LGR4GM Posted Saturday at 02:42 AM Author Report Posted Saturday at 02:42 AM Kevyn Adams is incompetent According to Greg Wyshynski of ESPN it's sounding like: Carolina: Mikko Rantanen, Taylor Hall Colorado: Martin Necas, Jack Drury, 2025 2nd and 2026 4th Chicago: 2025 3rd (their own) and 50% retained on Rantanen Quote
GASabresIUFAN Posted Saturday at 03:19 AM Report Posted Saturday at 03:19 AM 37 minutes ago, LGR4GM said: Kevyn Adams is incompetent According to Greg Wyshynski of ESPN it's sounding like: Carolina: Mikko Rantanen, Taylor Hall Colorado: Martin Necas, Jack Drury, 2025 2nd and 2026 4th Chicago: 2025 3rd (their own) and 50% retained on Rantanen Crazy. There are teams that want to win and then there is the Sabres. 1 Quote
Brawndo Posted Saturday at 03:21 AM Report Posted Saturday at 03:21 AM How to tell you suck at GMing. A gigantic trade goes down not involving your team and you still trend on Twitter 1 2 Quote
PerreaultForever Posted Saturday at 03:32 AM Report Posted Saturday at 03:32 AM 49 minutes ago, LGR4GM said: Kevyn Adams is incompetent According to Greg Wyshynski of ESPN it's sounding like: Carolina: Mikko Rantanen, Taylor Hall Colorado: Martin Necas, Jack Drury, 2025 2nd and 2026 4th Chicago: 2025 3rd (their own) and 50% retained on Rantanen Heck of a wild trade if this happens. Would have thought Chicago would get more there but wait for the final version. Quote
thewookie1 Posted Saturday at 04:24 AM Report Posted Saturday at 04:24 AM (edited) 1 hour ago, LGR4GM said: Kevyn Adams is incompetent According to Greg Wyshynski of ESPN it's sounding like: Carolina: Mikko Rantanen, Taylor Hall Colorado: Martin Necas, Jack Drury, 2025 2nd and 2026 4th Chicago: 2025 3rd (their own) and 50% retained on Rantanen More or less accurate, there's a UDC Nils Juntorp also involved. The part I can't wrap my head around is what exactly Chicago got out of this whole mess. Apparently they retained 50% of Rantanen and traded Hall to Carolina for their own 3rd back. Not exactly a coup Edited Saturday at 04:26 AM by thewookie1 Quote
mjd1001 Posted Saturday at 05:47 AM Report Posted Saturday at 05:47 AM So maybe it was know around the league that Rantanen was avaiable and no one wanted to make any other moves until they knew if they were in, or not in, on him. Now that he is moved, maybe other teams looking to add may look to the Sabres for 'lesser' players than Rantanen and we'll get some movement? Quote
PerreaultForever Posted Saturday at 08:09 AM Report Posted Saturday at 08:09 AM This might backfire on the Canes. Seems quite a bit like their move for Guentzel last year. Rantanen is going to want a LOT of money to sign long term. Pity about Necas to Colorado. I was hoping he'd end up in Boston somehow with Pasternak and Zacha for an all Czech line one day. Quote
SabreFinn Posted Saturday at 10:57 AM Report Posted Saturday at 10:57 AM Wow, did not see that one coming. What a trade! And I don't think those two teams are done yet. I am a bit curious how Rantanen fits in the Canes. Also, reading a rumour that Rantanen didn't know this was coming and that he is shocked. Quote
North Buffalo Posted Saturday at 12:41 PM Report Posted Saturday at 12:41 PM (edited) Bissonette reporting rumor Crosby to Avs? Edited Saturday at 12:42 PM by North Buffalo Quote
mjd1001 Posted Saturday at 01:42 PM Report Posted Saturday at 01:42 PM 59 minutes ago, North Buffalo said: Bissonette reporting rumor Crosby to Avs? I'd be very surprised by that. There has been talk about Crosby wanting to retire a penguin, some media guys saying he wants to be there till the end, etc. You don't always believe that....but I have seen a couple interviews with him on the topic and he comes across like he really, REALLY does not want to leave Pittsburgh, even to a better team. 1 Quote
LGR4GM Posted Saturday at 01:44 PM Author Report Posted Saturday at 01:44 PM I bet Buffalo wants JT Miller. 1 1 Quote
GoPuckYourself Posted Saturday at 01:49 PM Report Posted Saturday at 01:49 PM 4 minutes ago, LGR4GM said: I bet Buffalo wants JT Miller. He rejected the NY Rangers so I highly doubt he'd come here. Quote
GoPuckYourself Posted Saturday at 01:57 PM Report Posted Saturday at 01:57 PM (edited) Nobody of worth that has a NMC in their contract is coming here to a half empty arena with 1 of the worst GM/owners in the league. So we need to be looking at guys with no trade clauses to see what might be available. Here are players with no NMC: Elias Lindholm Hampus Lindholm Charlie McAvoy David Pastrnak Nikita Zadorov Mikael Backlund Jonathan Huberdeau Nazem Kadri Sebastian Aho William Carrier Jalen Chatfield Jordan Staal Seth Jones Gabriel Landeskog Nathan MacKinnon Valeri Nichushkin Devon Toews Sean Monahan Zach Werenski Jamie Benn Roope Hintz Esa Lindell Tyler Seguin Leon Draisaitl Zach Hyman Evander Kane Connor McDavid Ryan Nugent-Hopkins Darnell Nurse Jeff Skinner Aleksander Barkov Gustav Forsling Matthew Tkachuk Carter Verhaeghe Kevin Fiala Vladislav Gavrikov Anze Kopitar Jonas Brodin Marc-Andre Fleury Marcus Foligno Ryan Hartman Kirill Kaprizov Filip Forsberg Roman Josi Steven Stamkos Jesper Bratt Dougie Hamilton Jacob Markstrom Timo Meier Ondrej Palat Ilya Sorokin Artemi Panarin Vincent Trocheck Mika Zibanejad Claude Giroux Travis Hamonic Linus Ullmark Sean Couturier Sidney Crosby Erik Karlsson Kris Letang Evgeni Malkin Bryan Rust Chandler Stephenson Jake Guentzel Victor Hedman Brayden Point Andrei Vasilevskiy Auston Matthews Mitch Marner William Nylander Morgan Rielly Chris Tanev John Tavares Jake DeBrusk J.T. Miller Tyler Myers Jack Eichel Tomas Hertl Alex Pietrangelo Mark Stone Pierre-Luc Dubois Connor Hellebuyck Josh Morrissey Mark Scheifele Edited Saturday at 02:07 PM by GoPuckYourself Quote
Flashsabre Posted Saturday at 03:17 PM Report Posted Saturday at 03:17 PM 12 hours ago, LGR4GM said: Kevyn Adams is incompetent According to Greg Wyshynski of ESPN it's sounding like: Carolina: Mikko Rantanen, Taylor Hall Colorado: Martin Necas, Jack Drury, 2025 2nd and 2026 4th Chicago: 2025 3rd (their own) and 50% retained on Rantanen IDK if this trade makes Carolina better. If the Hurricanes pony up the money to extend Rantanen then it changes but Necas and Drury were big parts of that team to move for a rental. And Hall doesn’t impress anymore. 1 Quote
Pimlach Posted Saturday at 03:57 PM Report Posted Saturday at 03:57 PM (edited) On 1/20/2025 at 8:35 AM, LTS said: From what I have read, the trade was with the Red Wings who pulled the plug when they decided to make the coaching change. This is likely what killed that trade entirely. I'm not sure you can blame Adams on this one. While I don't like Adams and the job he's done I do want to be real about it. He had a trade on the table and the other team pulled it. As to what the full trade would have been or if it would help the Sabres, that's impossible to say. But to the best of our knowledge, it was not Adams who failed to complete the deal. Why there have been no others? Well, hard to say. Rumors say he was trying to get Necas, but the player said no. That would have been an excellent move. Prior to that he was after Pesce, another player that would have helped a lot. I am not excusing his performance. Bottom line is that he fails to deliver. Unfortunately, he has made the culture worse in his five years, not better. If I owned the team I would bring in a guy that is respected around the league. Pay him what it takes to fix this mess. That is first step to showing other players, player agents, and other GMs that this team is serious. Edited Saturday at 03:58 PM by Pimlach Quote
DarthEbriate Posted Saturday at 04:06 PM Report Posted Saturday at 04:06 PM 40 minutes ago, Flashsabre said: IDK if this trade makes Carolina better. If the Hurricanes pony up the money to extend Rantanen then it changes but Necas and Drury were big parts of that team to move for a rental. And Hall doesn’t impress anymore. Carolina gets the best player in the trade, but for how long? I really like it from a Colorado perspective, though. Necas is having a very good season and will look even better on MacKinnon's wing than he did in Carolina. Drury gives them a FO-winning center for depth. And there's recent news that Landeskog is making strides... which means he'll probably start skating with the team soon and be ready to play just around... mid-April. 1 Quote
Pimlach Posted Saturday at 04:12 PM Report Posted Saturday at 04:12 PM 3 minutes ago, DarthEbriate said: Carolina gets the best player in the trade, but for how long? I really like it from a Colorado perspective, though. Necas is having a very good season and will look even better on MacKinnon's wing than he did in Carolina. Drury gives them a FO-winning center for depth. And there's recent news that Landeskog is making strides... which means he'll probably start skating with the team soon and be ready to play just around... mid-April. Avs acting like they want another Cup now. They are not waiting for 20 years old in their pipeline, they are acquiring players that are blockers. Wait! I don't understand? 1 1 Quote
will Posted Saturday at 04:14 PM Report Posted Saturday at 04:14 PM 5 hours ago, SabreFinn said: Also, reading a rumour that Rantanen didn't know this was coming and that he is shocked. yes, he wants top dollar, and now that he's away from a player of mackinnon's caliber, his numbers might come back down to earth. that huge payday is going to be slightly less than he was asking for. Quote
Porous Five Hole Posted Saturday at 04:17 PM Report Posted Saturday at 04:17 PM 2 hours ago, GoPuckYourself said: He rejected the NY Rangers so I highly doubt he'd come here. That may be because of how he felt about the franchise when they moved him out the last time he was there. Obviously the same ownership group. I don’t know anything about JT Miller’s personal life except that he’s from Ohio and used to call PA home. Maybe WNY id a better fit that NYC? Quote
Weave Posted Saturday at 05:59 PM Report Posted Saturday at 05:59 PM 1 hour ago, Porous Five Hole said: That may be because of how he felt about the franchise when they moved him out the last time he was there. Obviously the same ownership group. I don’t know anything about JT Miller’s personal life except that he’s from Ohio and used to call PA home. Maybe WNY id a better fit that NYC? If the rumors about Millers personality are true, it wouldn’t be long at all before he became a real problem in the room. No way his personality would shine on a team so ill equipped to win. Quote
Porous Five Hole Posted Saturday at 06:21 PM Report Posted Saturday at 06:21 PM 6 minutes ago, Weave said: If the rumors about Millers personality are true, it wouldn’t be long at all before he became a real problem in the room. No way his personality would shine on a team so ill equipped to win. You’re probably right, but they just might need a loud alpha like JT. This is slightly off-topic, but I’m a Red Sox fan. When they reversed the curse, one of the cogs was Kevin Millar. He could hit a little, but he wasn’t a star whose production they relied upon. But he was constantly keeping things light and positive. The whole Cowboy Up, “don’t let us win one” against the Yankees, whiskey shots before the WS games, organizing team dinners on the road where everyone came, and having the time of his life. And this is in the face of an 86 year drought and a ruthless & frustrated media and fanbase. The Sox don’t do what they did without him. Give me Mr. Accountability in JT and find me a Kevin Millar (Zucker returning might fit the bill—he’s fun), and that’s a good start. There is more to do (including finding someone to parter with Power), but I think JT helps the room. We have no one like him around here. Quote
GoPuckYourself Posted Saturday at 06:22 PM Report Posted Saturday at 06:22 PM 1 hour ago, Porous Five Hole said: That may be because of how he felt about the franchise when they moved him out the last time he was there. Obviously the same ownership group. I don’t know anything about JT Miller’s personal life except that he’s from Ohio and used to call PA home. Maybe WNY id a better fit that NYC? He is a defensive liability which is why the Canucks don't mind parting with him and we already have plenty of those on the roster currently. I don't see where he adds anything different other than toughness to this squad imo. Quote
Porous Five Hole Posted Saturday at 06:40 PM Report Posted Saturday at 06:40 PM 15 minutes ago, GoPuckYourself said: He is a defensive liability which is why the Canucks don't mind parting with him and we already have plenty of those on the roster currently. I don't see where he adds anything different other than toughness to this squad imo. He had 103 points last year lol We got a lot of those guys? 😀 You and I see the player differently and that’s ok. He’s got a full no-move clause, so it’s probably useless even talking about him. Quote
SabreFinn Posted Saturday at 07:40 PM Report Posted Saturday at 07:40 PM 3 hours ago, will said: yes, he wants top dollar, and now that he's away from a player of mackinnon's caliber, his numbers might come back down to earth. that huge payday is going to be slightly less than he was asking for. Believe it or not, but his point produktion without MacKinnon is even slightly better than with him. Even if the sample size is not that big. Quote
GoPuckYourself Posted Saturday at 08:56 PM Report Posted Saturday at 08:56 PM 2 hours ago, Porous Five Hole said: He had 103 points last year lol We got a lot of those guys? 😀 You and I see the player differently and that’s ok. He’s got a full no-move clause, so it’s probably useless even talking about him. Not entirely differently, I do want a solid veteran like him just not a 31 year old who's best days are behind him and is a liability defensively. Get a solid 2 way forward who has some life left, there has to be 1 out there with a NTC. Quote
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