Why Are We So, So Bad When Other Team Has Empty Net?

[bob_sauve28]

I'm sort of hoping that when Greenway comes back we improve on this, but this is terrible. Here is a site that measures Empty Net performance but I'm not sure how to read it

 https://morehockeystats.com/teams/en#google_vignette.  

 

They were so good at killing penalties last game you would figure that 6-5 would be the same, but whatever.

 

Is it all just part of the overall third period collapses we see?  

[HumanSlinky39]

10 minutes ago, bob_sauve28 said:

I'm sort of hoping that when Greenway comes back we improve on this, but this is terrible. Here is a site that measures Empty Net performance but I'm not sure how to read it

 https://morehockeystats.com/teams/en#google_vignette.  

 

They were so good at killing penalties last game you would figure that 6-5 would be the same, but whatever.

 

Is it all just part of the overall third period collapses we see?  

I think it's a function of their overall play with a lead. They don't attack, they don't forecheck. They go into a shell and chase the opposition around. Hard to get possession to get off a shot when you aren't trying to.

[mjd1001]

I was thinking of this very thing this morning.

I went to the NHL web site to see how many goals they allowed when the other team brought on the extra skater. I was sure they would be leading the league.

They actually aren't. It still seems like they are really bad at defending it, but there are a few teams worse.

[JP51]

Either our is empty or thiers is... puck control needs to improve 1 on 1 battles in critical areas and faceoffs... none of these imo are strengths of ours. 

[Pimlach]

25 minutes ago, bob_sauve28 said:

I'm sort of hoping that when Greenway comes back we improve on this, but this is terrible. Here is a site that measures Empty Net performance but I'm not sure how to read it

 https://morehockeystats.com/teams/en#google_vignette.  

 

They were so good at killing penalties last game you would figure that 6-5 would be the same, but whatever.

 

Is it all just part of the overall third period collapses we see?  

They treat the puck like a hot potato.  No puck pressure and no puck possession. Lots of icing and lost faceoffs.  

[msw2112]

I think it's mental.  They've squandered so many leads that they mentally lose their focus and start running around like chickens with their heads cut off in their own zone, making passes directly to the other team, etc. rather than doing what they were coached to do.  They panic.  

It really starts earlier in the third-period (pretty much when the 3rd period puck is dropped) and the mental issues are exacerbated when the opposing team pulls their goalie.

Being the youngest team in the league without enough steady-handed and steady-minded veteran players, particularly on defense, also contributes to the problem.

[Stoner]

So wait. What is this other team's net is empty you speak of?

[pi2000]

It's a mental thing... it will pass.i

Right now it seems they're more comfortable with a 1 goal lead rather than a 3 goal lead.

That's how hockey goes sometimes.

I'm not concerned.

 

[DarthEbriate]

The coaches clearly tell them to play passively. It's by design.

The players lack the vision (or again, coaching) to identify moments to attack and capitalize on them (which is odd, because they're fine at that on the PK).

The players (Muel) don't ever realize they have time and space. Don't blindly ice it. Turn, gather yourself, and if you're going to ice it -- shoot it instead. VO style.

 

And worst of all, they don't want it. When the other team pulls its goalie, you should be salivating to pad your stats and punish them. That means winning a puck battle or two.

 

[GASabresIUFAN]

Lack of defensive talent.

[Captain Caveman]

18 minutes ago, GASabresIUFAN said:

Lack of defensive talent.

I do think there's something to the fact that our top line defensemen aren't strong defensively.