Stoner Posted February 8 Report Posted February 8 (edited) Isn't that why you have a goalie? We'd have a Cup banner if Jay McKee would have stayed in his lane and trusted Millsie. Stop it with the blocking of shots already! Edited February 8 by Stoner Quote
Stoner Posted February 8 Author Report Posted February 8 Goals saved vs. man games lost and factor in increased goals against with regular dmen OOTL. I want something on my desk by 6 a.m. 1 Quote
Stoner Posted February 8 Author Report Posted February 8 34 minutes ago, _Q_ said: Capital G Fixed. Quote
Pimlach Posted February 8 Report Posted February 8 9 hours ago, Stoner said: Goals saved vs. man games lost and factor in increased goals against with regular dmen OOTL. I want something on my desk by 6 a.m. On your desk? There is an encrypted email with a hyperlink to a PDF that is the report which is stored on the classified server that you don’t have access to without the correct password and security clearance. You can callI the IT Help Desk, which isn’t a desk either. 1 3 Quote
SwampD Posted February 8 Report Posted February 8 9 hours ago, Stoner said: Goals saved vs. man games lost and factor in increased goals against with regular dmen OOTL. I want something on my desk by 6 a.m. Does it really take that much extra time to just type the words out? Or is the L a typo? Quote
That Aud Smell Posted February 8 Report Posted February 8 18 hours ago, Stoner said: Goals saved vs. man games lost and factor in increased goals against with regular dmen OOTL. I want something on my desk by 6 a.m. it’s a fair question. what do the fancy stat people say about blocked shots? Quote
Pimlach Posted February 8 Report Posted February 8 1 hour ago, That Aud Smell said: it’s a fair question. what do the fancy stat people say about blocked shots? Without the use of fancy stats I will go out on a limb to say it helps your goalie, especially when the opponent has him moving from side to side. After that it comes down to who gets to the loose puck, that seems to be critical because the goalie can hold it and stop play. Winning puck battles and gaining possession is what we need to be better at. 3 Quote
Carmel Corn Posted February 8 Report Posted February 8 17 minutes ago, Pimlach said: Without the use of fancy stats I will go out on a limb to say it helps your goalie, especially when the opponent has him moving from side to side. After that it comes down to who gets to the loose puck, that seems to be critical because the goalie can hold it and stop play. Winning puck battles and gaining possession is what we need to be better at. I might add they need to be better at boxing out the opposition so our goalies can actually see the shots and make the save. 1 Quote
GASabresIUFAN Posted February 9 Report Posted February 9 What is the Sabres W/L record in games they block more shots than their opponent? In the last 10 games the Sabres are 4-6, but went 3-0 in games they blocked more shots, 1-0 in games they blocked the same number of shots and 0-6 in games they blocked less shots then their opponent. Coincidence or highly correlated to winning and losing? Quote
PerreaultForever Posted February 9 Report Posted February 9 Umm we kind of have to do all of the above. Quote
Kristian Posted February 9 Report Posted February 9 3 hours ago, GASabresIUFAN said: What is the Sabres W/L record in games they block more shots than their opponent? In the last 10 games the Sabres are 4-6, but went 3-0 in games they blocked more shots, 1-0 in games they blocked the same number of shots and 0-6 in games they blocked less shots then their opponent. Coincidence or highly correlated to winning and losing? So you’re saying, our goalies suck? 🤣 Quote
GASabresIUFAN Posted February 9 Report Posted February 9 7 hours ago, Kristian said: So you’re saying, our goalies suck? 🤣 The goalie was bad last night, but the problem remains the defensemen. Quote
xzy89c1 Posted February 10 Report Posted February 10 When they shrank the neutral zone, the idea was more room in offensive zone means more offense. Did not happen as coaches adapted by leaving points open and collapsing down and blocking point shots. No man-to-man D that would open areas for offense is happening. No pressure on D takes away excitement as a couple times a game D would cough up puck at blue line and lead to chances. More room behind nets failed as it turns out Gretzky was the unique talent that could create offense from back there LOL. Getting rid of two-line pass also hurts offense as players hang on the other side of the red line. When you had to worry about two-line pass pressure, again, was on D to make a play by getting past blue line. Mistakes there led to offense. These changes to increase offense have led to a boring game of power plays and one timers. 1 1 Quote
JP51 Posted February 10 Report Posted February 10 On 2/8/2025 at 6:04 PM, Pimlach said: Without the use of fancy stats I will go out on a limb to say it helps your goalie, especially when the opponent has him moving from side to side. After that it comes down to who gets to the loose puck, that seems to be critical because the goalie can hold it and stop play. Winning puck battles and gaining possession is what we need to be better at. I agree... its more about the shots that are not blocked than the ones that are... although those shots often turn into turnovers the other way... but getting into the shooting lane to take away the shot.. is pretty critical... forcing the pass or taking the risk the shot is blocked.. I am not sure the old Jim Schoenfeld sliding to block a shot trick is needed, but definitely clogging the shooting lanes is a big deal... akin to a DL getting their hands up to block a pass and taking away the passing lanes... Quote
Stoner Posted February 10 Author Report Posted February 10 6 minutes ago, JP51 said: I agree... its more about the shots that are not blocked than the ones that are... although those shots often turn into turnovers the other way... but getting into the shooting lane to take away the shot.. is pretty critical... forcing the pass or taking the risk the shot is blocked.. I am not sure the old Jim Schoenfeld sliding to block a shot trick is needed, but definitely clogging the shooting lanes is a big deal... akin to a DL getting their hands up to block a pass and taking away the passing lanes... Let the DBs do their job. #stayinyourlane #worksmarternotharder 1 Quote
JP51 Posted February 10 Report Posted February 10 (edited) 12 minutes ago, Stoner said: Let the DBs do their job. #stayinyourlane #worksmarternotharder Classic LOL 😆 #theydontpaymeforthatsh@tbit#@es Edited February 10 by JP51 1 Quote
That Aud Smell Posted February 10 Report Posted February 10 We're still waiting on someone linking to a good article or post that addresses how #fancystats views blocked shots. I Googled around a bit, but didn't readily find anything. Quote
Stoner Posted February 10 Author Report Posted February 10 (edited) 1 minute ago, That Aud Smell said: We're still waiting on someone linking to a good article or post that addresses how #fancystats views blocked shots. I Googled around a bit, but didn't readily find anything. It's sacrosanct. Blocking shots is good. Heroic, even. Edited February 10 by Stoner Quote
mjd1001 Posted February 10 Report Posted February 10 (edited) 36 minutes ago, That Aud Smell said: We're still waiting on someone linking to a good article or post that addresses how #fancystats views blocked shots. I Googled around a bit, but didn't readily find anything. I have never seen anything quantify it in any way. I think its something that is sometimes good, sometimes bad. "old time' hockey guys liked it. Toughness, sacrificing your body...etc. But in reality, if you are leaving your skates, all that may do is cause you to put yourself out of the rest of the play and take longer to get back in. Also, if you are intentionally trying to block shots, you can tend to put yourself in front of your own goalie and screen him, or worse yet, cause a deflection. I forgot who it was but sometime in the last decade I could swear there was a commentator that was a former goalie (maybe Lundquist?) that said he didn't want his D-man blocking the shots..just get out of the way and let him see the shot and he'll make the save. From a very wide view, stats on blocked shots don't seem to point to players or teams that do it well being any better, or worse than players or teams that don't. The 3 teams with the most blocked shots this year? Philly, Anaheim, and San Jose. The teams with the least? Carolina, Florida, Edmonth. The players with the most blocked shots this year? Ian Cole, Chris Tanev, Jacob Trouba, and Nick Seeler. Ok, whatever. Not a who's who of guys I want on my team for sure. Edited February 10 by mjd1001 Quote
That Aud Smell Posted February 10 Report Posted February 10 1 hour ago, Stoner said: It's sacrosanct. Blocking shots is good. Heroic, even. Don't give up, man. The apparent dearth of analysis on this issue is ... weird. Quote
That Aud Smell Posted February 10 Report Posted February 10 i found a considered discussion of the issue in a 9 year old reddit thread. Quote
SwampD Posted February 11 Report Posted February 11 Late to this party, I agree PA. I think shotblocking is a net negative in the regular season and should be saved for the playoffs, where there is no tomorrow if you lose. 1 Quote
Mr Peabody Posted February 11 Report Posted February 11 Our first year playing Fantasy Hockey on the ESPN app we found the vast majority of defensemen were useless to roster. Ergo we made a change the next season to award 1 pt for blocks and it changed a d man’s value completely. So now that we pay attention we find that many of your top stay at home defensemen do indeed block a lot of shots. Guys like Tanev, Oleksiak, Savard, and van Riemsdyk are all at or near the top of the list. 1 Quote
mjd1001 Posted February 11 Report Posted February 11 14 minutes ago, Mr Peabody said: Our first year playing Fantasy Hockey on the ESPN app we found the vast majority of defensemen were useless to roster. Ergo we made a change the next season to award 1 pt for blocks and it changed a d man’s value completely. So now that we pay attention we find that many of your top stay at home defensemen do indeed block a lot of shots. Guys like Tanev, Oleksiak, Savard, and van Riemsdyk are all at or near the top of the list. I'm not disagreeing with you, but just throwing this out there.... ARE those guys the top Defensive defensemen in terms of helping their teams prevent goals? Or is it just thought they are because they are at least decent-to-good defensively, and the fact that they block a lot of shots adds to the perception they are better than they are because many people DO beleive blocking shots is a good thing? The 2nd question is...if we do agree blocking shots is a good thing....then how are blocked shots credited? Is it good if a guy slides on the ice (Jay McKee style) to get the blocked shot? Or are some of the current blocked shots leaders more guys that are good at the subtle art of getting in the way of shots, taking them off of their legs or shins? To me....blocked shots....its far too generic. There is a BIG difference in real application between a guy who goes down off of his skates and one that just approaches a shooter at the point and stays upright to take it off the shinpads. In an ideal statistical record keeping world, it would be great to see blocked shots broken down by the type of blocked shot. 1 Quote
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