GDT: Preds @ Sabres, Goatheads, Rob Ray induction 7pm. MSG+, NHLN, WGR

[pastajoe]

2 hours ago, Crusader1969 said:

In what world would that be my obligation?

You’re the one who wanted fans to chant, “sell the team”.

[French Collection]

I do not feel bad for Nashville but they are an example of a rebuild on the fly gone wrong.

They have an all star goalie in Saros, a Norris defenseman in Josi and a top line forward in Forsberg. They added Cup winners with some tread on their tires like Stamkos, O’Reilly, Marchesseault and Schenn. Their coach is considered very good and their GM has tons of NHL experience, mainly as a coach.

They don’t seem to have any strong prospects on the big club and are lacking some offensive punch. There should be plenty of leadership to get them through adversity.

It’s interesting how you can add experience and talent but not have chemistry.

Zucker is such a good fit for Buffalo, they need more like him.

[\GoBillsInDallas/]

 

[LGR4GM]

50 minutes ago, French Collection said:

I do not feel bad for Nashville but they are an example of a rebuild on the fly gone wrong.

They have an all star goalie in Saros, a Norris defenseman in Josi and a top line forward in Forsberg. They added Cup winners with some tread on their tires like Stamkos, O’Reilly, Marchesseault and Schenn. Their coach is considered very good and their GM has tons of NHL experience, mainly as a coach.

They don’t seem to have any strong prospects on the big club and are lacking some offensive punch. There should be plenty of leadership to get them through adversity.

It’s interesting how you can add experience and talent but not have chemistry.

Zucker is such a good fit for Buffalo, they need more like him.

Saw something the other day that Nashville is scoring -33 expected goals this season which is just insanely poor. I'm curious to see if they run it back with minor improvements if they radically do better next year. I'd bet they do. It's like last year when Vancouver scored +35xgf and then regressed hard. 

[PromoTheRobot]

2 hours ago, French Collection said:

I do not feel bad for Nashville but they are an example of a rebuild on the fly gone wrong.

They have an all star goalie in Saros, a Norris defenseman in Josi and a top line forward in Forsberg. They added Cup winners with some tread on their tires like Stamkos, O’Reilly, Marchesseault and Schenn. Their coach is considered very good and their GM has tons of NHL experience, mainly as a coach.

They don’t seem to have any strong prospects on the big club and are lacking some offensive punch. There should be plenty of leadership to get them through adversity.

It’s interesting how you can add experience and talent but not have chemistry.

Zucker is such a good fit for Buffalo, they need more like him.

Doesn't Nashville have all the awesome free agents that you need to be a winner?

[JohnC]

13 minutes ago, PromoTheRobot said:

Doesn't Nashville have all the awesome free agents that you need to be a winner?

The Sabres didn't need to pursue costly free agents to be a winner. What they needed to do is bring in another Zucker or two like players to strengthen the forward lines and provide more support for the young core that was already here. And if our clueless GM would have added another experienced blueline defensive oriented player or two that unit would be more balanced and effective. 

The Sabres were in the same strata as Ottawa, Columbus, Detroit, NYI and Montreal. Most of them are around at least 10 pts higher in the standings than where we are. The attainable additions could have been made this offseason. Our Howdy Doody GM misjudged our roster and failed to provide the right support players to make this team better. This has been a self-sabotaging season when it didn't need to be this way. 

You don't have to point out the failings of other organizations when you have a generational failure right in front of you. 

[triumph_communes]

Sabres would have a winning record if Greenway didn’t get hurt

[Pimlach]

Well, Rob Ray night has come and gone.  I am happy it well for him. Quite a character.  Hockey has always had its share.  

His speech gave us insight into the past and it was nice to hear his stories about Van Boxmeer, Dudley, Nolan, May, Barnaby, Ruff, etc. 

What's next for the season?  

[JohnC]

7 minutes ago, triumph_communes said:

Sabres would have a winning record if Greenway didn’t get hurt

I doubt that would be the case. And it should be noted that I am a Greenway fan. If we had another Zucker and Greenway type players on this roster, then I would agree with your "winning record" comment. 

[triumph_communes]

5 minutes ago, JohnC said:

I doubt that would be the case. And it should be noted that I am a Greenway fan. If we had another Zucker and Greenway type players on this roster, then I would agree with your "winning record" comment. 

We did. Then he got hurt. Then we lost 10 or whatever in a row. We were too thin on useful vets and we lost one and was done 

[JohnC]

5 minutes ago, triumph_communes said:

We did. Then he got hurt. Then we lost 10 or whatever in a row. We were too thin on useful vets and we lost one and was done 

Not having enough veterans to complement the young core is my point that goes beyond one particular player. Injuries are inevitable. No team can avoid dealing with that issue because it affects every team in this crash sport. Our roster needed to be thickened and better balanced. It wasn't and isn't. That's a GM responsibility. When the owner hired an unqualified GM he ended up getting the work product of an unqualified GM. I blame the silent and inscrutable owner for this self-sabotaging hiring mistake. 

[Crusader1969]

8 hours ago, pastajoe said:

You’re the one who wanted fans to chant, “sell the team”.

Yes he should sell the team and hopefully he finds someone who will keep the team in Buffalo. 
I seriously doubt anyone (besides you) will ask for my input 

[Crusader1969]

28 minutes ago, triumph_communes said:

Sabres would have a winning record if Greenway didn’t get hurt

Shouldn't it be Dahlin not Greenway ?  Both injuries hurt the club but one did way more damage than the other 

[JohnC]

28 minutes ago, Pimlach said:

Well, Rob Ray night has come and gone.  I am happy it well for him. Quite a character.  Hockey has always had its share.  

His speech gave us insight into the past and it was nice to hear his stories about Van Boxmeer, Dudley, Nolan, May, Barnaby, Ruff, etc. 

What's next for the season?  

I'm realistic to recognize that it's unlikely (duh) that the Sabres will make the playoffs. But this team (I believe) is talented enough to make a futile run and get into the playoff race. It's also important that this team seriously compete to demonstrate to themselves and other players in the league that this isn't a lost cause franchise that players will prefer to avoid. 

Systemic losing is corrosive to players who by nature are competitive. We have gotten to the point where not only outside players don't want to come here but also our best players already here want out of this cesspool situation. (Eichel, Reinhart, Ullmark etc.)

The difference between being a competitive team and a team that goes by the wayside is not always large. I believe that is the case with this team/roster. As I have stated ad nauseum here, to the annoyance of many who hate repetition, that if our GM would have been more intelligent in assessing his roster and addressing its deficiencies and imbalances this past offseason, we would now be in a much better situation this season. So what do we end up? Another freaking throw away season! It didn't need to be this way! Our silent owner made an outlandish hire for the GM position so that he would have an unfettered ability to tinker with his toy franchise. We are where we are because of him. Ownership matters!

[PromoTheRobot]

1 hour ago, JohnC said:

The Sabres didn't need to pursue costly free agents to be a winner. What they needed to do is bring in another Zucker or two like players to strengthen the forward lines and provide more support for the young core that was already here. And if our clueless GM would have added another experienced blueline defensive oriented player or two that unit would be more balanced and effective. 

The Sabres were in the same strata as Ottawa, Columbus, Detroit, NYI and Montreal. Most of them are around at least 10 pts higher in the standings than where we are. The attainable additions could have been made this offseason. Our Howdy Doody GM misjudged our roster and failed to provide the right support players to make this team better. This has been a self-sabotaging season when it didn't need to be this way. 

You don't have to point out the failings of other organizations when you have a generational failure right in front of you. 

😂 I distinctly recall one failure was not signing Stamkos. 

46 minutes ago, Crusader1969 said:

Yes he should sell the team and hopefully he finds someone who will keep the team in Buffalo. 
I seriously doubt anyone (besides you) will ask for my input 

But what if he doesn't?

[pastajoe]

46 minutes ago, Crusader1969 said:

Yes he should sell the team and hopefully he finds someone who will keep the team in Buffalo. 
I seriously doubt anyone (besides you) will ask for my input 

Yet in your expert opinion you said he should do something that is not a realistic possibility. 😒

[Stoner]

1 hour ago, Pimlach said:

Well, Rob Ray night has come and gone.  I am happy it well for him. Quite a character.  Hockey has always had its share.  

His speech gave us insight into the past and it was nice to hear his stories about Van Boxmeer, Dudley, Nolan, May, Barnaby, Ruff, etc. 

What's next for the season?  

Too bad it started so early. I wonder why. People do have jobs.

What's next? Do you Jiri-really have to ask? Behold the future.

[JohnC]

17 minutes ago, PromoTheRobot said:

😂 I distinctly recall one failure was not signing Stamkos. 

But what if he doesn't?

There was not a scintilla of chance that the Sabres were a destination that Stamkos was interesting in coming to. Were there people here who were clamoring to get him? Sure there were. But they weren't the sober ones who already knew that a snowball had a better chance surviving in hell than he choosing to come here. Let's get real!

[Thorner]

1 hour ago, triumph_communes said:

Sabres would have a winning record if Greenway didn’t get hurt

McDavid like impacts

I agree 

[Derrico]

1 hour ago, JohnC said:

Not having enough veterans to complement the young core is my point that goes beyond one particular player. Injuries are inevitable. No team can avoid dealing with that issue because it affects every team in this crash sport. Our roster needed to be thickened and better balanced. It wasn't and isn't. That's a GM responsibility. When the owner hired an unqualified GM he ended up getting the work product of an unqualified GM. I blame the silent and inscrutable owner for this self-sabotaging hiring mistake. 

Thank you.  Players get hurt every single year on every single team.  The Sabres will inevitably run into injuries next season too.  If we’re depending on every player staying healthy all season we’re already cooked.  I like Greenway but this is no franchise savior and better not be some excuse for how poor this season has gone. 

[Thorner]

2 hours ago, PromoTheRobot said:

Doesn't Nashville have all the awesome free agents that you need to be a winner?

I agree with the implication here, too: FA and trades won’t build a winner, Nashville failing proves that, doesn’t matter about the last 100 years of the league, what have you done for me lately? Their example proves the direction folly

 

[Thorner]

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Baker is just swimming in an embarrassment of riches. Over a decade of fattening up to the brim in the luxury sweet with prospect content 

the Elon musk of hockey prospects. No one has lived a more robust sporting life than Sabres prospect prognosticators since 2011

The most magical thing - when do you think the point was he and the others realized that it *literally* didn’t matter how these players and their prognostications turned out by way of the nhl, by way of team success? that the fawning over the prospects doing prospect things was the means to it’s end in itself?

the freedom.

or, better said: the Racket

Edited Saturday at 05:12 PM by Thorner

[steveoat87]

1 hour ago, JohnC said:

I doubt that would be the case. And it should be noted that I am a Greenway fan. If we had another Zucker and Greenway type players on this roster, then I would agree with your "winning record" comment. 

If we had a healthy Greenway and Dahlin, would not have had a 13 game losing streak.  Everything might have been different.

[SHAAAUGHT!!!]

22 hours ago, JohnC said:

If the owner is involved in the induction I hope the fans don't boo. Not because the owner doesn't deserve to be booed but because it would be unfair to Razor on his special day. 

 

19 hours ago, OverPowerYou said:

Is anyone here going? I want updates as to any booing 

 

16 hours ago, respk said:

Please bring back Doug. His version is so much better than any others they have come up with.

 

The only booing I heard all night was when Doug was singing the anthems.  It was loud and happened throughout.  

Doug Allen is not coming back.

Also, they did not show Terry and Kim, or KA, on the jumbo train during the game (at least that I noticed).  It seems the production team was playing it extra safe.

[Stoner]

22 minutes ago, Thorner said:

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Baker is just swimming in an embarrassment of riches. Over a decade of fattening up to the brim in the luxury sweet with prospect content 

the Elon musk of hockey prospects. No one has lived a more robust sporting life than Sabres prospect prognosticators since 2011

The most magical thing - when do you think the point was he and the others realized that it *literally* didn’t matter how these players and their prognostications turned out by way of the nhl, by way of team success? that the fawning over the prospects doing prospect things was the means to it’s end in itself?

the freedom.

or, better said: the Racket

Direct line to Duffer too.

Just now, SHAAAUGHT!!! said:

 

 

The only booing I heard all night was when Doug was singing the anthems.  It was loud and happened throughout.  

Doug Allen is not coming back.

Also, they did not show Terry and Kim, or KA, on the jumbo train during the game (at least that I noticed).  It seems the production team was playing it extra safe.

Age old question... booing or Dooging? Vogl reported it as booing back in the day.