Trump and GOP Douches Threatening To Put Conditions on California Fire Aid

[K-9]

I won’t get into the lies and misinformation their rhetoric is loaded with because that is nothing new in the least, but this would set a terrible precedent as we simply cannot threaten to cut off disaster relief aid in order to force policy changes and/or retaliate against blue/red states because of political differences. Simple as that. What’s next, Dems refusing to send aid to Florida and other red states for hurricane, tornado, or flood damages? 

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20 hours ago, K-9 said:

I won’t get into the lies and misinformation their rhetoric is loaded with because that is nothing new in the least, but this would set a terrible precedent as we simply cannot threaten to cut off disaster relief aid in order to force policy changes and/or retaliate against blue/red states because of political differences. Simple as that. What’s next, Dems refusing to send aid to Florida and other red states for hurricane, tornado, or flood damages? 

Can you please provide a link with information for people to consume?

But conversely... these things happen.

https://www.govexec.com/oversight/2024/11/fema-chief-calls-passing-over-trump-supporters-isolated-incident-requests-wider-probe/401146/

I suppose some of those GOP participants should be quoted

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“I think you did your job and I think you did it well,” said Rep. Pete Stauber, R-Minn. “You terminated that employee who weaponized the federal government as quickly as you can, and I think we need to do more of that.”

and naturally more Republicans said it was BS.  So clearly if FEMA withholding aid from Trump supporters is a problem then certainly the Republicans should think that withholding aid from California is a problem.

So, they are all on equal ground as far as I am concerned.  Let's not pretend one side is any more righteous than the other.

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1 hour ago, LTS said:

Can you please provide a link with information for people to consume?

But conversely... these things happen.

https://www.govexec.com/oversight/2024/11/fema-chief-calls-passing-over-trump-supporters-isolated-incident-requests-wider-probe/401146/

I suppose some of those GOP participants should be quoted

and naturally more Republicans said it was BS.  So clearly if FEMA withholding aid from Trump supporters is a problem then certainly the Republicans should think that withholding aid from California is a problem.

So, they are all on equal ground as far as I am concerned.  Let's not pretend one side is any more righteous than the other.

https://www.washingtonpost.com/politics/2025/01/15/trump-newsom-california-fire-aid/

https://www.npr.org/2025/01/15/nx-s1-5259669/california-wildfires-aid-republicans
 

https://www.politico.com/news/2025/01/13/house-republicans-trump-wildfire-aid-00197766

https://www.usatoday.com/story/news/politics/2025/01/13/house-speaker-mike-johnson-california-wildfire-aid/77681997007/
 

Lots of other reports out there. Of course, right wing outlets won’t report it so their lemmings remain as ignorant as ever of the facts. But right wing media has no problem reporting lies, like how LA has run out of water because the dems totally mismanaged that resource when all the reservoirs are full. 
 

And yeah, the Biden administration wasted no time sh*t canning that FEMA employee in NC. Even still, that is one lowly employee of one government agency as compared to the president elect, the speaker of the house, and other prominent gop congressmen publicly advocating placing conditions on federal disaster relief aid.

Disaster relief has ALWAYS been a bi-partisan accommodation; never a question. Until now. Shame on these GOP pukes.
 

 

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2 hours ago, K-9 said:

https://www.washingtonpost.com/politics/2025/01/15/trump-newsom-california-fire-aid/

https://www.npr.org/2025/01/15/nx-s1-5259669/california-wildfires-aid-republicans
 

https://www.politico.com/news/2025/01/13/house-republicans-trump-wildfire-aid-00197766

https://www.usatoday.com/story/news/politics/2025/01/13/house-speaker-mike-johnson-california-wildfire-aid/77681997007/
 

Lots of other reports out there. Of course, right wing outlets won’t report it so their lemmings remain as ignorant as ever of the facts. But right wing media has no problem reporting lies, like how LA has run out of water because the dems totally mismanaged that resource when all the reservoirs are full. 
 

And yeah, the Biden administration wasted no time sh*t canning that FEMA employee in NC. Even still, that is one lowly employee of one government agency as compared to the president elect, the speaker of the house, and other prominent gop congressmen publicly advocating placing conditions on federal disaster relief aid.

Disaster relief has ALWAYS been a bi-partisan accommodation; never a question. Until now. Shame on these GOP pukes.
 

 

Definitely. I only asked so if people wanted to converse on it they could at least refer to any specific coverage you had read.  As far as the FEMA post it was more about how all the Republicans went haywire about it but now it'll be okay.  A joke.

And also about Democrats being just as bad, in their own ways.

I'm equally disgusted with both parties and pretty much always have been.  In my opinion they are the definitive two sides of the same coin. A coin that is fast depreciating in value.

[K-9]

2 hours ago, LTS said:

Definitely. I only asked so if people wanted to converse on it they could at least refer to any specific coverage you had read.  As far as the FEMA post it was more about how all the Republicans went haywire about it but now it'll be okay.  A joke.

And also about Democrats being just as bad, in their own ways.

I'm equally disgusted with both parties and pretty much always have been.  In my opinion they are the definitive two sides of the same coin. A coin that is fast depreciating in value.

Sorry, but I will never buy into the false equivalency arguments about the Democrats “being just as bad.” When it comes to corruption and anti-American ideology, Republicans stand alone. 

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12 hours ago, K-9 said:

Sorry, but I will never buy into the false equivalency arguments about the Democrats “being just as bad.” When it comes to corruption and anti-American ideology, Republicans stand alone. 

In order to talk about "anti-American" you have to define the American ideology. So, in your words, please define that and then I will be able to respond better.

 

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2 hours ago, LTS said:

In order to talk about "anti-American" you have to define the American ideology. So, in your words, please define that and then I will be able to respond better.

 

Conspiring to disenfranchise 82 million voters in 2020, enlisting fake electors in swing states, and fomenting an insurrection are just a few of the more glaring examples. Or how about Mike Lee, GOP Senator from Utah, flat out stating in a Senate hearing that in the United States of America, “Democracy is not the goal, freedom is.”

“Anti American” is less definitive than it is obvious when you see it and hear it. 

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This doesn't help. You are talking about specific incidents.  What is the American ideology that you are considering?  I think everyone has different ideas about it, so how can I respond to your "anti-American" specifically about Democrats unless I know what you consider the points of "American ideology" are.

Neither of us are here to defend the Republicans. You questioned my status on the Democrats, so let's discuss.

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1 hour ago, LTS said:

This doesn't help. You are talking about specific incidents.  What is the American ideology that you are considering?  I think everyone has different ideas about it, so how can I respond to your "anti-American" specifically about Democrats unless I know what you consider the points of "American ideology" are.

Neither of us are here to defend the Republicans. You questioned my status on the Democrats, so let's discuss.

In addition to the anti-American examples I’ve listed previously, I’ll add a few more off the top of my head to further illustrate the point: separating families at the border, banning visitors from Muslim countries, banning books, denying VA health care to trans veterans, eliminating black history curriculums in schools, marginalizing immigrants, LGBTQ, and other minorities. Loyalty oaths as a condition for government employment. These are all self-evident anti American ideals imo.

Yes, everyone has different ideas about what it is to be an American, so I can’t do anything but list specific incidents by the GOP that are contrary to the basic ideals of individual rights and freedoms. If you’re waiting for me to outline what that means to you, don’t waste your time. Perhaps it would be better for me to understand your equivalency to democrats if you provided a list of incidents by them. 

I’ve always thought that individual freedom was something we could all agree on in this country. 
 

 

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19 hours ago, K-9 said:

In addition to the anti-American examples I’ve listed previously, I’ll add a few more off the top of my head to further illustrate the point: separating families at the border, banning visitors from Muslim countries, banning books, denying VA health care to trans veterans, eliminating black history curriculums in schools, marginalizing immigrants, LGBTQ, and other minorities. Loyalty oaths as a condition for government employment. These are all self-evident anti American ideals imo.

Yes, everyone has different ideas about what it is to be an American, so I can’t do anything but list specific incidents by the GOP that are contrary to the basic ideals of individual rights and freedoms. If you’re waiting for me to outline what that means to you, don’t waste your time. Perhaps it would be better for me to understand your equivalency to democrats if you provided a list of incidents by them. 

I’ve always thought that individual freedom was something we could all agree on in this country. 
 

 

Certainly. The Republican party is well known for promoting a certain way of life and are very good at eroding the social freedoms we deserve to have.

The Democratic party is also known for promoting a certain way of life. They are very good at eroding the financial freedoms we deserve to have.

I'll just bring up a few Democratic led initiatives that have imposed restrictions on individual freedoms and rights.

NYS SAFE Act
NYS FMLA Act
Social Security
Unemployment
DIsability

I'm not here to argue the efficacy, justification, or purpose of these programs. I am mentioning these because they either impose an ownership restriction or a financial restriction on people.

The gist of the entire argument is that Democrats and Republicans are both very good at eroding freedoms from its citizens. They do so either individually or through continued bi-partisan partnership. In almost all cases they will cite the "greater good" for the purpose of their actions.

The question will always remain: Who's greater good?

The answer will always be: It depends on if you benefit or are impacted by it, or not.

Usually the discussion will fall back to "Well, it's just common sense."  The problem with that statement is that if it were so common, it wouldn't be a problem, and yet here we are.

As I said, I dislike both parties so do not think I am attacking or defending either of them. The only us vs. them argument in my books is people vs. government, period.