Reviewing Adams' Off-season acquisitions at the half way mark

[Flashsabre]

 

[GASabresIUFAN]

1 hour ago, LGR4GM said:

McLeod is giving you more goals than Cozens right now. At the same time he's way better defensively. 

I doubt it. Now you're asking for 2 centers, 1 middle 6 and 1 top 6. Idk how you trade for both. 1, sure I could see that. 

I really don't understand your McLeod hate. Guys done everything asked of him. It's a fairly indefensible position to suggest we shouldn't sign RFA McLeod and it's honestly bizarre to double down on it. He's a net positive for this team and for all the faceoff ppl, he wins those. 

He is having a career best scoring season so far. Yeah!  Lets say he finishes with 45 points.  How much are you paying for a career year?  How many years?  5-6 years $4.5 mill a season.  How do a I know this is a career year?  Just look at this shooting %.  It's 21.3 this season.  His other 3 seasons, 11, 14.1, 11.3.  This isn't Sam Reinhart.  Alarm Bells should be ringing.  Talk about a contract that won't look good sooner than later as this player doesn't drive offense as you freely admit and there is no way he'll sustain a 20%+ shooting %.  Are you really going to pay your 3rd line center, whose play got him demoted to the 4th line for weeks $4.5 a season?  How do I know that's what KA will give him if he hits 45 pts?  Because Adams always overpays.  No bargain allowed except ELCs.  

So why am I against McLeod, because I've seen enough lousy play from him to realize that he's wildly inconsistent and I fear another terrible contract being given to a guy off a career year.  

If you don't think this is a justified concern lets take Cozens for example:  Shooting % by season  6.5, 8.1, 14.7, 9, 10.4.  Guess which season Adams gave Cozens his long-term $7 mill a season deal? The off-season after the 14.7 season.  

[LGR4GM]

8 minutes ago, GASabresIUFAN said:

He is having a career best scoring season so far. Yeah!  Lets say he finishes with 45 points.  How much are you paying for a career year?  How many years?  5-6 years $4.5 mill a season.  How do a I know this is a career year?  Just look at this shooting %.  It's 21.3 this season.  His other 3 seasons, 11, 14.1, 11.3.  This isn't Sam Reinhart.  Alarm Bells should be ringing.  Talk about a contract that won't look good sooner than later as this player doesn't drive offense as you freely admit and there is no way he'll sustain a 20%+ shooting %.  Are you really going to pay your 3rd line center, whose play got him demoted to the 4th line for weeks $4.5 a season?  How do I know that's what KA will give him if he hits 45 pts?  Because Adams always overpays.  No bargain allowed except ELCs.  

So why am I against McLeod, because I've seen enough lousy play from him to realize that he's wildly inconsistent and I fear another terrible contract being given to a guy off a career year.  

If you don't think this is a justified concern lets take Cozens for example:  Shooting % by season  6.5, 8.1, 14.7, 9, 10.4.  Guess which season Adams gave Cozens his long-term $7 mill a season deal? The off-season after the 14.7 season.  

But you're arguing two different things. 

1. Don't sign him at all

2. Don't sign him for x based on a career year

That said, 4 yrs at 4.5 million actually sounds reasonable. He's probably having a career year in goals but you also need a 40pt 3rd line center. 

[Broken Ankles]

1 hour ago, GASabresIUFAN said:

He is having a career best scoring season so far. Yeah!  Lets say he finishes with 45 points.  How much are you paying for a career year?  How many years?  5-6 years $4.5 mill a season.  

Coyle, Karlsson, Compher, Pageau, Danault (originally brought in as #2, dropped to 3C), Mittlestadt, Lundell all 3Cs making around $5M and over.  If he signs for 5 at $4.5 it will be one hell of a 3C AAV in 2030.  I know, Karlsson and Lundell are more than 40 pt players.  What about Lars Eller?  He’s in the dictionary under 3C.  He signed a 6 year deal in 2018 for $3.5m.  Roughly 4.5% of cap.  A $4- 4.5M deal would be about the same in 2025-26 cap. And Lars never achieved a 40 point season with the Caps in those six years.  I hope KA is fired as well, but I would bet dollars to donuts the new GM offers McCloud a multi year extension if he continues to play well and doesn’t disappear for weeks at a time. 

[GASabresIUFAN]

4 minutes ago, Broken Ankles said:

Coyle, Karlsson, Compher, Pageau, Danault (originally brought in as #2, dropped to 3C), Mittlestadt, Lundell all 3Cs making around $5M and over.  If he signs for 5 at $4.5 it will be one hell of a 3C AAV in 2030.  I know, Karlsson and Lundell are more than 40 pt players.  What about Lars Eller?  He’s in the dictionary under 3C.  He signed a 6 year deal in 2018 for $3.5m.  Roughly 4.5% of cap.  A $4- 4.5M deal would be about the same in 2025-26 cap. And Lars never achieved a 40 point season with the Caps in those six years.  I hope KA is fired as well, but I would bet dollars to donuts the new GM offers McCloud a multi year extension if he continues to play well and doesn’t disappear for weeks at a time. 

So because Lars Eller was a poor signing we should make a similar deal with McLeod? 

I won't re-sign McLeod at all because he is wilding inconsistent and doesn't drive offense.  I concede that given our lack of centers, my wish is unlikely to come true.   

However giving a long-term extension to a wilding inconsistent center who doesn't drive offense and is having a career year is a contract we are destine to regret.  At most I'd give him 3 years and certainly not more than 3.75 per season.  He just isn't worth it.

[LGR4GM]

7 hours ago, GASabresIUFAN said:

So because Lars Eller was a poor signing we should make a similar deal with McLeod? 

I won't re-sign McLeod at all because he is wilding inconsistent and doesn't drive offense.  I concede that given our lack of centers, my wish is unlikely to come true.   

However giving a long-term extension to a wilding inconsistent center who doesn't drive offense and is having a career year is a contract we are destine to regret.  At most I'd give him 3 years and certainly not more than 3.75 per season.  He just isn't worth it.

He drives defense though. He isn't a positive defensive player by accident and he uses that to create rush offense. He might not be driving shots for but he does prevent shots against. You allow McLeod to work with a playmaker at wing and have a good middle 6 line. 

I wish we had Porter Martone because he'd worked well with McLeod due to the playmaker and rush ability. 

[LTS]

8 hours ago, GASabresIUFAN said:

So because Lars Eller was a poor signing we should make a similar deal with McLeod? 

I won't re-sign McLeod at all because he is wilding inconsistent and doesn't drive offense.  I concede that given our lack of centers, my wish is unlikely to come true.   

However giving a long-term extension to a wilding inconsistent center who doesn't drive offense and is having a career year is a contract we are destine to regret.  At most I'd give him 3 years and certainly not more than 3.75 per season.  He just isn't worth it.

I don't see wildly inconsistent. He might currently be enjoying that higher shooting percentage but until the end of the season comes around it's hard to know how it will all play out there.

I see a player who is second on the team in +/- who wins more than 50% FO, 6th in scoring and a great penalty killer. I don't think McLeod is just having a career contract year. I think he's just a 25 year old player who's putting it together.

I'd sign him. I wouldn't even consider not.

[JohnC]

11 hours ago, GASabresIUFAN said:

He is having a career best scoring season so far. Yeah!  Lets say he finishes with 45 points.  How much are you paying for a career year?  How many years?  5-6 years $4.5 mill a season.  How do a I know this is a career year?  Just look at this shooting %.  It's 21.3 this season.  His other 3 seasons, 11, 14.1, 11.3.  This isn't Sam Reinhart.  Alarm Bells should be ringing.  Talk about a contract that won't look good sooner than later as this player doesn't drive offense as you freely admit and there is no way he'll sustain a 20%+ shooting %.  Are you really going to pay your 3rd line center, whose play got him demoted to the 4th line for weeks $4.5 a season?  How do I know that's what KA will give him if he hits 45 pts?  Because Adams always overpays.  No bargain allowed except ELCs.  

So why am I against McLeod, because I've seen enough lousy play from him to realize that he's wildly inconsistent and I fear another terrible contract being given to a guy off a career year.  

If you don't think this is a justified concern lets take Cozens for example:  Shooting % by season  6.5, 8.1, 14.7, 9, 10.4.  Guess which season Adams gave Cozens his long-term $7 mill a season deal? The off-season after the 14.7 season.  

The issue with McCleod is more about what his contract will be than about him as a player. I wouldn't want to sign him for 5-6 year term, at whatever price, but would be interested in him with a 3-4 year term. It seems to me that @LGR4GM is on the right track with a 3-4 yr term at $4.5 M. I see him as a 3C. If you want to get more production out of him then bring in another player or two who will upgrade the lower line he would be on.