K-9 Posted February 5 Report Posted February 5 (edited) Are you phucking kidding me? This is the team that’s gonna make recommendations on which programs to cut? Really? It would be funny if it weren’t so serious. Everything Musk is doing as a government agency head official is illegal. https://economictimes.indiatimes.com/news/international/us/these-6-baby-faced-doge-engineers-form-the-crack-team-of-elon-musk-heres-how-they-are-slashing-government-costs/articleshow/117925295.cms?from=mdr Edited February 5 by K-9 More info
SABRES 0311 Posted February 5 Report Posted February 5 21 minutes ago, K-9 said: Are you phucking kidding me? This is the team that’s gonna make recommendations on which programs to cut? Really? It would be funny if it weren’t so serious. Everything Musk is doing as a government agency head official is illegal. https://economictimes.indiatimes.com/news/international/us/these-6-baby-faced-doge-engineers-form-the-crack-team-of-elon-musk-heres-how-they-are-slashing-government-costs/articleshow/117925295.cms?from=mdr Remember people were all about the next generation getting into politics? 😂 Who needs life experience?
Hank Posted February 5 Report Posted February 5 48 minutes ago, K-9 said: Are you phucking kidding me? This is the team that’s gonna make recommendations on which programs to cut? Really? It would be funny if it weren’t so serious. Everything Musk is doing as a government agency head official is illegal. https://economictimes.indiatimes.com/news/international/us/these-6-baby-faced-doge-engineers-form-the-crack-team-of-elon-musk-heres-how-they-are-slashing-government-costs/articleshow/117925295.cms?from=mdr When president Trump signed his executive order regarding birthright citizenship the dems immediately filed suit and a judge put a stop to it. The fact the Musk is still going strong and dems are reduced to protesting should tell you that what he's doing is not illegal. Do you not care at all about all the corruption they're uncovering? Or do you only care that Trump put Musk in charge of finding the corruption? 1
K-9 Posted February 6 Author Report Posted February 6 42 minutes ago, Hank said: When president Trump signed his executive order regarding birthright citizenship the dems immediately filed suit and a judge put a stop to it. The fact the Musk is still going strong and dems are reduced to protesting should tell you that what he's doing is not illegal. Do you not care at all about all the corruption they're uncovering? Or do you only care that Trump put Musk in charge of finding the corruption? There are numerous lawsuits already in motion, so I’m not the only one who thinks so. Please list “all the corruption they’re uncovering” and what news agencies have reported these findings. I know Musk is claiming that he’s rooting out all this corruption, but I need specifics and proof before I’m convinced. Of course I care about corruption in government. But I don’t have any faith in corruption uncovered by people who are corrupt themselves.
SABRES 0311 Posted February 6 Report Posted February 6 32 minutes ago, K-9 said: There are numerous lawsuits already in motion, so I’m not the only one who thinks so. Please list “all the corruption they’re uncovering” and what news agencies have reported these findings. I know Musk is claiming that he’s rooting out all this corruption, but I need specifics and proof before I’m convinced. Of course I care about corruption in government. But I don’t have any faith in corruption uncovered by people who are corrupt themselves. Well I can attest from personal experience that USAID is either full of stupid people or has a serious issue with fraud, waste, and abuse.
K-9 Posted February 6 Author Report Posted February 6 14 minutes ago, SABRES 0311 said: Well I can attest from personal experience that USAID is either full of stupid people or has a serious issue with fraud, waste, and abuse. And I can attest from personal experience in working with brilliant USAID personnel in Africa, Haiti, and Bosnia-Herzegovina that the work they do has helped countless people. Of course, that was USAID personnel where the rubber meets the road, many layers removed from the bureaucracy here where corruption and fraud has occurred, as it has in numerous government agencies since their inception. But the aim of the GOP is to “starve the beast” and throw the baby out with the bathwater, regardless of the overwhelming benefits such programs provide. But I find it beyond hypocritical that a sitting US Senator from Florida achieved that position in government after the company he was CEO of was found guilty of 14 counts of medicare fraud, medicaid fraud, and fraud of other government agencies as well. I’m really not surprised considering these immoral hypocrites are led by a convicted felon who fomented an insurrection against the country whose Constitution he was sworn to defend. Absurdity at the highest level.
LGR4GM Posted February 6 Report Posted February 6 2 hours ago, Hank said: When president Trump signed his executive order regarding birthright citizenship the dems immediately filed suit and a judge put a stop to it. The fact the Musk is still going strong and dems are reduced to protesting should tell you that what he's doing is not illegal. Do you not care at all about all the corruption they're uncovering? Or do you only care that Trump put Musk in charge of finding the corruption? Oh yea, all the corruption at the... checks notes... National Oceanic and Atmospheric Administration. https://www.wired.com/story/doge-engineer-noaa-data-google-musk-climate-project-2025/ "The agency has long been a target of conservatives; the Project 2025 policy tome calls for it to be broken up and downsized, and for the work of the National Weather Service—which sits within NOAA—to be largely privatized."
SABRES 0311 Posted February 6 Report Posted February 6 (edited) 15 minutes ago, K-9 said: And I can attest from personal experience in working with brilliant USAID personnel in Africa, Haiti, and Bosnia-Herzegovina that the work they do has helped countless people. Of course, that was USAID personnel where the rubber meets the road, many layers removed from the bureaucracy here where corruption and fraud has occurred, as it has in numerous government agencies since their inception. But the aim of the GOP is to “starve the beast” and throw the baby out with the bathwater, regardless of the overwhelming benefits such programs provide. But I find it beyond hypocritical that a sitting US Senator from Florida achieved that position in government after the company he was CEO of was found guilty of 14 counts of medicare fraud, medicaid fraud, and fraud of other government agencies as well. I’m really not surprised considering these immoral hypocrites are led by a convicted felon who fomented an insurrection against the country whose Constitution he was sworn to defend. Absurdity at the highest level. Aside from some medical assistance, pretty much anything they did in Afghanistan over 20 years was a waste. They even admitted to wasting money on projects that Afghans rejected because it would make them a target of extremists. It was the whole buy the hearts and minds thing. There words paraphrased. Only thing more inept was the Biden administration’s approach to the withdrawal. Edited February 6 by SABRES 0311
K-9 Posted February 6 Author Report Posted February 6 5 minutes ago, SABRES 0311 said: Aside from some medical assistance, pretty much anything they did in Afghanistan over 20 years was a waste. They even admitted to wasting money on projects that Afghans rejected because it would make them a target of extremists. It was the whole buy the hearts and minds thing. There words paraphrased. Only thing more inept was the Biden administration’s approach to the withdrawal. I have to laugh at the concern about USAID in Afghanistan when pallets of money, literally billions of dollars over the years, delivered by our military and meant to buy loyalty from various tribal leaders, just somehow ended up disappearing before ever getting in the in the hands of the intended. But hey, corruption is corruption after all. And I don’t give a crap anymore about whatever Biden botched or not. He’s relegated to history. The concern is the current group who intend to destroy our government.
K-9 Posted February 6 Author Report Posted February 6 4 minutes ago, LGR4GM said: Mike Johnson, self avowed “God warrior”, may be the biggest hypocrite of all. And that’s saying a lot.
SABRES 0311 Posted February 6 Report Posted February 6 (edited) 22 minutes ago, K-9 said: I have to laugh at the concern about USAID in Afghanistan when pallets of money, literally billions of dollars over the years, delivered by our military and meant to buy loyalty from various tribal leaders, just somehow ended up disappearing before ever getting in the in the hands of the intended. But hey, corruption is corruption after all. And I don’t give a crap anymore about whatever Biden botched or not. He’s relegated to history. The concern is the current group who intend to destroy our government. There’s 13 reasons why you should care about how much Biden’s withdrawal sucked but I’m not surprised you don’t. Then again Harris claimed there were no U.S. service members in combat zones. I’m sure their supporters believed it too. Im sure all the money USAID has funneled into Afghanistan since the Taliban took over has been well spent. Edited February 6 by SABRES 0311
K-9 Posted February 6 Author Report Posted February 6 25 minutes ago, SABRES 0311 said: There’s 13 reasons why you should care about how much Biden’s withdrawal sucked but I’m not surprised you don’t. Then again Harris claimed there were no U.S. service members in combat zones. I’m sure their supporters believed it too. Im sure all the money USAID has funneled into Afghanistan since the Taliban took over has been well spent. If you’re gonna suggest that I don’t care about the loss of the lives of our military members, you can go to hell. And speaking of not being surprised, I’m not in the least that you seek to deflect criticism of your cheeto god by citing mistakes and poor decisions by the Biden administration. Weak sauce. I’m sure a certain amount of corruption occurred in Afghanistan by USAID and other entities. As it has in every war zone in history. That is no reason to do away with the entire thing. Find those responsible and prosecute them. But that’s not the intention of the GOP. But yeah, let’s decry all this corruption committed by USAID when there are GOP members of Congress who conspired the to defraud the United States and disenfranchise 81 some odd million voters in the process. Has Jim Jordan answered his Congressional subpoena yet? And let’s not forget that stalwart of anti-corruption and fraud, Rick Scott; that aforementioned CEO whose company was convicted on 14 felony counts of defrauding medicare, medicaid, and other government agencies. Harp on all the mistakes by the previous administration all you want but the folks I just referred to are here in real time, right now, in positions of high government power currently deciding things. And the rest of their GOP Congressional colleagues just don’t have the integrity and/or moral compass to hold their own accountable.
SABRES 0311 Posted February 6 Report Posted February 6 11 minutes ago, K-9 said: If you’re gonna suggest that I don’t care about the loss of the lives of our military members, you can go to hell. And speaking of not being surprised, I’m not in the least that you seek to deflect criticism of your cheeto god by citing mistakes and poor decisions by the Biden administration. Weak sauce. I’m sure a certain amount of corruption occurred in Afghanistan by USAID and other entities. As it has in every war zone in history. That is no reason to do away with the entire thing. Find those responsible and prosecute them. But that’s not the intention of the GOP. But yeah, let’s decry all this corruption committed by USAID when there are GOP members of Congress who conspired the to defraud the United States and disenfranchise 81 some odd million voters in the process. Has Jim Jordan answered his Congressional subpoena yet? And let’s not forget that stalwart of anti-corruption and fraud, Rick Scott; that aforementioned CEO whose company was convicted on 14 felony counts of defrauding medicare, medicaid, and other government agencies. Harp on all the mistakes by the previous administration all you want but the folks I just referred to are here in real time, right now, in positions of high government power currently deciding things. And the rest of their GOP Congressional colleagues just don’t have the integrity and/or moral compass to hold their own accountable. You really think because the previous administration is no longer here what they have done is just in the past? Do you really think the money USAID funnels into Afghanistan through the UN is helping innocent people? I’m sure the Taliban and ISIS are keeping their hands out of it. Apparently $15 mil from USAID went to the Taliban for condoms. Money well spent. A lot more wasted money across other government agencies to include the DoD. A long hard look should be taken at all agencies and government personnel. As far as my comments about the withdrawal, if Trump was president I guarantee this board would be screaming how the wannabe dictator cost 13 Americans their lives. I guess all the military hardware in the hands of the Taliban, who have a history of supporting extremism, is just in the past. No way that could ever come back to bite us. If Trump had said no military were in combat zones during his administration people would go nuts. But because the lefts cackling queen idiot said it, leftists stay quiet.
LGR4GM Posted February 6 Report Posted February 6 8 hours ago, SABRES 0311 said: You really think because the previous administration is no longer here what they have done is just in the past? Do you really think the money USAID funnels into Afghanistan through the UN is helping innocent people? I’m sure the Taliban and ISIS are keeping their hands out of it. Apparently $15 mil from USAID went to the Taliban for condoms. Money well spent. A lot more wasted money across other government agencies to include the DoD. A long hard look should be taken at all agencies and government personnel. As far as my comments about the withdrawal, if Trump was president I guarantee this board would be screaming how the wannabe dictator cost 13 Americans their lives. I guess all the military hardware in the hands of the Taliban, who have a history of supporting extremism, is just in the past. No way that could ever come back to bite us. If Trump had said no military were in combat zones during his administration people would go nuts. But because the lefts cackling queen idiot said it, leftists stay quiet. Ok, so start a thread about the Afghanistan withdrawing and we can discuss it. But this thread is about Trump sending Elon Musk to take over and control every other part of the US government by what's essential his bully boys.
LGR4GM Posted February 6 Report Posted February 6 https://www.cnn.com/2025/02/06/politics/elon-musk-treasury-department-payment-system/index.html Quote Four days after Donald Trump’s inauguration, Elon Musk’s top lieutenants at the Treasury Department asked its acting secretary, a career civil servant, to immediately shut off all USAID payments using the department’s own ultra-sensitive payment processing system. The ask was so out of line with how Treasury normally operates, it prompted a skeptical reply from David Lebryk, then serving as acting Treasury secretary, who said he did not believe “we have the legal authority to stop an authorized payment certified by an agency,” according to a source familiar with the exchange. Lebryk suggested a “legally less risky approach” would be for the State Department, which oversees USAID, to rescind the payments itself and examine whether they complied with President Donald Trump’s Inauguration Day executive order freezing foreign development aid.
K-9 Posted February 6 Author Report Posted February 6 17 hours ago, SABRES 0311 said: You really think because the previous administration is no longer here what they have done is just in the past? Do you really think the money USAID funnels into Afghanistan through the UN is helping innocent people? I’m sure the Taliban and ISIS are keeping their hands out of it. Apparently $15 mil from USAID went to the Taliban for condoms. Money well spent. A lot more wasted money across other government agencies to include the DoD. A long hard look should be taken at all agencies and government personnel. As far as my comments about the withdrawal, if Trump was president I guarantee this board would be screaming how the wannabe dictator cost 13 Americans their lives. I guess all the military hardware in the hands of the Taliban, who have a history of supporting extremism, is just in the past. No way that could ever come back to bite us. If Trump had said no military were in combat zones during his administration people would go nuts. But because the lefts cackling queen idiot said it, leftists stay quiet. Trump is the one who negotiated the agreement the Taliban in the first place, so there’s more than enough blame to go around. I can’t speak for anyone else in this forum, but I wouldn’t be one of those screaming about the loss of those 13 lives and blaming him for it. Just like I never blamed GW for the crap in Iraq. Bad $hit happens in war zones and it’s not as though Trump would have killed those 13 fine soldiers himself. Nor did Biden. I suspect any equipment left there may certainly come back to bite us in the a$$, just as it did in Iraq. Bottom line is that after the longest war in our history, it was time to end it. And NO administration was going to be able to do that unscathed, Republican or Democrat alike. Withdrawals seldom end without messy events along the way. Go visit the films of our withdrawal from Viet Nam for another example. And yeah, I’m sure that whatever USAID money that actually ends up in the hands of the right organizations Afghanistan actually goes to people who need it. As I said, I’ve personally witnessed USAID funds doing just that in war torn countries. I don’t disagree that some of those funds end up in Taliban hands, but USAID has no authority over the bank in which those UN funds are deposited. I share your concern about fraud and corruption in their mission, but I don’t share your cynicism that it’s all corrupt all the time. It needs to stay, regardless of the few bad apples. I have to laugh at the irony of your accusing the left of cackling over Trump while going on about Biden’s incompetence in events that occurred nearly four years ago. But if it makes you feel better, I can compile a list of Biden’s mistakes as long or longer than yours. The difference is, Trump IS a wannabe dictator, who is currently trying to govern like one. And I’m not in denial about having a convicted felon who conspired to defraud the United States and fomented an insurrection as a president who continues to show his contempt for the Constitution, the rule of law, and his incompetence for the job.
Indabuff Posted February 6 Report Posted February 6 20 hours ago, LGR4GM said: Oh yea, all the corruption at the... checks notes... National Oceanic and Atmospheric Administration. https://www.wired.com/story/doge-engineer-noaa-data-google-musk-climate-project-2025/ "The agency has long been a target of conservatives; the Project 2025 policy tome calls for it to be broken up and downsized, and for the work of the National Weather Service—which sits within NOAA—to be largely privatized." NOAA started the fires in California by manipulating the weather. 1
Hank Posted February 6 Report Posted February 6 20 hours ago, K-9 said: I have to laugh at the concern about USAID in Afghanistan when pallets of money, literally billions of dollars over the years, delivered by our military and meant to buy loyalty from various tribal leaders, just somehow ended up disappearing before ever getting in the in the hands of the intended. But hey, corruption is corruption after all. And I don’t give a crap anymore about whatever Biden botched or not. He’s relegated to history. The concern is the current group who intend to destroy our government. The bolded is 100% correct, I participated in some of it. I agree with you about putting Biden in the rear view and focusing on the current and future. I see now point in constantly looking back and bitching about mistakes made after the fact. Regarding Doge: I like the concept. The practice of it may be questionable, but I think it's a good thing. I want waste eliminated and corruption uncovered, and those who committed it prosecuted. I'm less concerned with who's in charge of it. I don't believe USAID is the only thing they're looking into, I think it's where the initial focus is and there will be more to follow. Regarding democrats: if you watched any of the DNC elections it was a complete shitshow. They learned nothing from the last election. I think the biggest thing that killed Harris was the Dems/CNN/MSNBC lying to us for years about Biden being "sharp as a tack", and it passed alot of voters on the dem side. Harris couldn't escape the association being his VP, and many democrats voted for Trump or just didn't vote. I think if the party doesn’t make some fundamental changes, and quick, they'll have no chance of regaining the house OR congress in 26 and we'll be swearing in President Vance in 29 (with possibly Trump as his VP?) Trump: I don't like him and didn't vote for him but I don't hate him as much as you do. He's an ***** and a lying blowhard but over the first two weeks I think there's been more good than bad.
LGR4GM Posted February 6 Report Posted February 6 1 minute ago, Hank said: The bolded is 100% correct, I participated in some of it. I agree with you about putting Biden in the rear view and focusing on the current and future. I see now point in constantly looking back and bitching about mistakes made after the fact. Regarding Doge: I like the concept. The practice of it may be questionable, but I think it's a good thing. I want waste eliminated and corruption uncovered, and those who committed it prosecuted. I'm less concerned with who's in charge of it. I don't believe USAID is the only thing they're looking into, I think it's where the initial focus is and there will be more to follow. Regarding democrats: if you watched any of the DNC elections it was a complete shitshow. They learned nothing from the last election. I think the biggest thing that killed Harris was the Dems/CNN/MSNBC lying to us for years about Biden being "sharp as a tack", and it passed alot of voters on the dem side. Harris couldn't escape the association being his VP, and many democrats voted for Trump or just didn't vote. I think if the party doesn’t make some fundamental changes, and quick, they'll have no chance of regaining the house OR congress in 26 and we'll be swearing in President Vance in 29 (with possibly Trump as his VP?) Trump: I don't like him and didn't vote for him but I don't hate him as much as you do. He's an ***** and a lying blowhard but over the first two weeks I think there's been more good than bad. Tell us and provide links so we know what corruption musk has uncovered. Would love to read about it.
Hank Posted February 6 Report Posted February 6 1 minute ago, LGR4GM said: Tell us and provide links so we know what corruption musk has uncovered. Would love to read about it. I have no desire to communicate with you at all. I don't respect you. I'd prefer you skipped over my posts and pretended I don't exist. Now I'll go back to pretending you don't exist.
LGR4GM Posted February 6 Report Posted February 6 4 minutes ago, Hank said: I have no desire to communicate with you at all. I don't respect you. I'd prefer you skipped over my posts and pretended I don't exist. Now I'll go back to pretending you don't exist. Got it, you have no answer.
LGR4GM Posted February 6 Report Posted February 6 Ddoge staffer resigns after it comes out he's a racist. https://www.wsj.com/tech/doge-staffer-resigns-over-racist-posts-d9f11a93 He had posted the following his social media over the years: "I was racist before it was cool" "I would not mind if Gaza and Israel were wiped off the face of the Earth" “You could not pay me to marry outside of my ethnicity" “Normalize Indian hate"
K-9 Posted February 7 Author Report Posted February 7 How is Musk breaking the law you ask? Some food for thought: https://www.vox.com/politics/398618/elon-musk-doge-illegal-lawbreaking-analysis
K-9 Posted February 7 Author Report Posted February 7 1 hour ago, Hank said: The bolded is 100% correct, I participated in some of it. I agree with you about putting Biden in the rear view and focusing on the current and future. I see now point in constantly looking back and bitching about mistakes made after the fact. Regarding Doge: I like the concept. The practice of it may be questionable, but I think it's a good thing. I want waste eliminated and corruption uncovered, and those who committed it prosecuted. I'm less concerned with who's in charge of it. I don't believe USAID is the only thing they're looking into, I think it's where the initial focus is and there will be more to follow. Regarding democrats: if you watched any of the DNC elections it was a complete shitshow. They learned nothing from the last election. I think the biggest thing that killed Harris was the Dems/CNN/MSNBC lying to us for years about Biden being "sharp as a tack", and it passed alot of voters on the dem side. Harris couldn't escape the association being his VP, and many democrats voted for Trump or just didn't vote. I think if the party doesn’t make some fundamental changes, and quick, they'll have no chance of regaining the house OR congress in 26 and we'll be swearing in President Vance in 29 (with possibly Trump as his VP?) Trump: I don't like him and didn't vote for him but I don't hate him as much as you do. He's an ***** and a lying blowhard but over the first two weeks I think there's been more good than bad. Per the bold, do you think DOGE is the first and only government entity charged with rooting out corruption and fraud in various government agencies? Do you find it mere coincidence that Trump summarily fired 17 Inspectors General (illegally I might add) before sicking DOGE on various agencies? Do you also find it ironic and hypocritical that the sitting Senator from Florida was the CEO of a company convicted of 14 felony counts of defrauding medicare, medicaid, and other government agencies?
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