K-9 Posted Monday at 02:15 PM Report Posted Monday at 02:15 PM 12 hours ago, Hank said: Turns out that Obama’s team including Anthony Blinken, Victoria Nuland, Susan Rice, and Alexander Vindman advised Zelensky to reject Trump’s deal. ***** traitorous *****!! I hope Bondi can find cause to bring charges against them! Bring charges against them? On what charges specifically? Zelensky is free to seek advice from whomever he wants.
Hank Posted Monday at 03:30 PM Report Posted Monday at 03:30 PM 1 hour ago, K-9 said: Bring charges against them? On what charges specifically? Zelensky is free to seek advice from whomever he wants. Yes. He's free to take that ***** advice and watch as Putin takes his country from him. Brilliant!
K-9 Posted Monday at 04:20 PM Report Posted Monday at 04:20 PM 45 minutes ago, Hank said: Yes. He's free to take that ***** advice and watch as Putin takes his country from him. Brilliant! I already knew what you think of the quality of the advice, which is irrelevant to the question asked you. You hope she brings charges so I ask again, what charges can she bring? 1
Hank Posted Monday at 04:37 PM Report Posted Monday at 04:37 PM 14 minutes ago, K-9 said: I already knew what you think of the quality of the advice, which is irrelevant to the question asked you. You hope she brings charges so I ask again, what charges can she bring? I have no idea, she likely cannot. That's why I used the words "hope" and "can find".
LGR4GM Posted Monday at 05:20 PM Author Report Posted Monday at 05:20 PM 42 minutes ago, Hank said: I have no idea, she likely cannot. That's why I used the words "hope" and "can find". I find it disturbing you are actively wishes that the US DA manufacture charges and levee them against fellow Americans because you disagree with the advice those Americans gave to someone.
LGR4GM Posted Monday at 05:41 PM Author Report Posted Monday at 05:41 PM On 3/1/2025 at 10:29 PM, Hank said: Victor is spot on! Donald Trump and JD Vance's behavior in the televised "meeting" can only be described as pro putin and completely abhorrent. It was obvious to any impartial observers that the attack was planned and devised as a way to show "strength" from Trump. All it did was hasten the turn Europe, Canada, and much of the free world is making away from the United States. Further, Zelensky did not blow-up, Trump and Vance certainly did. Vance was shouting and scolding and Trump was defensive, frail, and weak. I was totally and completely disgusted by the attacking, childish, and otherwise dictatorial nature of that talk. Trump was not there to discuss things with a fellow leader of a country but was looking for someone else to swear fealty to himself. The attack was coordinated and used Russian fake news to attempt to paint President Zelensky as some type of ungrateful warmonger. Russia attacked Ukraine, Russia continues to occupy Ukrainian territory. Putin wants all the old Soviet States back under his control. Trump, has no issue with that. The proof for this is how a Russian reporter was allowed in, it was done to show support to Russia. Russia btw is a brutal dictatorship and probably within the next year, the US will be closer to that than the Democracy it is. Musk and Trump have taken CISA agents off looking at Russia and put them on China instead. They have also dismantled the CISA election security team. I would wonder why that is but the answer is quite obvious, they plan to control future elections. Trump is doing what Russia would like him to do. Putin wants the war to end on his terms so he can re-arm and launch his next assault, Moldova and the Balkans are likely the next targets although if the US withdraws from NATO (we are rapidly heading in that direction) the Russians may simply invade Poland probably under the pretext that they supported Ukraine attacking Russia. I stopped reading the above tweet at this moment "a 3rd Vindman like engineered impeachment" because it become clear at that stage I was reading disinformation or Russian propaganda. It was very clear in the attack on Ukraine and Zelensky that we were hearing Russian talking points. Zelensky was wise not to sign the deal with the US and considering he didn't actually blow up at Trump, we should give him a lot of credit. If Trump spoke to me that way, I certainly would not have stayed as calm as Zelensky. What we witnessed in that 7mins was nothing short of a shitshow. A complete and total failure of US diplomacy and a radical shift away from the free countries of the west, to snuggle up to Putin and Russia. The United States is a Russian client state now for lack of a better term. Trump wanted to show strength but came across as fragile, weak, and petty. His performance will be remembered as one of the most shameful and disgraceful displays by a US President in the modern era. The entire free world rejected Trumpism int he aftermath. In one, seven minute tirade, Trump effectively ended the United States as leader of the free world. I expect Russia and the US to sign a separate peace, for Putin to re-arm ASAP, and for the war to spread because Trump will decline to intervene as long as Putin pays him not to. 1 1
LGR4GM Posted Monday at 05:45 PM Author Report Posted Monday at 05:45 PM 56 minutes ago, Hank said: See how he says "relitigate" which is the exact phrase that Vance suddenly pulled out? That's another indicator that this was pre-planned. There is nothing to relitigate. Russia invaded Ukraine under false pretense and has waged a brutal war in an attempt to reabsorb the mineral country back into the Russian State. If they mean the deal that was agreed too, I don't believe for a second that Zelinsky agreed to a mineral rights or ceasefire deal that didn't include security guarantees, why would he? Why give that to the US when it gives him nothing?
LTS Posted Monday at 06:59 PM Report Posted Monday at 06:59 PM 17 hours ago, Hank said: Turns out that Obama’s team including Anthony Blinken, Victoria Nuland, Susan Rice, and Alexander Vindman advised Zelensky to reject Trump’s deal. ***** traitorous *****!! I hope Bondi can find cause to bring charges against them! It's not nor should you be saying such things. In one post you've managed to basically tell me you are Trump clone and have no objectivity. This is different from before because you'd at least acknowledge you aligned with some of the actions but left open room for dissent. Your post is even designed to mimic a Trump post. 3 hours ago, Hank said: Yes. He's free to take that ***** advice and watch as Putin takes his country from him. Brilliant! And then you acknowledge that your initial post is just pure garbage. I didn't even bother to quote your "hope and find cause" as you acknowledge you had no clue if it was possible.. just that you hope it is. Why anyone would hope that freedom of speech is punishable because it's a dissenting voice is beyond me. Perhaps you can explain why you believe it should be acceptable? 1
Hank Posted Monday at 07:03 PM Report Posted Monday at 07:03 PM 1 hour ago, LGR4GM said: I find it disturbing you are actively wishes that the US DA manufacture charges and levee them against fellow Americans because you disagree with the advice those Americans gave to someone. I don't want Bondi to manufacture anything. If she's not able to bring legitimate charges than so be it. 1 hour ago, LGR4GM said: Donald Trump and JD Vance's behavior in the televised "meeting" can only be described as pro putin and completely abhorrent. It was obvious to any impartial observers that the attack was planned and devised as a way to show "strength" from Trump. All it did was hasten the turn Europe, Canada, and much of the free world is making away from the United States. Further, Zelensky did not blow-up, Trump and Vance certainly did. Vance was shouting and scolding and Trump was defensive, frail, and weak. I was totally and completely disgusted by the attacking, childish, and otherwise dictatorial nature of that talk. Trump was not there to discuss things with a fellow leader of a country but was looking for someone else to swear fealty to himself. The attack was coordinated and used Russian fake news to attempt to paint President Zelensky as some type of ungrateful warmonger. Russia attacked Ukraine, Russia continues to occupy Ukrainian territory. Putin wants all the old Soviet States back under his control. Trump, has no issue with that. The proof for this is how a Russian reporter was allowed in, it was done to show support to Russia. Russia btw is a brutal dictatorship and probably within the next year, the US will be closer to that than the Democracy it is. Musk and Trump have taken CISA agents off looking at Russia and put them on China instead. They have also dismantled the CISA election security team. I would wonder why that is but the answer is quite obvious, they plan to control future elections. Trump is doing what Russia would like him to do. Putin wants the war to end on his terms so he can re-arm and launch his next assault, Moldova and the Balkans are likely the next targets although if the US withdraws from NATO (we are rapidly heading in that direction) the Russians may simply invade Poland probably under the pretext that they supported Ukraine attacking Russia. I stopped reading the above tweet at this moment "a 3rd Vindman like engineered impeachment" because it become clear at that stage I was reading disinformation or Russian propaganda. It was very clear in the attack on Ukraine and Zelensky that we were hearing Russian talking points. Zelensky was wise not to sign the deal with the US and considering he didn't actually blow up at Trump, we should give him a lot of credit. If Trump spoke to me that way, I certainly would not have stayed as calm as Zelensky. What we witnessed in that 7mins was nothing short of a shitshow. A complete and total failure of US diplomacy and a radical shift away from the free countries of the west, to snuggle up to Putin and Russia. The United States is a Russian client state now for lack of a better term. Trump wanted to show strength but came across as fragile, weak, and petty. His performance will be remembered as one of the most shameful and disgraceful displays by a US President in the modern era. The entire free world rejected Trumpism int he aftermath. In one, seven minute tirade, Trump effectively ended the United States as leader of the free world. I expect Russia and the US to sign a separate peace, for Putin to re-arm ASAP, and for the war to spread because Trump will decline to intervene as long as Putin pays him not to. Respectfully, I disagree with this entire post, some of it vehemently. The full 50 minute video is out there, if you watch it it may alter your perspective a little. I've worked many ops with NATO forces in Iraq and Afghanistan, I fully support the US pulling out of NATO. 1 hour ago, LGR4GM said: See how he says "relitigate" which is the exact phrase that Vance suddenly pulled out? That's another indicator that this was pre-planned. There is nothing to relitigate. Russia invaded Ukraine under false pretense and has waged a brutal war in an attempt to reabsorb the mineral country back into the Russian State. If they mean the deal that was agreed too, I don't believe for a second that Zelinsky agreed to a mineral rights or ceasefire deal that didn't include security guarantees, why would he? Why give that to the US when it gives him nothing? The bolded: how do you propose the US provide security guarantees short of sending American forces to Ukraine? As someone who served most of his adult life, I do not support sending American forces to Ukraine. As you said upthread, if Putin does take Ukraine it may be the countries that border it that he goes after next. THOSE are the countries that should be fighting with Ukraine.
LGR4GM Posted Monday at 07:31 PM Author Report Posted Monday at 07:31 PM 25 minutes ago, Hank said: I don't want Bondi to manufacture anything. If she's not able to bring legitimate charges than so be it. Respectfully, I disagree with this entire post, some of it vehemently. The full 50 minute video is out there, if you watch it it may alter your perspective a little. I've worked many ops with NATO forces in Iraq and Afghanistan, I fully support the US pulling out of NATO. The bolded: how do you propose the US provide security guarantees short of sending American forces to Ukraine? As someone who served most of his adult life, I do not support sending American forces to Ukraine. As you said upthread, if Putin does take Ukraine it may be the countries that border it that he goes after next. THOSE are the countries that should be fighting with Ukraine. I disagree with this bolded so vehemently I must leave it at that.
LGR4GM Posted Monday at 08:01 PM Author Report Posted Monday at 08:01 PM 56 minutes ago, Hank said: I don't want Bondi to manufacture anything. If she's not able to bring legitimate charges than so be it. 18 hours ago, Hank said: Turns out that Obama’s team including Anthony Blinken, Victoria Nuland, Susan Rice, and Alexander Vindman advised Zelensky to reject Trump’s deal. ***** traitorous *****!! I hope Bondi can find cause to bring charges against them! What "legitimate" charge would exist for advising someone to do something? Note that you called them "traitorous *****" implying that they committed treason. If speaking with someone about their options on a subject and advising them against what Trump wants, is treason, than the United States is a not a free and functioning democracy.
K-9 Posted Monday at 08:14 PM Report Posted Monday at 08:14 PM 2 hours ago, LGR4GM said: See how he says "relitigate" which is the exact phrase that Vance suddenly pulled out? That's another indicator that this was pre-planned. There is nothing to relitigate. Russia invaded Ukraine under false pretense and has waged a brutal war in an attempt to reabsorb the mineral country back into the Russian State. If they mean the deal that was agreed too, I don't believe for a second that Zelinsky agreed to a mineral rights or ceasefire deal that didn't include security guarantees, why would he? Why give that to the US when it gives him nothing? It’s ironic that cheeto man used the platform to “relitigate” the Russia scandal from 2016. I suggest that the big cheeto read the Mueller report and get educated on the sham investigation Trump claims it was. But then again, he doesn’t like to read and there’s no big illustrations for him to help him, so that’s probably too big an ask.
Hank Posted Monday at 09:24 PM Report Posted Monday at 09:24 PM 1 hour ago, LGR4GM said: I disagree with this bolded so vehemently I must leave it at that. I don't think you're wrong for having a different opinion than me, we can respectfully disagree on an issue. 1 hour ago, LGR4GM said: What "legitimate" charge would exist for advising someone to do something? Note that you called them "traitorous *****" implying that they committed treason. If speaking with someone about their options on a subject and advising them against what Trump wants, is treason, than the United States is a not a free and functioning democracy. Admittedly, I went too far with this one. The deal was apparently agreed to by Zelenskyy's own words. I thought it would have led to the end of the war, I think we can agree that we both want that. I'm pissed that our own people tanked it, and I firmly believe if it was anybody else not named Trump in office they wouldn't have done it.
LGR4GM Posted Tuesday at 01:00 AM Author Report Posted Tuesday at 01:00 AM Donald is a Russian sympathizer
Taro T Posted Tuesday at 01:32 AM Report Posted Tuesday at 01:32 AM 5 hours ago, LGR4GM said: What "legitimate" charge would exist for advising someone to do something? Note that you called them "traitorous *****" implying that they committed treason. If speaking with someone about their options on a subject and advising them against what Trump wants, is treason, than the United States is a not a free and functioning democracy. Umm, violation of the Logan Act. Not saying they should be prosecuted for it, but that is what legitimate charge would/could be brought.
Hank Posted yesterday at 12:02 AM Report Posted yesterday at 12:02 AM Zelenskyy says hes coming back to the negotiating table.
Huckleberry Posted yesterday at 01:15 AM Report Posted yesterday at 01:15 AM Just think how much more it would cost to disarm safely and evironment friendly all the 20-30 year old weapons that got send to Ukraine and which basically had to be replaced anyway. Economically this makes sense for USA, war always makes sense for the biggest war economy in the world. Saying it cost the USA 360 billion by now is overestimating it by 200 billion at least and still under what the EU has spend so far. But all in all nothing but old weaponry has been send and its beating the russians so far. The modern tech was blocked by the USA for more than a year (storm shadow as an example). That being said, EU has ***** armies besides the scandinavian countries, poland, france and UK, ramping up production and replacing USA production will be nearly impossible within a year.
LGR4GM Posted yesterday at 03:03 AM Author Report Posted yesterday at 03:03 AM 1 hour ago, Huckleberry said: Just think how much more it would cost to disarm safely and evironment friendly all the 20-30 year old weapons that got send to Ukraine and which basically had to be replaced anyway. Economically this makes sense for USA, war always makes sense for the biggest war economy in the world. Saying it cost the USA 360 billion by now is overestimating it by 200 billion at least and still under what the EU has spend so far. But all in all nothing but old weaponry has been send and its beating the russians so far. The modern tech was blocked by the USA for more than a year (storm shadow as an example). That being said, EU has ***** armies besides the scandinavian countries, poland, france and UK, ramping up production and replacing USA production will be nearly impossible within a year. Europe has 2 years roughly. They need to hit fast forward now. Anything west of Oder river is going to be open to Putin when Trump exits NATO.
SABRES 0311 Posted yesterday at 03:14 AM Report Posted yesterday at 03:14 AM 10 minutes ago, LGR4GM said: Europe has 2 years roughly. They need to hit fast forward now. Anything west of Oder river is going to be open to Putin when Trump exits NATO. Trump won’t exit NATO no matter how much he talks about it. Just my opinion.
LGR4GM Posted yesterday at 03:32 PM Author Report Posted yesterday at 03:32 PM 12 hours ago, SABRES 0311 said: Trump won’t exit NATO no matter how much he talks about it. Just my opinion. Trump supports and is aligned with Putin. If Putin tells him to, Trump will find a pretext to do it, he is already laying the groundwork. JD Vance's diplomacy towards Europe has pushed every single country there away from the United States. The US government is now run by Putin supporters and lickspittles.
LGR4GM Posted yesterday at 03:47 PM Author Report Posted yesterday at 03:47 PM https://www.bbc.com/news/live/cly28qvp83pt Quote US officials have confirmed that President Trump has suspended intelligence sharing with Ukraine on top of the pause in military assistance US is pulling intelligence assistance from Ukraine because the United States supports and is aligned with the Russian State. Russia is delighted by what has happened, in fact they are very very happy with the outcome. The US is isolating itself from allies, it has caught off all aid to Ukraine, and it is openly talking about leaving NATO. So you tell me, how is Trump not a Russian supporter? Russia wants to take apart the West and carve it up into a new empire. That agenda has been advanced rapidly by Trump because he aligns with it. He wants to carve up the West as well. He wants Canada, Greenland, Panama. He wants access to Ukraine and thinks the Russians will give it to him. Putin plays Trump like the little bitch Trump is. You flatter him and tell him his clothes look nice and swear fealty and Trump will cuddle right up to you. The US economy is rapidly imploding. Our standing on the world stage is permanently changed and we are no longer viewed as the leaders of the Western World. Donald Trump likes Vladimir Putin better than he does the ***** Canadians. The United States is now more aligned with Russia, a brutal oligarchical dictatorship, than it is with the freedom and principles of a democracy. The chances of us having a free and fair election is doubtful, Trump will use and employ Putin's ideology to stay in power. We are descending into Christian fascism. Don't believe me, go listen to ppl like JD Vance, MTG, Steve Bannon, Stephen Miller and project 2025. I didn't make this up, and I am not a conspiracy theorist. They literally have said it and wrote it down. 1
Hank Posted yesterday at 04:08 PM Report Posted yesterday at 04:08 PM 33 minutes ago, LGR4GM said: Trump supports and is aligned with Putin. If Putin tells him to, Trump will find a pretext to do it, he is already laying the groundwork. JD Vance's diplomacy towards Europe has pushed every single country there away from the United States. The US government is now run by Putin supporters and lickspittles. What did the VP say that you feel was inaccurate? 18 minutes ago, LGR4GM said: https://www.bbc.com/news/live/cly28qvp83pt US is pulling intelligence assistance from Ukraine because the United States supports and is aligned with the Russian State. Russia is delighted by what has happened, in fact they are very very happy with the outcome. The US is isolating itself from allies, it has caught off all aid to Ukraine, and it is openly talking about leaving NATO. So you tell me, how is Trump not a Russian supporter? Russia wants to take apart the West and carve it up into a new empire. That agenda has been advanced rapidly by Trump because he aligns with it. He wants to carve up the West as well. He wants Canada, Greenland, Panama. He wants access to Ukraine and thinks the Russians will give it to him. Putin plays Trump like the little bitch Trump is. You flatter him and tell him his clothes look nice and swear fealty and Trump will cuddle right up to you. The US economy is rapidly imploding. Our standing on the world stage is permanently changed and we are no longer viewed as the leaders of the Western World. Donald Trump likes Vladimir Putin better than he does the ***** Canadians. The United States is now more aligned with Russia, a brutal oligarchical dictatorship, than it is with the freedom and principles of a democracy. The chances of us having a free and fair election is doubtful, Trump will use and employ Putin's ideology to stay in power. We are descending into Christian fascism. Don't believe me, go listen to ppl like JD Vance, MTG, Steve Bannon, Stephen Miller and project 2025. I didn't make this up, and I am not a conspiracy theorist. They literally have said it and wrote it down. Trump is applying pressure on Zelenskyy to sign a deal, nothing more. 1
K-9 Posted yesterday at 05:09 PM Report Posted yesterday at 05:09 PM 14 hours ago, LGR4GM said: Europe has 2 years roughly. They need to hit fast forward now. Anything west of Oder river is going to be open to Putin when Trump exits NATO. Don’t underestimate the former Eastern European members of the USSR who are now NATO members. They’ve been hitting fast forward for years in terms of their military buildups. Especially Poland and other border countries to Ukraine. They will not hesitate to respond to Russian aggression at the first sign and they won’t wait until Russia marches across Ukraine towards their borders. And Trump can’t unilaterally exit NATO. Even the most conservative GOP reps will have problems with that.
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