand will be no NATO weapons, forces, or membership in Ukraine. The fact people think throwing money at the issue will change Russia holding Crimea and the lands in the east is laughable.
LGR4GM Posted March 18 Author Report Posted March 18 1 minute ago, SABRES 0311 said: That’s very Alex Jones sounding. You think it’s propaganda to say Russia could roll over Ukraine one on one. Get with the reality of the situation. Russia knows if they cross a line then they would get their ***** handed to them by the whole of NATO so they are pushing to the edge without forcing the invocation of article 5. They are trying to force the establishment of a DMZ in eastern Ukraine. Their demand will be no NATO weapons, forces, or membership in Ukraine. The fact people think throwing money at the issue will change Russia holding Crimea and the lands in the east is laughable. Never said 1 v 1. Now you're editorializing. I think Ukraine can hold what they currently have with western support, not troops.
SABRES 0311 Posted March 18 Report Posted March 18 1 minute ago, LGR4GM said: Never said 1 v 1. Now you're editorializing. I think Ukraine can hold what they currently have with western support, not troops. Holding and retaking are two different things. If Russia simply goes into the defense to hold the terrain it has taken them what? It’s not a vast area and they have a direct supply line back to the Russian mainland.
LGR4GM Posted March 18 Author Report Posted March 18 4 minutes ago, SABRES 0311 said: Holding and retaking are two different things. If Russia simply goes into the defense to hold the terrain it has taken them what? It’s not a vast area and they have a direct supply line back to the Russian mainland. They'll only do that for a time. Putin wants expansion.
SABRES 0311 Posted March 18 Report Posted March 18 5 minutes ago, LGR4GM said: They'll only do that for a time. Putin wants expansion. That’s not what I think he wants. He wants a DMZ like China wants a maritime buffer in the Spratley Islands. Two different areas but same idea. It supports their respective defenses and helps with planning future operations.
Demoted Posted March 18 Report Posted March 18 1 hour ago, SABRES 0311 said: Being in favor of dragging the war on for any reason means to be in favor of sacrificing lives and infrastructure. Hard to think of anyone in a position of power to care about such things. That is all expendable in the eyes of the ones that matter.
SABRES 0311 Posted March 18 Report Posted March 18 7 minutes ago, Demoted said: Hard to think of anyone in a position of power to care about such things. That is all expendable in the eyes of the ones that matter. True. But I do believe the Sun Tzu idea of no nation ever benefited from prolonged war. Maybe in the short term economically and national morale. Still, that’s young men and women’s lives. IMO war should be the last resort and gain must outweigh the risk. 1
LGR4GM Posted March 19 Author Report Posted March 19 You read that correctly. If putin doesn't get everything he wants, he'll go after more. I'd encourage everyone to study Hitler from 1936-1939.
K-9 Posted March 19 Report Posted March 19 (edited) 1 hour ago, LGR4GM said: You read that correctly. If putin doesn't get everything he wants, he'll go after more. I'd encourage everyone to study Hitler from 1936-1939. We are too ignorant of history and too stupid to understand it even if we weren’t. But Eastern European and other European NATO countries aren’t. Especially Poland and Czechia whose people remember the Russian tanks rolling into their homelands. It sucks for Ukraine, but these countries will not watch while Russia rolls westward thru Ukraine. Instead, they will make Ukraine the battlefield before Russia can get close enough. They have ZERO reason to have ANY faith in what Putin says. None. At. All. And fuhrer Trump and gruppenfuhrer Musk can’t do anything about that. Edited March 19 by K-9
Demoted Posted March 19 Report Posted March 19 "Those who cannot remember the past are condemned to repeat it," - George Santayana 2
Demoted Posted March 20 Report Posted March 20 Trump_ "Russia didn't respect Biden, didn't respect Obama. That is why he ignored the ceasefire. He won't do that with me." Not more than a few hours after the phone call with Putin where Trump said he would not attack energy infrastructure or civilian infrastructure, he sent 150 Russian drones to attack Ukraines energy infrastructure. Any MAGA want to tell me why Putin doesn't "respect" Trump like Trump said he would?
SwampD Posted March 20 Report Posted March 20 14 hours ago, Demoted said: "Those who cannot remember the past are condemned to repeat it," - George Santayana “Those who deny the past want to repeat it.” - SwampD 2
K-9 Posted March 20 Report Posted March 20 3 hours ago, Demoted said: Trump_ "Russia didn't respect Biden, didn't respect Obama. That is why he ignored the ceasefire. He won't do that with me." Not more than a few hours after the phone call with Putin where Trump said he would not attack energy infrastructure or civilian infrastructure, he sent 150 Russian drones to attack Ukraines energy infrastructure. Any MAGA want to tell me why Putin doesn't "respect" Trump like Trump said he would? Trump has been on the Russian payroll since his visit there in 1987 with his first wife, Ivanka. He had already had several bankruptcies and US banks would no longer lend him money, which he was extremely hard up for. Enter Russian oligarchs and known Russian mafia gangsters, who conveniently rented apartments in Trump Tower in Manhattan. Trump used to brag about how he never had to use his own money in business, but bank loans instead. Overnight, his business went from a credit model to a strictly cash model. They had to muzzle Eric because he bragged about that fact. It’s also worth noting that the first time Trump publicly criticized NATO was after that 1987 Russian visit. Only idiots think that is mere coincidence.
Demoted Posted March 20 Report Posted March 20 (edited) https://kyivindependent.com/kremlin-demands-to-stop-supplying-military-intelligence-aid-to-ukraine-announces-new-prisoner-swap/ "Kremlin demands halt to foreign military aid, intelligence to Ukraine as condition for avoiding war escalation" So disgusting to be on the side of evil. Putin also praised Trump for "striving to promote the noble goal of ending hostilities and the loss of life." When Putin praises you it usually means you are doing exactly what he wants. Edited March 20 by Demoted
LGR4GM Posted March 21 Author Report Posted March 21 8 hours ago, Demoted said: https://kyivindependent.com/kremlin-demands-to-stop-supplying-military-intelligence-aid-to-ukraine-announces-new-prisoner-swap/ "Kremlin demands halt to foreign military aid, intelligence to Ukraine as condition for avoiding war escalation" So disgusting to be on the side of evil. Putin also praised Trump for "striving to promote the noble goal of ending hostilities and the loss of life." When Putin praises you it usually means you are doing exactly what he wants. Putin wants to consolidate gains, re-arm, re-train, then resume his advance. He probably hopes to accomplish that before Trump potentially leaves office.
SABRES 0311 Posted March 21 Report Posted March 21 (edited) 48 minutes ago, LGR4GM said: Putin wants to consolidate gains, re-arm, re-train, then resume his advance. He probably hopes to accomplish that before Trump potentially leaves office. Yes but a consolidation wouldn’t take four years. I’m curious why you think he wants to resume an offensive before Trump leaves office. He executed two invasions when Trump wasn’t in office. I’ll add an alternative possibility. Russia may go into a full on defensive posture. Resuming an offensive is predicated on Russia wanting to take more territory. If they want only what they have taken, they could switch to security operations instead of offensive. I don’t know but I think we’ll find out in the next couple months. Edited March 21 by SABRES 0311 1
LGR4GM Posted March 21 Author Report Posted March 21 9 hours ago, SABRES 0311 said: Yes but a consolidation wouldn’t take four years. I’m curious why you think he wants to resume an offensive before Trump leaves office. He executed two invasions when Trump wasn’t in office. I’ll add an alternative possibility. Russia may go into a full on defensive posture. Resuming an offensive is predicated on Russia wanting to take more territory. If they want only what they have taken, they could switch to security operations instead of offensive. I don’t know but I think we’ll find out in the next couple months. Because he doesn't think trump will intervene. Trumps already sided with him. Putin wants to re-arm and invade the Balkans. He'll need a land route meaning he'll find a pretext for taking more of Ukraine. 1
SABRES 0311 Posted March 21 Report Posted March 21 2 hours ago, Demoted said: It's crazy watching people defend Russia. 17 hours ago, Demoted said: Just to be clear I am very happy that Trump is in office b.c America needs to be burned to the ground and he is the guy to do it. 😂
Demoted Posted March 21 Report Posted March 21 (edited) 5 minutes ago, SABRES 0311 said: 😂 Yea the president is in bed with Putin. You wanted United States of Russia. I want it burned down so we can be what America used to be. Jan 6th was just a nice day in the capital. But me wanting a better America is illegal. It's all laughs until affects you. Edited March 21 by Demoted 1
SABRES 0311 Posted March 21 Report Posted March 21 3 hours ago, LGR4GM said: Because he doesn't think trump will intervene. Trumps already sided with him. Putin wants to re-arm and invade the Balkans. He'll need a land route meaning he'll find a pretext for taking more of Ukraine. I don’t doubt Putin wants to restore Russian borders to a Soviet era. Invading might overstretch his forces. Like I said before, one on one with Ukraine, Russia has advantages. Fighting on multiple fronts is different. However, he could try to destabilize Balkan countries to weaken them within. I don’t know the current tensions of every single country but we all know ethnic tensions have led to genocide in that part of the world. A destabilized country would be easier to invade or at the very least tie up other NATO members. How Russia could go about doing this is another discussion.
LGR4GM Posted March 21 Author Report Posted March 21 I'd trust Putin about as far as he would let me throw him. https://www.cnn.com/2025/03/21/europe/ukraine-russia-odesa-fire-trump-intl-hnk/index.html Quote The southern Ukrainian port city of Odesa was engulfed in flames late Thursday after being struck by a large-scale Russian drone attack, hours after US President Donald Trump expressed optimism about ending the war and as peace talks are set to resume on Monday. Trump – who recently held separate phone calls with Russian President Vladimir Putin and Ukraine’s leader Volodymyr Zelensky on implementing a partial ceasefire – projected optimism about reaching an end to the war on Thursday, saying “we’re doing pretty well in that regard.”
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