mjd1001 Posted Sunday at 12:02 AM Report Posted Sunday at 12:02 AM 4 minutes ago, jad1 said: Nobody can coach this team. The roster construction is pure trash. This team has the forwards out of position frequently. Guys chase the puck without regard for where their line-mates are. They 'go rogue' on the PK and leave spots open. They (mostly the centers) frequenly go in too deep in the offensive zone when the wingers are already on the boards, allowing odd man rushes against. I see this almost every game. I do not see the Sabres getting as many opportunities by taking advantage of the other team doing it. Meaning the Sabres do it way too much. You would think its a coaching issue, right? Yet they are doing it under Ruff, they did it under Granato, they did it Under Krueger. Some different players, but they did it under Housley. Its the players, a lot of this stuff is simple stuff. You can bring in another coach but if the players just do what they want (It APPEARS that is what is happening), nothing will change. This team needs a heart transplant (or 'core' transplant, if you will). Decide if you want to keep Power or Bryson, and trade the other for the best offer. Cozens, after 2 good weeks of play, is back to his old/bad habits the past few games again (all the things I listed above). Make those 2 moves, maybe another one or 2 and get in a legit 2nd line. Unfortunately Clifton doesn't have a TON of talent, but he plays hard and doesn't get out of position often. This team needs more Cliftons and I guess Zuckers, and less players like Cozens. 1 1 Quote
LGR4GM Posted Sunday at 12:02 AM Report Posted Sunday at 12:02 AM 3 minutes ago, SabresBillsFan said: Top ten pick here they come! Top 10... lmfao. Top 5 1 Quote
Weave Posted Sunday at 12:03 AM Report Posted Sunday at 12:03 AM Well, that game was an exhilarating ride, innit? Quote
ExWNYer Posted Sunday at 12:04 AM Report Posted Sunday at 12:04 AM 2 minutes ago, OverPowerYou said: This is sad. I can’t get my kids interested in hockey At least your kids still have a chance at a happy life. My 22 year old son...born and raised in Virginia...is a diehard Sabres fan. I have failed him as a parent. 2 Quote
jad1 Posted Sunday at 12:04 AM Report Posted Sunday at 12:04 AM 1 minute ago, LGR4GM said: Top 10... lmfao. Top 5 I'd say top 3, but they'll probably 'lose' the lottery. Quote
Sidc3000 Posted Sunday at 12:05 AM Report Posted Sunday at 12:05 AM 3 minutes ago, Flashsabre said: Would LOVE to hear that third period conversation. good!!! Quote
DarthEbriate Posted Sunday at 12:06 AM Report Posted Sunday at 12:06 AM (edited) 6 minutes ago, Flashsabre said: Would LOVE to hear that third period conversation. GM Sheevyn: Have you ever heard the tragedy of Darth Pegulas the Wise? Darth Pegulas the Wise: I have. Sheevyn: I thought not, it's not a story the.... Wait, what? Pegulas: I was in the room. Edited Sunday at 12:09 AM by DarthEbriate 2 Quote
mjd1001 Posted Sunday at 12:06 AM Report Posted Sunday at 12:06 AM (edited) 10 minutes ago, DarthEbriate said: Check that. At the game's conclusion, TNT, Cozens, Zucker, Byram, and Dahlin a combined -16. That's... uh... that's not gonna get it done. I thought Dahlin played well. TNT, so-so. Bryram had is worst game in the past 2 weeks. Zucker wasn't awful, but he was out of position more than usual. Cozens pretty bad. I think some of Zucker looking out of position may have been on the fact he was covering for Cozens, who positionally, was as bad as any game I have seen from him in a month (back to his old ways). I'm sorry for those who like him, but Cozens just doesn't make mistakes, he makes mistakes that cause his line-mates to be out of position and look bad. If he has ANY value at all, he needs to go. Is it any surprise that TNT and Zucker were such big 'minus' players this game, more than they have been the rest of the year...when playing with Cozens? Cozens poisons whatever players you put on a line with him. Its game after game with him (at least 75% of games played) where he goes in too deep with no chance of getting the puck, he goes into a coner to 'help' a d-man leaving his spot wide open. He goes in deep in the offensive zone into a corner when his winger is already there, leading to odd man rushes against. He's bad, really really bad. Just because of the negative plays, it is no longer an exaggeration, I really REALLY think this team is better with McLeod and Krebs at 2c and 3c and removing Cozens totally. Cozens has more upside scoring, but the negatives are just WAY too much. Edited Sunday at 12:10 AM by mjd1001 2 Quote
DarthEbriate Posted Sunday at 12:07 AM Report Posted Sunday at 12:07 AM 2 minutes ago, jad1 said: I'd say top 3, but they'll probably 'lose' the lottery. Finish 3, get passed by 2. Quote
Sidc3000 Posted Sunday at 12:07 AM Report Posted Sunday at 12:07 AM 2 minutes ago, ExWNYer said: At least your kids still have a chance at a happy life. My 22 year old son...born and raised in Virginia...is a diehard Sabres fan. I have failed him as a parent. I feel the same way for my 22 year old son and we live in Virginia. What part of Virginia? 1 Quote
Big Guava Posted Sunday at 12:10 AM Report Posted Sunday at 12:10 AM 36 minutes ago, Sidc3000 said: I’m sure the “career year” season skewed that stat. Anyway they were never leading this game after 2 periods. No it didn't, they were equally as good in the second year as well. Quote
Flashsabre Posted Sunday at 12:10 AM Report Posted Sunday at 12:10 AM One of you guys must have a couple billion dollars lying around and can buy this fiasco. 😝 Quote
SabresBillsFan Posted Sunday at 12:12 AM Report Posted Sunday at 12:12 AM 6 minutes ago, jad1 said: I'd say top 3, but they'll probably 'lose' the lottery. ^ This, it will be either Nashville or Utah Quote
LGR4GM Posted Sunday at 12:13 AM Report Posted Sunday at 12:13 AM Just now, Flashsabre said: One of you guys must have a couple billion dollars lying around and can buy this fiasco. 😝 It's 2025, as a billionaire you cry and whine until the government gives you 70% to "save it" then you get it, strip it, profit, destroy it, sell the carcus, write it all off and go on to your next scam. Quote
rickshaw Posted Sunday at 12:13 AM Report Posted Sunday at 12:13 AM Cozens has turned into a bad Trevor Linden. And he hits just as softly as Linden did (aside from the broken glass hit) Just loving guys into the boards. Quote
SabresBillsFan Posted Sunday at 12:14 AM Report Posted Sunday at 12:14 AM 6 minutes ago, mjd1001 said: I thought Dahlin played well. TNT, so-so. Bryram had is worst game in the past 2 weeks. Zucker wasn't awful, but he was out of position more than usual. Cozens pretty bad. I think some of Zucker looking out of position may have been on the fact he was covering for Cozens, who positionally, was as bad as any game I have seen from him in a month (back to his old ways). I'm sorry for those who like him, but Cozens just doesn't make mistakes, he makes mistakes that cause his line-mates to be out of position and look bad. If he has ANY value at all, he needs to go. Is it any surprise that TNT and Zucker were such big 'minus' players this game, more than they have been the rest of the year...when playing with Cozens? Cozens poisons whatever players you put on a line with him. Its game after game with him (at least 75% of games played) where he goes in too deep with no chance of getting the puck, he goes into a coner to 'help' a d-man leaving his spot wide open. He goes in deep in the offensive zone into a corner when his winger is already there, leading to odd man rushes against. He's bad, really really bad. Just because of the negative plays, it is no longer an exaggeration, I really REALLY think this team is better with McLeod and Krebs at 2c and 3c and removing Cozens totally. Cozens has more upside scoring, but the negatives are just WAY too much. And once Cozens is moved he will thrive just like all players that leave this dreaded organization! 1 1 1 Quote
LGR4GM Posted Sunday at 12:16 AM Report Posted Sunday at 12:16 AM Just now, SabresBillsFan said: And once Cozens is moved he will thrive just like all players that leave this dreaded organization! Even if true, the real question is will he thrive here? Answer is no. Every line he leaves gets better. 1 Quote
EM88 Posted Sunday at 12:16 AM Report Posted Sunday at 12:16 AM 13 minutes ago, DarthEbriate said: Check that. At the game's conclusion, TNT, Cozens, Zucker, Byram, and Dahlin a combined -16. That's... uh... that's not gonna get it done. For many of those guys it is a scientific phenomena known as The Cozens Effect. Whatever players you put on the ice with him eventually become a zombie player, offensive play a shell of what they are without him, and defensively becoming a magnet for minuses on the scoresheet. Quinn, on the other hand, has scored 3 goals in 2 games and not made any bad defensive plays in either game. Why? Cozens has not been on the ice with him for any of his goals. Quote
mjd1001 Posted Sunday at 12:19 AM Report Posted Sunday at 12:19 AM 2 minutes ago, SabresBillsFan said: And once Cozens is moved he will thrive just like all players that leave this dreaded organization! Only if his new team can change his entire mental approach to hockey. I don't see that happening...and even if it did....good for them. He needs to be OFF of this team. I know I am repeating myself, but he HURTS the team, he sinks his linemates. He is black hole of bad play out there that gets anyone on the ice with him stuck inside of it. Quote
Jorcus Posted Sunday at 12:19 AM Report Posted Sunday at 12:19 AM 27 minutes ago, mjd1001 said: I don't care to watch the game live at this point, so I just looked at the replays of the goals allowed. My observations/opinions: 1st goal: Cozens (mostly) on this one, and a good example of why he should not be playing center. He chases the puck, and causes the rest of the guys to rotate out of positon to cover for him. Sabres just did a line change so I'm not sure who was supposed to be where. But basicaly, the entire center of the ice was left wide open, along with the near side of the ice, where the goal was scored from. First of All Cozens. Gilbert is in the corner with the Seattle guy, yet Cozens goes full speed into the corner to battle for the puck when Gilbert was already there. Center of the ice? wide open. I assume Zucker was supposed to be on the near side. He takes the slot to cover for Cozens, now no-one is there covering for him, and the goal is scored from there. Cozens can't go full speed deep into the corner and stay there if he is playing center, if the puck is on the boards, he has to allow the far side winger to help out the D-man. 2nd goal: Bryam here. Three guys were in the near corner for the Sabres, the puck headed toward the blue line (not guaranteed to go out) and all three guys started to head up to the blue line to exit the zone. There was no guarantee the puck was going out of the zone, and the Seattle player (goal scorer) was left behind by all of them. Byram was more concerned with breaking out of the zone instead of actually staying back on his side of the ice and left a player totally uncovered. 3rd goal: Keyston cops goal. Not really bad positioning by anyone, just the puck goes over the stick of a few guys and then goes in of off of Bryson. 4th goal: UPL to me here, and a bit of all the forwards, Cozens again and Zucker and Tage. Now I know the forwards may be pressing being down a goal, but when the puck exits the zone, ALL THREE forwards are behind Seattle goal line and ALL THREE in the same corner. I think it was Tage's corner so I can understand him going deep, but either Cozens or Zucker has to back off so they all aren't in the same spot. As for UPL... First of all, doesn't look like its screened, UPL is set and its from an off angle. THIS is an example of I want my goalie to make that save. The Cozens part, and why he should not be a Center. 3 on 2, both Zucker and Cozens are the 3rd defender trailing, If you have the replay, watch it. Zucker hustles back, but can't make it. From almost center ice all the way back, Cozens just glides. Had Cozens been hustling back, maybe Zucker could have gone to the wing and possible disturb the shooter. 5th goal. A bit on all the guys on the ice defending. PP goal, the Sabres weren't set, as simple as that. The goal scorer was alone in front of the net, Probably Gilbert's guy, basic mistake instead of slowing a bit and going in FRONT of the net on his way back to cover the guy, he skating in too deep and had to carry speed behind the net. Once he had to circle behind the net, that extra 1-2 seconds allowed his guy to be wide open. Maybe a BIT on the forwards. Besides Gilbert, all three other guys were on the near side. When you have 3 of your 4 PP guys on the same side of the ice, that leaves a LOT of open space on the other 2/3 of the ice. I know the instinct is to go get the puck, but the best way to defend the PP is to have one, MAYBE 2 guys go toward the puck, and the other 2 or 3 guys need to maintain their position. Cozens had a terrible game, The whole first line did but the first goal was all on Gilbert. They went 2 on 1 to get control of the puck and when Gilbert got it he had an easy behind the net outlet to Byram but he backhanded it up the ice to no one really. Quinn was up that way but behind the opponent. Just not a good play on his part. The second line were the only decent players on the ice. I like the speed of that line with McCloud and Peterka but McClouds passing skills are not the best. It does not matter though Lindy will change the lines again by next game. 1 Quote
JohninMinn. Posted Sunday at 12:20 AM Report Posted Sunday at 12:20 AM "THE WORKHORSE FROM WHITEHORSE" 1 1 Quote
rickshaw Posted Sunday at 12:22 AM Report Posted Sunday at 12:22 AM Unfortunately Sabres can’t worry about what a player does when he leaves but this team is clearly no constructed right and if he gets moved and a good return comes our way, maybe that’s the first step to getting it turned around. Quote
GASabresIUFAN Posted Sunday at 12:22 AM Report Posted Sunday at 12:22 AM (edited) I watched the 1st period and then went out for dinner. So glad I missed the rest of the game. Another blown two goal lead. Go Amerks! Go Bills! Edited Sunday at 12:24 AM by GASabresIUFAN Quote
mjd1001 Posted Sunday at 12:23 AM Report Posted Sunday at 12:23 AM 1 minute ago, JohninMinn. said: "THE WORKHORSE FROM WHITEHORSE" He may work hard. I only see him 'glide' every once in a while...he puts the effort in. Hes' just BAD with decision making. Not "makes a mistake" every once a while. Nope, just bad. Whatever players you put on a line with him almost instantly become worse...when they leave his line they get better. Quote
Crusader1969 Posted Sunday at 12:23 AM Report Posted Sunday at 12:23 AM 39 minutes ago, mjd1001 said: I don't care to watch the game live at this point, so I just looked at the replays of the goals allowed. My observations/opinions: 1st goal: Cozens (mostly) on this one, and a good example of why he should not be playing center. He chases the puck, and causes the rest of the guys to rotate out of positon to cover for him. Sabres just did a line change so I'm not sure who was supposed to be where. But basicaly, the entire center of the ice was left wide open, along with the near side of the ice, where the goal was scored from. First of All Cozens. Gilbert is in the corner with the Seattle guy, yet Cozens goes full speed into the corner to battle for the puck when Gilbert was already there. Center of the ice? wide open. I assume Zucker was supposed to be on the near side. He takes the slot to cover for Cozens, now no-one is there covering for him, and the goal is scored from there. Cozens can't go full speed deep into the corner and stay there if he is playing center, if the puck is on the boards, he has to allow the far side winger to help out the D-man. 2nd goal: Bryam here. Three guys were in the near corner for the Sabres, the puck headed toward the blue line (not guaranteed to go out) and all three guys started to head up to the blue line to exit the zone. There was no guarantee the puck was going out of the zone, and the Seattle player (goal scorer) was left behind by all of them. Byram was more concerned with breaking out of the zone instead of actually staying back on his side of the ice and left a player totally uncovered. 3rd goal: Keyston cops goal. Not really bad positioning by anyone, just the puck goes over the stick of a few guys and then goes in of off of Bryson. 4th goal: UPL to me here, and a bit of all the forwards, Cozens again and Zucker and Tage. Now I know the forwards may be pressing being down a goal, but when the puck exits the zone, ALL THREE forwards are behind Seattle goal line and ALL THREE in the same corner. I think it was Tage's corner so I can understand him going deep, but either Cozens or Zucker has to back off so they all aren't in the same spot. As for UPL... First of all, doesn't look like its screened, UPL is set and its from an off angle. THIS is an example of I want my goalie to make that save. The Cozens part, and why he should not be a Center. 3 on 2, both Zucker and Cozens are the 3rd defender trailing, If you have the replay, watch it. Zucker hustles back, but can't make it. From almost center ice all the way back, Cozens just glides. Had Cozens been hustling back, maybe Zucker could have gone to the wing and possible disturb the shooter. 5th goal. A bit on all the guys on the ice defending. PP goal, the Sabres weren't set, as simple as that. The goal scorer was alone in front of the net, Probably Gilbert's guy, basic mistake instead of slowing a bit and going in FRONT of the net on his way back to cover the guy, he skating in too deep and had to carry speed behind the net. Once he had to circle behind the net, that extra 1-2 seconds allowed his guy to be wide open. Maybe a BIT on the forwards. Besides Gilbert, all three other guys were on the near side. When you have 3 of your 4 PP guys on the same side of the ice, that leaves a LOT of open space on the other 2/3 of the ice. I know the instinct is to go get the puck, but the best way to defend the PP is to have one, MAYBE 2 guys go toward the puck, and the other 2 or 3 guys need to maintain their position. good analysis except I think you are being kind to Gilbert on that first goal. Fed it into the slot, perfect pass to the Kraken forward on the 3rd goal it didn't bounce off Bryson, he put it into his own net. The wheels completely fell off at this point I get a lot of us want to see the Sabres add to their forwards but I REALLY think a RHD to play with Power is critical (then again it's been an urgent for the last 3 years and nothing has been done by Adams) you can probably get away with dressing one of Bryson, Jokiharju and Gilbert but not all 3 in the same game Quote
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