GDT: Buffalo Sabres @ Las Vegas Golden Knights 01/04/25 10PM ET-- MSG, ESPN+ for out of market

[Sidc3000]

26 minutes ago, nucci said:

he sold 20% of the team to cover overruns of the stadium, the state is giving him money and PSL's are covering costs also. He's not spending much at all

The stadium is $560 million OVER the initial estimate. That is all out of Terry’s bank account. 
 

https://apnews.com/article/bills-stadium-cost-pegula-8c56fad9d970f2b17429d3ae779f70ba

Edited Sunday at 11:18 AM by Sidc3000

[nucci]

5 minutes ago, Sidc3000 said:

The stadium is $560 million OVER the initial estimate. That is all out of Terry’s bank account. 
 

https://apnews.com/article/bills-stadium-cost-pegula-8c56fad9d970f2b17429d3ae779f70ba

That's true but he sold 20% of the team for about $1B, which will cover that cost

[Sidc3000]

2 hours ago, nucci said:

That's true but he sold 20% of the team for about $1B, which will cover that cost

Yes now.  Maybe just maybe note Terry will put some money into the Sabres. 🤞

 

Listening to the post game and reimer was speechless for a long moment.

 

Lindy is so frustrated with this team. You hear it in his post game comments.  I’m sure he is at loss for answers on how they can be so inconsistent. 

 

1 hour ago, Slack_in_MA said:

Saw this fan comment this morning, which I thought was spot on:

 

“The kids don't want it. They don't skate. They don't score. They don't hit. They don't fight. They float... they don't love to win... they don't hate to lose.”

 

when your young core has learned only to lose, what do you expect? They know they’re out of it after the 13 game losing streak. Why bust your ass when you know you know nothing is going to be done to you. I’m wondering if Lindy has orders not to punish these guys because the only player that was in the dog house for a bit was Quinn. 
 

This is what Terry should do but won’t. Have a presser announcing an aggressive plan to make this team competitive next season.

- first by putting players on notice, publicly. They are not safe and he expects consequences for horrible play.  This organization will not be a safe space anymore.  

- infusion of cash into the organization to rebuild the front office and operations

- with some of that money,  announce the search for a  President of Hockey Operations from outside the organization

I know none of this will happen but a boy can dream, can’t he? 😂
 

 

[Slack_in_MA]

Saw this fan comment this morning, which I thought was spot on:

 

“The kids don't want it. They don't skate. They don't score. They don't hit. They don't fight. They float... they don't love to win... they don't hate to lose.”

[Spoonman]

6 hours ago, mjd1001 said:

I'm of the opinion still that they don't need to reset everything. A few strategic changes in the roster, maybe the front office, a change or two to the coaching staff.

The issue is, they REFUSE to do even that. This team needs SOMETHING, and the owner makes a special trip to tell the team "no changes".

You can't fix things, you can't change things, if you do NOTHING.

Edited Sunday at 12:20 PM by Spoonman

[LabattBlue]

58 minutes ago, Sidc3000 said:

- first by putting players on notice, publicly. They are not safe and he expects consequences for horrible play.  This organization will not be a safe space anymore. 

 

What consequences?  Getting traded and no longer having to be part of the Pegula train wreck?

[Believer]

No team character. No 60 minute compete.

No commitment to win.

Not by the Owner. Not by the GM. Not by Ruff and the Coaches. Not by the Captain and A’s. Not by the Players.

They are all failures. They all are losers. 

The broadcast team and Buffalo hockey writers play their part in the circus act. 

Grooming the doom.

Comes down to a given reality.

No pride at any level.

Complacency rules.

 

 

[LGR4GM]

1 hour ago, Slack_in_MA said:

Saw this fan comment this morning, which I thought was spot on:

 

“The kids don't want it. They don't skate. They don't score. They don't hit. They don't fight. They float... they don't love to win... they don't hate to lose.”

It's from the show Shoresy if you didn't know. 1:43 if the time stamp didn't work. 

 

 

 

 

Edited Sunday at 01:23 PM by LGR4GM

[LTS]

A shame I missed this one.  Well, that's not entirely true. I was watching USA v CZE, then flipped over. I watched until the first Vagas goal and went to bed. I also had forgotten that listening to a game against Vagas would subject me to Rob Ray's pronunciations of the word Vegas.

So I feel like a triple winner this morning. I got lots of sleep, I did not subject myself to Rob Ray, and I can't comment one bit on the game itself because I really didn't watch it.

It's a great Sunday so far.

[Archie Lee]

2 hours ago, Slack_in_MA said:

Saw this fan comment this morning, which I thought was spot on:

 

“The kids don't want it. They don't skate. They don't score. They don't hit. They don't fight. They float... they don't love to win... they don't hate to lose.”

I would fix it and say:  The owner and GM don’t care, don’t fight for the team, don’t prioritize winning, and don’t hate to lose. The young core has taken on the loser mentality and personalities of their owner and GM. 

[Believer]

40 minutes ago, Believer said:

No commitment to win.

Commitment is a multifaceted concept that involves making a promise or dedicating oneself to a particular action, person, or cause[1][2][3]. It can be understood through several key dimensions:

1. **Promise and Obligation**
A commitment is a pledge to do something or act in a specific way, which can involve personal, professional, or financial responsibilities[1][2]. For example, agreeing to pay bills on time or supporting a team represents a commitment[3].

2. **Dedication and Loyalty**
Commitment also signifies a strong belief and willingness to invest time and energy into something meaningful[4][5]. This could involve personal relationships, professional goals, or social causes[2].

The essence of commitment is the act of binding oneself intellectually or emotionally to a course of action, demonstrating dedication, responsibility, and follow-through[5].

Sources
[1] commitment definition · LSData - LSD.Law https://www.lsd.law/define/commitment
[2] Commitment Definition & Meaning | Britannica Dictionary https://www.britannica.com/dictionary/commitment
[3] COMMITMENT definition in American English - Collins Dictionary https://www.collinsdictionary.com/us/dictionary/english/commitment
[4] COMMITMENT definition | Cambridge Learner's Dictionary https://dictionary.cambridge.org/us/dictionary/learner-english/commitment
[5] Commitment - Definition, Meaning & Synonyms - Vocabulary.com https://www.vocabulary.com/dictionary/commitment
[6] commitment | definition for kids - Wordsmyth Kids https://kids.wordsmyth.net/we/?level=2&rid=8291
[7] COMMITMENT Definition & Meaning - Dictionary.com https://www.dictionary.com/browse/commitment

The evidence is clear.

Despite public declarations about winning this year, there is no commitment to win in the Sabre organization, imo.

None.

What’s next?

 

[Archie Lee]

4 minutes ago, Believer said:

Commitment is a multifaceted concept that involves making a promise or dedicating oneself to a particular action, person, or cause[1][2][3]. It can be understood through several key dimensions:

1. **Promise and Obligation**
A commitment is a pledge to do something or act in a specific way, which can involve personal, professional, or financial responsibilities[1][2]. For example, agreeing to pay bills on time or supporting a team represents a commitment[3].

2. **Dedication and Loyalty**
Commitment also signifies a strong belief and willingness to invest time and energy into something meaningful[4][5]. This could involve personal relationships, professional goals, or social causes[2].

The essence of commitment is the act of binding oneself intellectually or emotionally to a course of action, demonstrating dedication, responsibility, and follow-through[5].

Sources
[1] commitment definition · LSData - LSD.Law https://www.lsd.law/define/commitment
[2] Commitment Definition & Meaning | Britannica Dictionary https://www.britannica.com/dictionary/commitment
[3] COMMITMENT definition in American English - Collins Dictionary https://www.collinsdictionary.com/us/dictionary/english/commitment
[4] COMMITMENT definition | Cambridge Learner's Dictionary https://dictionary.cambridge.org/us/dictionary/learner-english/commitment
[5] Commitment - Definition, Meaning & Synonyms - Vocabulary.com https://www.vocabulary.com/dictionary/commitment
[6] commitment | definition for kids - Wordsmyth Kids https://kids.wordsmyth.net/we/?level=2&rid=8291
[7] COMMITMENT Definition & Meaning - Dictionary.com https://www.dictionary.com/browse/commitment

The evidence is clear.

Despite public declarations about winning this year, there is no commitment to win in the Sabre organization, imo.

None.

What’s next?

 

Prior to the season, I thought the probability of Adams being fired was very low.  See, I had a failure of imagination. Credit our old pal @dudacek who predicted there would be no middle ground and that things would go well or turn into a dumpster fire. I thought at worst we would see something like a repeat of last year. Well, was I wrong. I now think there is a strong possibility there will be a new GM and head coach next season. You simply can’t sell Adams and Ruff returning. Pegula is not a typical owner and the Sabres don’t operate like a normal NHL team, so it is possible that we could bring back the GM/HC hierarchy that misjudged us as a playoff team (😆). But it would be pretty much unprecedented for a GM/HC to survive this level of failure. 

The best we can hope for is that the blind squirrel finds a capable and qualified nut to manage the assets we have. 

[Believer]

5 minutes ago, Archie Lee said:

The best we can hope for is that the blind squirrel finds a capable and qualified nut to manage the assets we have. 

Well said.

[CallawaySabres]

That is 4th time this year that I had no idea there was a game….much better that way honestly.

[Pimlach]

3 hours ago, Sidc3000 said:

Yes now.  Maybe just maybe note Terry will put some money into the Sabres. 🤞

 

Listening to the post game and reimer was speechless for a long moment.

 

Lindy is so frustrated with this team. You hear it in his post game comments.  I’m sure he is at loss for answers on how they can be so inconsistent. 

 

 

when your young core has learned only to lose, what do you expect? They know they’re out of it after the 13 game losing streak. Why bust your ass when you know you know nothing is going to be done to you. I’m wondering if Lindy has orders not to punish these guys because the only player that was in the dog house for a bit was Quinn. 
 

This is what Terry should do but won’t. Have a presser announcing an aggressive plan to make this team competitive next season.

- first by putting players on notice, publicly. They are not safe and he expects consequences for horrible play.  This organization will not be a safe space anymore.  

- infusion of cash into the organization to rebuild the front office and operations

- with some of that money,  announce the search for a  President of Hockey Operations from outside the organization

I know none of this will happen but a boy can dream, can’t he? 😂
 

 

Your plan is to chew them out publicly, add cash to FO, then hire an outsider as POHO?  

How about hire a POHO first , let him restructure the FO, the coaching staff, and the roster.   While he does that Terry stays the fu@k away.  

[Pimlach]

59 minutes ago, Believer said:

Commitment is a multifaceted concept that involves making a promise or dedicating oneself to a particular action, person, or cause[1][2][3]. It can be understood through several key dimensions:

1. **Promise and Obligation**
A commitment is a pledge to do something or act in a specific way, which can involve personal, professional, or financial responsibilities[1][2]. For example, agreeing to pay bills on time or supporting a team represents a commitment[3].

2. **Dedication and Loyalty**
Commitment also signifies a strong belief and willingness to invest time and energy into something meaningful[4][5]. This could involve personal relationships, professional goals, or social causes[2].

The essence of commitment is the act of binding oneself intellectually or emotionally to a course of action, demonstrating dedication, responsibility, and follow-through[5].

Sources
[1] commitment definition · LSData - LSD.Law https://www.lsd.law/define/commitment
[2] Commitment Definition & Meaning | Britannica Dictionary https://www.britannica.com/dictionary/commitment
[3] COMMITMENT definition in American English - Collins Dictionary https://www.collinsdictionary.com/us/dictionary/english/commitment
[4] COMMITMENT definition | Cambridge Learner's Dictionary https://dictionary.cambridge.org/us/dictionary/learner-english/commitment
[5] Commitment - Definition, Meaning & Synonyms - Vocabulary.com https://www.vocabulary.com/dictionary/commitment
[6] commitment | definition for kids - Wordsmyth Kids https://kids.wordsmyth.net/we/?level=2&rid=8291
[7] COMMITMENT Definition & Meaning - Dictionary.com https://www.dictionary.com/browse/commitment

The evidence is clear.

Despite public declarations about winning this year, there is no commitment to win in the Sabre organization, imo.

None.

What’s next?

 

[JohnC]

2 hours ago, Spoonman said:

It's a circular argument that can't be broken unless there is a new cast of characters taking over the hockey operation. What's so futile about this situation is that the owner got the organizational system and staff in place that he wanted. Is he willing to allow an independent and strong voice take over from the acquiescing Howdy Doody GM he personally installed? Another issue is whether any competent GM candidate would be willing to work for this peculiar owner? Our sphynx owner has said little and has been mostly invisible during this historical descent. I have followed sports all of my extended life. I have never seen an owner who isn't at a senile stage act as indifferently as this baffling owner. There is a saying: The shameless can't be shamed!  

[jad1]

1 hour ago, Archie Lee said:

Prior to the season, I thought the probability of Adams being fired was very low.  See, I had a failure of imagination. Credit our old pal @dudacek who predicted there would be no middle ground and that things would go well or turn into a dumpster fire. I thought at worst we would see something like a repeat of last year. Well, was I wrong. I now think there is a strong possibility there will be a new GM and head coach next season. You simply can’t sell Adams and Ruff returning. Pegula is not a typical owner and the Sabres don’t operate like a normal NHL team, so it is possible that we could bring back the GM/HC hierarchy that misjudged us as a playoff team (😆). But it would be pretty much unprecedented for a GM/HC to survive this level of failure. 

The best we can hope for is that the blind squirrel finds a capable and qualified nut to manage the assets we have. 

There is no doubt that Adams should have been fired last season.  Letting him stick around to pick a 3rd coach was an exercise in futility.  The entire league knew he wasn't up to the job and was a dead man walking.  This year is just another colossal waste of time for a franchise that has wasted too much time already.

And the blind squirrel thing, it's our only hope, but it did work for the Bills.  

[Jorcus]

2 minutes ago, JohnC said:

It's a circular argument that can't be broken unless there is a new cast of characters taking over the hockey operation. What's so futile about this situation is that the owner got the organizational system and staff in place that he wanted. Is he willing to allow an independent and strong voice take over from the acquiescing Howdy Doody GM he personally installed? Another issue is whether any competent GM candidate would be willing to work for this peculiar owner? Our sphynx owner has said little and has been mostly invisible during this historical descent. I have followed sports all of my extended life. I have never seen an owner who isn't at a senile stage act as indifferently as this baffling owner. There is a saying: The shameless can't be shamed!  

 

I think there are a lot of competent hockey people who would look at this situation and take this one. The assets alone are enticing, you can't do much worse than the guy you are replacing, and how often do GM jobs come up? As far as Pegula being invisible, It's true but it's not like he is super visible for the team that is going well. I don't care if I ever hear from Pegula, I just need him to make the change we all need to be made.   

[Pimlach]

9 hours ago, mjd1001 said:

Peterka fans on a shot earlier, missed a few feet wide, and now shots it way over and outside from only about 15 feet out.

What has happened to his accuracy?

Peterka is struggling under the pressure.  He has been demoted and benched, and he probably hates this season right now.  The big boss told them all that no help is coming.   Ever feel like your situation is hopeless?  

Hockey is not fun anymore for Samuelsson, Power, Peterka, Quinn and Cozens.   You can see it in their faces.  Besides the obvious Thompson and Dahlin, these guys are the key chosen ones of the Adams rebuild.  Roster slots were provided, no blockers were allowed, absolute minimal veteran help has been provided, big contracts were given way too soon, and Adams is holding back cap money for Quinn and Peterka as we speak.   This is an entitled group that lacks mental toughness.  
 

So now the reality of it all hits.   Their confidence is gone and all the simple things that they expect to do get harder.  Mistakes multiply.  

[Crusader1969]

12 hours ago, Porous Five Hole said:

It was unconventional, but it kind of worked. He slowed the puck carrier down by peeling off his man and stepping up. That goal is 100% on JJP.  

Funny going back and reading all the posts about the first goal against.   Seems everyone was blamed except the guy (Krebs) who turned the puck over that created the breakout.  
I listened to Lindy's press conference and he clearly blamed Krebs for that goal against , calling it a "terrible play"

 

[SwampD]

10 hours ago, Stoner said:

That's the Swamp of old.

Yep. Wrong as usual.

[Stoner]

Just now, SwampD said:

Yep. Wrong as usual.

Nah. The game was sitting there to be won. The urgency arrived only when they knew they couldn't.

[HOUSE]

Well that was fun..

[JohnC]

18 minutes ago, Jorcus said:

 

I think there are a lot of competent hockey people who would look at this situation and take this one. The assets alone are enticing, you can't do much worse than the guy you are replacing, and how often do GM jobs come up? As far as Pegula being invisible, It's true but it's not like he is super visible for the team that is going well. I don't care if I ever hear from Pegula, I just need him to make the change we all need to be made.   

Unless there is a structural change in how the organization is allowed to function, then the best/qualified candidates won't come here. I'm not worried about no one willing to come here so much as I'm more concerned about the caliber of candidates willing to come here under the current restrictions. There are always flunkies and ill-equipped candidates (such as KA) who would take a job with restrictive conditions. To unsort the generational mess created by our inept owner, it will take a highly qualified person to work in a proper situation to succeed.