Are we going to play this "in the hunt" game again?

[Thorner]

29 minutes ago, GASabresIUFAN said:

and he'll be 5'10 165 pounds but have unlimited upside and a great hockey iQ.

And better 5 V 5 per 60 primary points per puckhandle as Prime McDavid 

[LGR4GM]

3 minutes ago, Thorner said:

And better 5 V 5 per 60 primary points per puckhandle as Prime McDavid 

[LGR4GM]

Actually we don't need to wait for it. Numbers show now that Benson is top 3-4 on this team for forwards and 2nd on the team in getting pucks to dangerous areas. 

Can't imagine poking fun at 19yr old Zach Benson when we should be thanking all the stars above he dropped to us in the draft. 

[Thorner]

3 minutes ago, LGR4GM said:

Actually we don't need to wait for it. Numbers show now that Benson is top 3-4 on this team for forwards and 2nd on the team in getting pucks to dangerous areas. 

Can't imagine poking fun at 19yr old Zach Benson when we should be thanking all the stars above he dropped to us in the draft. 

My post was nothing to do with benson lol 

[LGR4GM]

Zach Benson at 5v5 compared to every forward on the Sabres...

1st in CF%

2nd in xGF%

6th in HD CF% (gotta work on that Zach)

5th in goals for per 60min

I mean at 5v5 for a 19yr old, he's basically the best forward on the team not named Tage Thompson. 

 

 

 

[Thorner]

The issue isn’t the players we are selecting. The issue is we keep repeating the process. We don’t need draft picks 

This should be…abundantly clear to anyone still kicking around  

Edited Monday at 05:55 PM by Thorner

[LGR4GM]

Just now, Thorner said:

My post was nothing to do with benson lol 

yea, I would guess it was about Östlund/Savoie/Rosen, maybe Helenius who this board still thinks of as small

[LGR4GM]

Just now, Thorner said:

The issue isn’t the players we are selecting. The issue is we keep repeating the process. We don’t need draft picks 

You always need draft picks, the issue is we haven't added anything other than draft picks. 

[Thorner]

Just now, LGR4GM said:

yea, I would guess it was about Östlund/Savoie/Rosen, maybe Helenius who this board still thinks of as small

Honestly it wasn’t about any one of them. We know how this all works, now - yeah there are some duds along the way but we are picking high and picking pretty good players, such is the nature of selecting up top. It’s not the players. It’s the group assembling the whole 

Applies to on roster players we’ve dealt as well 

[Thorner]

8 minutes ago, LGR4GM said:

You always need draft picks, the issue is we haven't added anything other than draft picks. 

Ordinarily I’d agree with you but the usual rules don’t apply to the sabres, we are a proven historical anomaly and should be treated as such in the name of accuracy, owing to the fact we’ve dug ourselves into a chasm worthy of that anomaly. It will require unusual tact to fix - that’s only logical.

The Buffalo Sabres as currently constructed won’t benefit from an infusion of youth in any form whatsoever as the only way this franchise can get out of this rut is to prioritize the present above all else. We cannot be in a position where an 18 year old makes us better. Let’s just assume we aren’t selecting first overall (but probably even then)

we can get back to worrying about draft picks once we make the playoffs once.

the pick is traded and gone for me if someone offers accurate relative veteran value 

Edited Monday at 06:03 PM by Thorner

[LGR4GM]

2 minutes ago, Thorner said:

Ordinarily I’d agree with you but the usual rules don’t apply to the sabres, we are a proven historical anomaly and should be treated as such in the name of accuracy. The Buffalo Sabres as currently constructed won’t benefit from an infusion of youth in any form whatsoever as the only way this franchise can get out of this rut is to prioritize the present above all else. We cannot be in a position where an 18 year old makes us better. Let’s just assume we aren’t selecting first overall (but probably even then)

we can get back to worrying about draft picks once we make the playoffs once.

This is the same argument that was used when Murray went all dumbass in 2015... and 2016... and 2017. If anyone from those 3 drafts outside of Mittelstadt had been truly good, the Sabres might still have Eichel and Reinhart and be a playoff team. God the 2014 draft was a ***** draft for Buffalo. The lag on drafts is 5-7 years sadly. 

You are right though, we shouldn't expect anyone to be drafted in june and to come save us. We need to trade assets we have for real NHL players. 

[Thorner]

13 minutes ago, LGR4GM said:

This is the same argument that was used when Murray went all dumbass in 2015... and 2016... and 2017. If anyone from those 3 drafts outside of Mittelstadt had been truly good, the Sabres might still have Eichel and Reinhart and be a playoff team. God the 2014 draft was a ***** draft for Buffalo. The lag on drafts is 5-7 years sadly. 

You are right though, we shouldn't expect anyone to be drafted in june and to come save us. We need to trade assets we have for real NHL players. 

It’s not the same argument because for it to be the same argument one would have to utterly disregard the variable of “time” which is the most central component of what I’m trying to say. The sabres pushed the boundaries of not winning too far: it broke the franchise. There’s no expectation. Electing for a long form rebuild after missing 9 straight years already was a colossal mistake. The Sabres are not in a position anymore where they can be fixed by merely operating the team properly.
 

*They need the defibrillator.* the regular current won’t do it. They need extraordinary tact for an extraordinary problem. They didn’t *have* an extraordinary problem 10 years ago 

the team itself needs to understand the expectation and environment has changed. We can’t do this by waltzing up to the podium and entering into next season as the youngest team in hockey after another solid draft. I couldn’t be clear enough about this: the results will be less than the sum of their expected parts: we are seeing it this year, we’ve seen it time and time again 

Edited Monday at 06:20 PM by Thorner

[JP51]

21 hours ago, GASabresIUFAN said:

and he'll be 5'10 165 pounds but have unlimited upside and a great hockey iQ.

and skate like Dorothy Hamill... but he will have great hair... assuming its a he. LOL 

20 hours ago, LGR4GM said:

Zach Benson at 5v5 compared to every forward on the Sabres...

1st in CF%

2nd in xGF%

6th in HD CF% (gotta work on that Zach)

5th in goals for per 60min

I mean at 5v5 for a 19yr old, he's basically the best forward on the team not named Tage Thompson. 

 

 

 

and maybe the best 2 way.