K-9 Posted January 30 Report Posted January 30 The gist of this unattributed quote is that Trump’s supporters don’t measure his success by what he does FOR them, but rather by what he does AGAINST the people they dislike. The age old “others” as the common enemy theme. Over the years, I’ve asked family members, friends, and others to list his policies that have benefitted them directly and how that benefit manifested. That has proved challenging, so I’m throwing the question out to a wider audience. I’m not looking to argue here, I’m only interested in whatever information his supporters may provide. Thanks in advance.
SABRES 0311 Posted January 31 Report Posted January 31 Depends on the person. For me its: -Foreign policy as it relates to military application. -Domestic economics with an understanding geoeconomics has an impact. -The border is part of the first issue because of trafficking and potential for extremists to gain entry. I personally am less concerned about domestic sociopolitical issues but am not apathetic towards them. 1
LGR4GM Posted January 31 Report Posted January 31 (edited) 12 hours ago, SABRES 0311 said: Depends on the person. For me its: -Foreign policy as it relates to military application. -Domestic economics with an understanding geoeconomics has an impact. -The border is part of the first issue because of trafficking and potential for extremists to gain entry. I personally am less concerned about domestic sociopolitical issues but am not apathetic towards them. What is Donald Trump's "policy" for domestic economics? Edited January 31 by LGR4GM
SwampD Posted January 31 Report Posted January 31 5 hours ago, LGR4GM said: What is Donald Trump's "policy" for domestic economics? Blame women and minorities for plane crashes.
SABRES 0311 Posted February 1 Report Posted February 1 12 hours ago, LGR4GM said: What is Donald Trump's "policy" for domestic economics? Proposed ideas include: -Cutting federal taxes on tips, overtime pay, and Social Security benefits. -Deregulation in the energy sector. Exporting liquid natural gas. -25% tariffs on Canadian and Mexican exports. -Doesn’t look shy of using tariffs as a political weapon like with Columbia.
LGR4GM Posted February 1 Report Posted February 1 (edited) On 1/31/2025 at 9:16 PM, SABRES 0311 said: Proposed ideas include: -Cutting federal taxes on tips, overtime pay, and Social Security benefits. -Deregulation in the energy sector. Exporting liquid natural gas. -25% tariffs on Canadian and Mexican exports. -Doesn’t look shy of using tariffs as a political weapon like with Columbia. He literally backed down from Colombia. The US became the largest exporter of liquid natural gas in 2023. Edited February 2 by LGR4GM Spelling
SABRES 0311 Posted February 1 Report Posted February 1 (edited) 6 hours ago, LGR4GM said: He literally backed down from Columbia. The US became the largest exporter of liquid natural gas in 2023. He didn’t back down on the Colombian tariff. Columbia conceded and there was no reason to enact the tariff. https://amp.cnn.com/cnn/2025/01/26/politics/colombia-tariffs-trump-deportation-flights I didn’t even say I was for or against tariffs. Just that Trump has made them a part of his economic plan. Edited February 1 by SABRES 0311
atoq Posted February 2 Report Posted February 2 17 hours ago, SABRES 0311 said: He didn’t back down on the Colombian tariff. Columbia conceded and there was no reason to enact the tariff. https://amp.cnn.com/cnn/2025/01/26/politics/colombia-tariffs-trump-deportation-flights I didn’t even say I was for or against tariffs. Just that Trump has made them a part of his economic plan. What exactly was accomplished with the Colombia tariff spat? Colombia accepted planes of returned migrants throughout the Biden administration. I appreciate you at least learned how to spell Colombia after your first post and checking with CNN.
LTS Posted February 2 Report Posted February 2 1 hour ago, atoq said: What exactly was accomplished with the Colombia tariff spat? Colombia accepted planes of returned migrants throughout the Biden administration. I appreciate you at least learned how to spell Colombia after your first post and checking with CNN. If I am recalling the situation correctly, Colombia was going to deny the planes. It doesn't matter what they had done prior. It matters that they said they would deny the planes. Trump threatened a tariff and Colombia changed course. Regardless of opinions on the matter those items seem factual. Also, let's not interject petty personal attacks regarding spelling. You knew what was being discussed. If you were unsure if the poster meant the country Colombia you could have asked for clarification.
Weave Posted February 2 Report Posted February 2 34 minutes ago, LTS said: If I am recalling the situation correctly, Colombia was going to deny the planes. It doesn't matter what they had done prior. It matters that they said they would deny the planes. Trump threatened a tariff and Colombia changed course. Regardless of opinions on the matter those items seem factual. Also, let's not interject petty personal attacks regarding spelling. You knew what was being discussed. If you were unsure if the poster meant the country Colombia you could have asked for clarification. Wasn’t the issue military planes landing in Colombia, or am I thinking of another herding of animals, er I mean illegal immigrants?
LGR4GM Posted February 2 Report Posted February 2 3 hours ago, atoq said: What exactly was accomplished with the Colombia tariff spat? Colombia accepted planes of returned migrants throughout the Biden administration. I appreciate you at least learned how to spell Colombia after your first post and checking with CNN. I spelled it wrong, my bad.
atoq Posted February 2 Report Posted February 2 (edited) 3 hours ago, LTS said: If I am recalling the situation correctly, Colombia was going to deny the planes. It doesn't matter what they had done prior. It matters that they said they would deny the planes. Trump threatened a tariff and Colombia changed course. Regardless of opinions on the matter those items seem factual. Also, let's not interject petty personal attacks regarding spelling. You knew what was being discussed. If you were unsure if the poster meant the country Colombia you could have asked for clarification. Colombia received migrants prior to this administration. The tariff threat was a reaction to a crisis of Trump's own making by acting needlessly cruel for no purpose. Please explain how anyone is any better off after this. Edited February 2 by atoq
SABRES 0311 Posted February 2 Report Posted February 2 8 hours ago, atoq said: What exactly was accomplished with the Colombia tariff spat? Colombia accepted planes of returned migrants throughout the Biden administration. I appreciate you at least learned how to spell Colombia after your first post and checking with CNN. COLOMBIA refused to accept the migrants. Trump threatened Tarrifs. COLOMBIA accepted the migrants. If COLOMBIA had always accepted their migrants back, why did they refuse this time?
SABRES 0311 Posted February 2 Report Posted February 2 (edited) 16 hours ago, Weave said: Wasn’t the issue military planes landing in Colombia, or am I thinking of another herding of animals, er I mean illegal immigrants? The issue was Colombian President, Petro felt the deportees were being treated like criminals by being flown on U.S. military aircraft. Edit: Looks like Colombia will be picking their people up. Since putting them on a military aircraft supposedly makes them look like criminals, Colombia is using their Air Force. Edited February 3 by SABRES 0311
LTS Posted February 2 Report Posted February 2 5 hours ago, atoq said: Colombia received migrants prior to this administration. The tariff threat was a reaction to a crisis of Trump's own making by acting needlessly cruel for no purpose. Please explain how anyone is any better off after this. I'm not attempting to explain how anyone is any better off. I'm explaining what happened. That is all.
SABRES 0311 Posted February 3 Report Posted February 3 6 hours ago, atoq said: Colombia received migrants prior to this administration. The tariff threat was a reaction to a crisis of Trump's own making by acting needlessly cruel for no purpose. Please explain how anyone is any better off after this. What do you mean by needlessly cruel? In your own words previous administrations have deported illegal immigrants back to Colombia. The tariff threat was a result of the Colombian president not accepting them because he said military planes made them look like criminals. They accepted their people and the tariff was rescinded.
SABRES 0311 Posted February 3 Report Posted February 3 This puts a little wrinkle in China’s Belt and Road Initiative. https://m.economictimes.com/news/international/global-trends/wont-renew-belt-and-road-deal-with-china-says-panama-president-amid-us-pressure/amp_articleshow/117872447.cms
atoq Posted February 3 Report Posted February 3 On 2/2/2025 at 4:17 PM, SABRES 0311 said: COLOMBIA refused to accept the migrants. Trump threatened Tarrifs. COLOMBIA accepted the migrants. If COLOMBIA had always accepted their migrants back, why did they refuse this time? COLOMBIA accepted migrants under the previous administration. Trump administration treated people as subhuman. COLOMBIA refused to accept the migrants under those conditions. Trump threatened tariffs. COLOMBIA accepted migrants under different conditions. 22 hours ago, SABRES 0311 said: What do you mean by needlessly cruel? In your own words previous administrations have deported illegal immigrants back to Colombia. The tariff threat was a result of the Colombian president not accepting them because he said military planes made them look like criminals. They accepted their people and the tariff was rescinded. Referring to handcuffing and binding the feet of non-violent offenders, not giving any water and not letting people use the bathroom for 5+ hour flights on military aircraft. Again I repeat: Please tell me how anyone is better off now than before Trump, when Colombia also accepted migrants.
SABRES 0311 Posted February 4 Report Posted February 4 (edited) 2 hours ago, atoq said: COLOMBIA accepted migrants under the previous administration. Trump administration treated people as subhuman. COLOMBIA refused to accept the migrants under those conditions. Trump threatened tariffs. COLOMBIA accepted migrants under different conditions. Referring to handcuffing and binding the feet of non-violent offenders, not giving any water and not letting people use the bathroom for 5+ hour flights on military aircraft. Again I repeat: Please tell me how anyone is better off now than before Trump, when Colombia also accepted migrants. As far as the Colombians having criminal records there are conflicting statements between Petro and Trump. Neither have provided proof so I don’t believe either of them until that happens. I agree with you on how they were treated. No water is a hard line for me. It is cruel and I have been in situations where detainees were provided water and more at a minimum. If they were all non violent then children and elderly should’ve been afforded the bathroom. Leg restraints would be on a person by person basis but unnecessary for children and elderly women. When it comes to handcuffing, for children I think it’s unnecessary. For adults, you better believe they are getting cuffed if we are in a steel tube 30k feet in the air. I don’t care what your record, nationality, gender, race, or religion is. These people were desperate enough to break U.S. law to either gain entry or stay. They come from a country where cartels, corruption, murder, and trafficking have made them desperate. Desperate people do unpredictable things. In an airplane I am more worried about reducing their capability to act out in desperation than I am about their comfortability. So, on quite a bit of things we can agree but the handcuffing of adults, specifically military aged males is not one of them. In flight security takes priority, period. Edited February 4 by SABRES 0311
SABRES 0311 Posted February 4 Report Posted February 4 3 hours ago, atoq said: Again I repeat: Please tell me how anyone is better off now than before Trump, when Colombia also accepted migrants. Deportations in general, deportations of non violent illegal immigrants, or the tariffs?
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