SABRES 0311 Posted Wednesday at 03:25 AM Report Posted Wednesday at 03:25 AM 5 minutes ago, LGR4GM said: He's going to sell Ukraine out and is already blaming Ukraine for the war Russia started. It's literally a Russian talking point. If Russia goes the ***** home, the war ends. Trumps going to give away tons to appeasement. Won't be surprised if we see an invasion of Poland within 2 years. $h!tty choice of words. I’ll give you that. As you disagree with me on the potential for foreign fighters to enter a (potential) future U.S./Russia war, I disagree on Russia invading a NATO member country. Unless Putin is beyond stupid which is a possibility.
LGR4GM Posted Wednesday at 03:35 AM Author Report Posted Wednesday at 03:35 AM (edited) 38 minutes ago, SABRES 0311 said: $h!tty choice of words. I’ll give you that. As you disagree with me on the potential for foreign fighters to enter a (potential) future U.S./Russia war, I disagree on Russia invading a NATO member country. Unless Putin is beyond stupid which is a possibility. It's not a ***** choice of words. He routinely regurgitates Russian propaganda. This is going to be like his Afghanistan deal, a total ***** show. I fully believe that Trump will either back out or refuse to honor NATO and that putin may even get that concession as part of this. Edited Wednesday at 04:04 AM by LGR4GM 1
K-9 Posted Wednesday at 11:21 AM Report Posted Wednesday at 11:21 AM 9 hours ago, SABRES 0311 said: It’s not the European citizens that would produce an insurgency. Russia maintains strong ties with Iran who is a state sponsor of extremist organizations such Hezbollah and the Muslim Brotherhood. If anyone thinks Russia wouldn’t leverage that when things go south against the west then I believe they’re wrong. That’s a fair point.
SwampD Posted Wednesday at 05:43 PM Report Posted Wednesday at 05:43 PM (edited) 14 hours ago, LGR4GM said: He's going to sell Ukraine out and is already blaming Ukraine for the war Russia started. It's literally a Russian talking point. If Russia goes the ***** home, the war ends. Trumps going to give away tons to appeasement. Won't be surprised if we see an invasion of Poland within 2 years. Unbelievable. And yet totally believable from this,... guy. Damn those Ukrainians for keeping this war going by defending themselves against a foreign power. If they didn't want a war, they should have just let themselves be invaded. Edited Wednesday at 05:46 PM by SwampD
SABRES 0311 Posted Wednesday at 05:52 PM Report Posted Wednesday at 05:52 PM 14 hours ago, LGR4GM said: It's not a ***** choice of words. He routinely regurgitates Russian propaganda. This is going to be like his Afghanistan deal, a total ***** show. I fully believe that Trump will either back out or refuse to honor NATO and that putin may even get that concession as part of this. It is a ****** choice of words. Weird that you dispute that but ok. I believe you are referring to the Doha Accord unless I am wrong. Not going to disagree with you. I will disagree with the idea it is singlehandedly responsible for the collapse of the Afghan Government. Not saying that is what you are saying but I think it is an idea that exists.
SwampD Posted Wednesday at 06:06 PM Report Posted Wednesday at 06:06 PM 10 minutes ago, SABRES 0311 said: It is a ****** choice of words. Weird that you dispute that but ok. I believe you are referring to the Doha Accord unless I am wrong. Not going to disagree with you. I will disagree with the idea it is singlehandedly responsible for the collapse of the Afghan Government. Not saying that is what you are saying but I think it is an idea that exists. It's not a ***** choice of words. It's a rewriting of history. Ukriane did not start it. That's ridiculous.
SABRES 0311 Posted Wednesday at 06:24 PM Report Posted Wednesday at 06:24 PM 17 minutes ago, SwampD said: It's not a ***** choice of words. It's a rewriting of history. Ukriane did not start it. That's ridiculous. Ok so its not a ****** choice of words which means its all good and you agree 😆
SwampD Posted Wednesday at 06:26 PM Report Posted Wednesday at 06:26 PM Just now, SABRES 0311 said: Ok so its not a ****** choice of words which means its all good and you agree 😆 I miss the day when words (and the truth) matter.
K-9 Posted Wednesday at 07:41 PM Report Posted Wednesday at 07:41 PM 1 hour ago, SwampD said: I miss the day when words (and the truth) matter. All depends on which truth and what words. I mean we live in a world where, according to far right ideology, there are “alternative facts.” Here’s an uncomfortable truth for Putin and his lackey Trump; Ukraine won’t need to depend on the USA to help defend itself as every other European NATO country is already making plans to do so. 1
SwampD Posted Wednesday at 08:04 PM Report Posted Wednesday at 08:04 PM 17 minutes ago, K-9 said: All depends on which truth and what words. I mean we live in a world where, according to far right ideology, there are “alternative facts.” Here’s an uncomfortable truth for Putin and his lackey Trump; Ukraine won’t need to depend on the USA to help defend itself as every other European NATO country is already making plans to do so. Apparently, it's also a world where outright lying is merely "a ***** choice of words." 1
LGR4GM Posted Wednesday at 08:39 PM Author Report Posted Wednesday at 08:39 PM 2 hours ago, SABRES 0311 said: It is a ****** choice of words. Weird that you dispute that but ok. I believe you are referring to the Doha Accord unless I am wrong. Not going to disagree with you. I will disagree with the idea it is singlehandedly responsible for the collapse of the Afghan Government. Not saying that is what you are saying but I think it is an idea that exists. You can stop trying to turn this around on me now. What Trump said was not some type of poor wording which is what you are implying. He straight up lied about how the Russian war on Ukraine started and used a regurgitated Russian propaganda point to do it. It wasn't a poor choice, it was a deliberate lie. 1
LGR4GM Posted Wednesday at 08:41 PM Author Report Posted Wednesday at 08:41 PM 2 hours ago, SABRES 0311 said: I believe you are referring to the Doha Accord unless I am wrong. Not going to disagree with you. I will disagree with the idea it is singlehandedly responsible for the collapse of the Afghan Government. Not saying that is what you are saying but I think it is an idea that exists. I would also agree that Trump was not singlehandedly responsible, but he certainly contributed. 1
K-9 Posted Wednesday at 10:09 PM Report Posted Wednesday at 10:09 PM 2 hours ago, SwampD said: Apparently, it's also a world where outright lying is merely "a ***** choice of words." Confirmation bias is one thing, but when combined with cognitive dissonance it can be downright dangerous. 1
SwampD Posted Wednesday at 11:46 PM Report Posted Wednesday at 11:46 PM (edited) He was just spewing the same garbage right now. maybe even worse. Trump works for TASS now. Edited Thursday at 03:36 PM by SwampD
JujuFish Posted Thursday at 01:23 AM Report Posted Thursday at 01:23 AM 21 hours ago, SABRES 0311 said: I don’t think you understand what reparations are. Reparations are payments made as a result of damage. Leveraging $69 Billion spent supporting another country’s war effort to strike a deal for access to rare earth metals is a trade agreement. You seem to think you're making a point here, but you're not. You're proposing we strong-arm an ally rather than an enemy. There is no logical reason for it, unless you're a simp for the enemy. 22 hours ago, SABRES 0311 said: By your apparent definition the U.S. has been “simping” for China for decades. My "apparent definition" has nothing to do with the US and China. Please connect those dots for me, because I'm here on earth, not in space cadet territory. Who, exactly, did China invade that we provided military aid to? What "trade agreement" am I trying to defend that I should be against? 22 hours ago, SABRES 0311 said: It’s funny how you delete the other half of my quoted post And apparently you don't understand how to address points on a message board. You quote the part that is relevant, rather than the entire mess of a post.
K-9 Posted Thursday at 01:37 AM Report Posted Thursday at 01:37 AM (edited) 48 minutes ago, LGR4GM said: Does the WaPost still track his lies and misleading statements like they did in his first term? Probably not as I doubt Bezos would allow it since he’s become such a wimp. But in his first four years, Cheeto Man averaged over 21 lies or misleading statements a day. A DAY! He may be the biggest liar in the history of the world. Lucky us. Edited Thursday at 01:47 AM by K-9
SABRES 0311 Posted Thursday at 02:16 AM Report Posted Thursday at 02:16 AM 37 minutes ago, JujuFish said: You seem to think you're making a point here, but you're not. You're proposing we strong-arm an ally rather than an enemy. There is no logical reason for it, unless you're a simp for the enemy. My "apparent definition" has nothing to do with the US and China. Please connect those dots for me, because I'm here on earth, not in space cadet territory. Who, exactly, did China invade that we provided military aid to? What "trade agreement" am I trying to defend that I should be against? And apparently you don't understand how to address points on a message board. You quote the part that is relevant, rather than the entire mess of a post. The fact you don’t understand what reparations are but use it to back up an insult is funny 😂 You seem to also lack an understanding that the U.S. maintains economic and diplomatic ties with another adversary, China. If you did you would see that relationships with near peer countries isn’t simping. It’s holding some balance while still maintaining/establishing dominance in politics, economics, and multiple domains of military capabilities. Points get lost on someone who doesn’t have the knowledge and/or experience to understand them. Other posters and I have a large gap in perceptions of geopolitics and there impacts on military application but at least it’s an exchange of relevant information.
SABRES 0311 Posted Thursday at 11:08 AM Report Posted Thursday at 11:08 AM From a 2021 Government Accountability Office Report: ”According to data obtained from DOD, Japan provided $12.6 billion and South Korea provided $5.8 billion from 2016 through 2019 in cash payments and in-kind financial support. This direct financial support paid for certain costs, such as labor, construction, and utilities. In addition to direct financial support, Japan and South Korea provided indirect support, such as forgone rents on land and facilities used by U.S. forces, as well as waived taxes, according to DOD officials.” https://www.gao.gov/product These bases exist as a deterrent against NK and Chinese aggression and provide for the defense of those nations. Both NK and China are aggressors in the Pacific and Russia in Europe. NK with threats to the U.S. and its allies, pursuit of nuclear capabilities, and intermittent rocket launches. The U.S. is still in a state of war with NK. China continues to harass civilian vessels and claiming territory beyond the nine dash line. They present an ongoing concern of military invasion into Taiwan. The U.S. receiving forms of compensation for supporting the defense of other nations is not a new thing. According to Zelenskyy the U.S. has provided $100 Billion in aid. Compensation on the back end would neither be a reparation or penalty. I guarantee if Biden brokered a deal for Ukraine to compensate the U.S. post war, leftists would praise his efforts as a way of strengthening economic ties and mutual defense with an ally.
LGR4GM Posted Thursday at 12:15 PM Author Report Posted Thursday at 12:15 PM (edited) 1 hour ago, SABRES 0311 said: From a 2021 Government Accountability Office Report: ”According to data obtained from DOD, Japan provided $12.6 billion and South Korea provided $5.8 billion from 2016 through 2019 in cash payments and in-kind financial support. This direct financial support paid for certain costs, such as labor, construction, and utilities. In addition to direct financial support, Japan and South Korea provided indirect support, such as forgone rents on land and facilities used by U.S. forces, as well as waived taxes, according to DOD officials.” https://www.gao.gov/product These bases exist as a deterrent against NK and Chinese aggression and provide for the defense of those nations. Both NK and China are aggressors in the Pacific and Russia in Europe. NK with threats to the U.S. and its allies, pursuit of nuclear capabilities, and intermittent rocket launches. The U.S. is still in a state of war with NK. China continues to harass civilian vessels and claiming territory beyond the nine dash line. They present an ongoing concern of military invasion into Taiwan. The U.S. receiving forms of compensation for supporting the defense of other nations is not a new thing. According to Zelenskyy the U.S. has provided $100 Billion in aid. Compensation on the back end would neither be a reparation or penalty. I guarantee if Biden brokered a deal for Ukraine to compensate the U.S. post war, leftists would praise his efforts as a way of strengthening economic ties and mutual defense with an ally. If Biden told you Ukraine "give us 50% of your rare earth minerals or we'll make a deal with Russia instead" no, I ***** wouldn't praise his efforts. Just like I dont praise his efforts for the Afghanistan withdrawn. Presidents aren't kings and political parties aren't owned allegiance regardless of what they do. Trump demanded 50% of the mineral rights, didn't get it, and immediately went to Russia to broker a deal which I'd bet money gives him mineral rights. Note, I say him, because the US ain't getting it. Trump and his allies will. that's not payment for defense or reparations, that's trump enriching himself. Watch for it. Edited Thursday at 12:20 PM by LGR4GM 1
SwampD Posted Thursday at 03:38 PM Report Posted Thursday at 03:38 PM 14 hours ago, LGR4GM said: Trump’s “Gaslight Chats.” 1
SwampD Posted 5 hours ago Report Posted 5 hours ago (edited) So basically, Trump turned this into a classic Mob protection racket. Edited 3 hours ago by SwampD
Hank Posted 3 hours ago Report Posted 3 hours ago https://www.wsj.com/world/white-house-and-ukraine-close-in-on-deal-for-mineral-rights-e924c672?mod=breakingnews https://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-14423219/volodymyr-zelensky-surrenders-donald-trump-sign-mineral-deal-hours.html Looks like Trump may get his minerals. Yay America! 1
LGR4GM Posted 3 hours ago Author Report Posted 3 hours ago 6 minutes ago, Hank said: Ok and? He won that election and Comey committed election interference that cost Hillary the election with a fake investigation into nothing. So what this shows us is Trump is a petty, insecure child, who puts his personal grievances above national security and world security. 2 minutes ago, Hank said: https://www.wsj.com/world/white-house-and-ukraine-close-in-on-deal-for-mineral-rights-e924c672?mod=breakingnews https://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-14423219/volodymyr-zelensky-surrenders-donald-trump-sign-mineral-deal-hours.html Looks like Trump may get his minerals. Yay America! Curious to see the details but Trump won't honor the agreement anyways. He'll always want more.
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