GDT: Penguins @ Sabres, Jan 17, 2025 - 7:00PM, MSG 📺, WGR550 📻 🎙

[LGR4GM]

32 minutes ago, Pimlach said:

and don't forget the arena.   

And the palm trees 🌴 

[Pimlach]

1 hour ago, Crusader1969 said:

I agree.  I want a huge fan revolt.   Here is the issue. , the Sabres no longer have the passionate fan base to pull something like that off 

not to mention there is a huge portion of the fan base that is left is  too scared to piss off Terry in fear he will sell the team and the next owner relocate the team 

 

 

I cannot agree with him selling the Sabres to outside interests, it would alienate him with many Bills and Bandits fans.  

In a perfect scenario, a Buffalo based business consortium buys 51% of the Sabres from Terry and they run the team, including the Amerks.  Probably not gonna happen though.  

[Sidc3000]

4 hours ago, Archie Lee said:

There were reports of them coming off No-Trade lists. When Erik Johnson signed, he said he asked around the league and players were high on what the Sabres were doing. 

That was coming off the “career year” season. 

[Thorner]

5 hours ago, mjd1001 said:

I agree.

So when people ask why the Bills are not bad while the Sabres are bad under Pegula, what you said is the best answer. He doesn't view the Bills, for WHATEVER reason', as his 'toy' to play with as much as he does the Sabres.

The big issue is...if that is true there are no signs of it changing.  The trip to Montreal, the meeting with the players to say basically "nothing is going to change" was as strange as it is disturbing (for fans).

You have it almost completely backwards. The issue with the sabres is neglect not that he’s too involved 

Adams’ mandate is “if you are going to be bad, at least do it on the cheap.” The purpose of the Sabres is to be cost-effective. To spend within the internal cap. We are a bad team because we spend less than everyone and are younger than everyone and those 2 things are part and parcel. 

it’s legitimately not rocket science. The idea Terry is obsessed with the day to day and is in the office crunching numbers and making roster decisions in the micro is utterly laughable. I don’t even know where that meme started. That’s not that’s what’s happening: he just barely gives a rats arse 

Edited Saturday at 10:06 PM by Thorner

[Crusader1969]

1 hour ago, Pimlach said:

 

I cannot agree with him selling the Sabres to outside interests, it would alienate him with many Bills and Bandits fans.  

In a perfect scenario, a Buffalo based business consortium buys 51% of the Sabres from Terry and they run the team, including the Amerks.  Probably not gonna happen though.  

Assume Terry is never gonna change when it comes to the Sabres.   Always thinking he is a hockey guy and getting involved way too much and won't hire anyone who isn't a "yes" 

would you take that vs sell the team ?

[Thorner]

So the fact we are the youngest team in hockey, with one of the lowest payrolls, two factors that *demonstrably* predict failure (on their own! Never mind together) historically, is just a coincidence, and the reason we are *actually*  bad is a bunch of shadow transactions on the the regular from Terry, uncover, pulling the strings on waiver pickups and which deals to make… come on lol. It’s the parameters! Terry is at fault for the handcuffs being imposed, and the putrid hiring record of under qualified candidates. We don’t need further explanation, an invented boogey-man of pretending Terry is actually the guy making the micro decisions: he doesn’t have to. The poor results are already guaranteed and explained by the poor hiring record, candidates which are then further limited on top of that through cap constraints

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we’d be in the playoffs by now if Terry’s crime was caring too much. He’d have spent and spent and eventually got it right once. The problem is MUCH worse. Worse than love, worse than hate. It’s neglect. 

Edited Saturday at 10:26 PM by Thorner

[PerreaultForever]

9 hours ago, LGR4GM said:

You're nitpicking. 

Likely true, but I see moments of this every year. Players really content or even happy when they are losing. It's a culture thing I don't see on other teams I watch. Very rare at least. 

[PerreaultForever]

Just now, Thorner said:

So the fact we are the youngest team in hockey, with one of the lowest payrolls, two factors that *demonstrably* predict failure (on their own! Never mind together) historically, is just a coincidence, and the reason we are *actually*  bad is a bunch of shadow transactions on the the regular from Terry, uncover, pulling the strings on waiver pickups and which deals to make… come on lol. It’s the parameters! Terry is at fault for the handcuffs being imposed, and the putrid hiring record of under qualified candidates. We don’t need further explanation, an invented boogey-man of pretending Terry is actually the guy making the micro decisions: he doesn’t have to. The poor are already guaranteed and explained by the poor hiring record, candidates which are there further limited on top of that through cap constraints

Interesting stat on that young thing. I heard in the Flyers game today that the Flyers have the most production from players under the age of 23 of any NHL team. Now a rookie like Michkov skews that obviously but perhaps being young vs. producing at a young age have to be looked at separately. In any event the guys we have talked about most this year are Zucker and McLeod and not the youth. 

[Thorner]

1 minute ago, PerreaultForever said:

Interesting stat on that young thing. I heard in the Flyers game today that the Flyers have the most production from players under the age of 23 of any NHL team. Now a rookie like Michkov skews that obviously but perhaps being young vs. producing at a young age have to be looked at separately. In any event the guys we have talked about most this year are Zucker and McLeod and not the youth. 

A .500 team out of the playoffs, not very surprising tbh 

[inkman]

3 hours ago, LGR4GM said:

And the palm trees 🌴 

It’s wasn’t funny 5 minutes after he said it 

[HILLsabre]

21 hours ago, JohninMinn. said:

If ever a team needed a sports psychologist this is the one. Im convinced there's a lot of talent and no confidence amongst all these #1's

Disagree...not as much talent as everyone wants to believe. Proof is in the pudding!

[mjd1001]

2 hours ago, Thorner said:

You have it almost completely backwards. The issue with the sabres is neglect not that he’s too involved 

Adams’ mandate is “if you are going to be bad, at least do it on the cheap.” The purpose of the Sabres is to be cost-effective. To spend within the internal cap. We are a bad team because we spend less than everyone and are younger than everyone and those 2 things are part and parcel. 

it’s legitimately not rocket science. The idea Terry is obsessed with the day to day and is in the office crunching numbers and making roster decisions in the micro is utterly laughable. I don’t even know where that meme started. That’s not that’s what’s happening: he just barely gives a rats arse 

Totally, 100% disagree.

[Broken Ankles]

4 hours ago, PerreaultForever said:

Interesting stat on that young thing. I heard in the Flyers game today that the Flyers have the most production from players under the age of 23 of any NHL team. Now a rookie like Michkov skews that obviously but perhaps being young vs. producing at a young age have to be looked at separately. In any event the guys we have talked about most this year are Zucker and McLeod and not the youth. 

Flyers 49 points under 23, Sabres 48.  Michkov has 32.  If you change to 23 and under, Sabres 143 PHILLY 89.  It’s Sabres with 305 Games played for those 23 and under vs. Flyers 211.  Even if Quinn or Benson produced more it’s the shear volume of players/GP by the youth killing this season.  

[Stoner]

Terry could always face the music and answer questions and provide at least a little clarity.

[PerreaultForever]

22 minutes ago, Broken Ankles said:

Flyers 49 points under 23, Sabres 48.  Michkov has 32.  If you change to 23 and under, Sabres 143 PHILLY 89.  It’s Sabres with 305 Games played for those 23 and under vs. Flyers 211.  Even if Quinn or Benson produced more it’s the shear volume of players/GP by the youth killing this season.  

Ya, I'm not suggesting the Flyers are any better right now, just that with all the young team stuff we have, those young players should be producing more. If they aren't, it's a mistake to be relying on them, which I guess we all already know by the standings. This is what Kevyn has given us. 

[LabattBlue]

6 hours ago, inkman said:

It’s wasn’t funny 5 minutes after he said it 

You are right.  It was never funny.  More like downright embarrassing.  

[Thorner]

11 hours ago, Stoner said:

Terry could always face the music and answer questions and provide at least a little clarity.

The fact he doesn’t only serves to make the picture crystal clear, though. I mean, I wonder which category “non-responsive, barely present” owner more likely falls under? 

-Overbearing day to day meddler who loves the team so much he won’t shut up, who just won’t stop interfering till he gets it right?

-Or does it fall in line more with someone who neglects the team and won’t give them the proper resources to find success? Hmm I wonder. And the team doesn’t spend money either…I suppose that’s what Terry determined in his endless hockey discussions was the way to make team good…it doesn’t line up at alllllll with not giving a sh*te.

The world knows all of his GM hires are under-qualified…cheap hires who won’t complain about the constraints inflicted. Budgetary constraints in the name of winning, right? But, our bad performance can’t *possibly* be explained by these admittedly drastically under-qualified candidates being left to steer the ship, right? The ones being asked to operate on a shoe-string budget? Naaaaaaaah we just can’t know. The owner must be forcing them to make bad hockey decisions TOO! 

It’s gotta be. I can only assume the extremely incompetent Pegula hired very good, capable candidates, for some reason, who are entirely capable (….for some reason??????) of fielding playoff teams on budgets no one else can, if only he had let these guys have a clear run of things to implement the GM plan they came up with after learning about what a “an NHL manager” job is on the day they were first approached to take the job  

[Doohicksie]

On 1/17/2025 at 7:44 PM, Crusader1969 said:

You mean since 2 periods before when they failed to get a shot on goal and barely held a 3 goal lead vs Carolina? 

Yes.  Much worse than that.

[Brawndo]

On 1/17/2025 at 10:44 PM, Pimlach said:

The Washington Generals of the  NHL. 

Terry was aiming to build the next version of the Penguins and instead build the Pirates