What would you trade for Elias Petterson?

[Porous Five Hole]

1 hour ago, freester said:

NFW.
Cozens, Rosen, Samuelson,  top 5 protected pick

Vancouver doesn’t do this. It brings in 11 million for the 11 million they just moved out and no one thinks Cozens & Muel = EP. Protecting the pick and a maybe prospect isn’t sweet enough.  It’s why I suggest unprotected the pick to get it done. 

[7+6=13]

1 hour ago, GASabresIUFAN said:

 

 

 

Come on folks, what are the odds of Adams completing a deal like this for any price?  Honestly, I doubt even Adams would be stupid enough to trade a top 5 pick, but given how well managed this team is, I wouldn’t put anything past him which is why I put forth the Power and pick idea.  

Friedman can report what he wants, but I don’t see Adams pulling off the deal.

 

 

 

You posted "Power and our top 5 pick" because you think our GM isn't even stupid enough to do that, but given how mismanaged the team is, you wouldn't put it past him. However, c'mon Adams can't get this deal done at any price?

You sure, you didn't just post that,  then didn't like the responses, so you decided to somehow blame Adams?

[GASabresIUFAN]

https://www.sportsnet.ca/nhl/article/sabres-showing-interest-in-canucks-elias-pettersson/

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So, with the Hurricanes likely now out of the equation, is there a new team that becomes the favourite to potentially land Pettersson — if the Canucks do indeed deal him?

"I think those talks continue, and I believe that one of the teams that has really shown a lot of interest is Buffalo," Friedman added on Saturday. "There are others, but the Sabres are definitely in there."

This comes after the Sabres and Canucks had been rumoured to be in talks earlier this season. Back in December, Friedman talked about the two teams during an appearance on CHEK's Donnie & Dhali show and threw out Bowen Byram and Dyan Cozens as two players the Canucks could be interested in.

"Do I think the Canucks have talked to Buffalo? Yeah, I do. Do I think the Sabres have talked to the Canucks? Yes, I do," said Friedman. "Do I think that's the exact combination that they've talked about? No, I don't know that."

He later added, "I could see Vancouver being interested in those players, and I could see Buffalo being interested in Pettersson."

 

Take this for what it's worth.  Friedman "knows" the teams have talked and thinks Van may have an interest in Cozens and/or Byram and the Sabres may have an interest in Pettersson, but he he has no idea whether any of those 3 players are actually in discussions between the two teams.  For all we know the Sabres may have an interest in the other Elias Pettersson, a 6'3 209 lbs LHD drafted by Van in 2022, who was just called up by Van from the AHL.  

 

[thewookie1]

3 hours ago, GASabresIUFAN said:

 

 

 

Come on folks, what are the odds of Adams completing a deal like this for any price?  Honestly, I doubt even Adams would be stupid enough to trade a top 5 pick, but given how well managed this team is, I wouldn’t put anything past him which is why I put forth the Power and pick idea.  

I also think Cozens and Byram won’t be enough to get the deal done.  Van is trying to save money.  They won’t want the 14-15 million liability that comes with those two players. 

I could see Power and Benson for Pettersson.  If Van is moving on from Miller and Pettersson, they are going to want some real forward talent back.  They may not think anyone in the Sabres system brings that except our top 5 pick.  Van’s pick is 12th currently.  Maybe the deal includes a swap of 1sts.

Friedman can report what he wants, but I don’t see Adams pulling off the deal.

 

 

 

 

I would hope lightning strikes the GM if he made that idiotic of a trade.

3 hours ago, Weave said:

It’ll be Tage Thompson moving out if it happens.  Book it.

What we always have to trade away our top scorer? Or is it just because you hate Thompson?

Edited yesterday at 07:57 AM by thewookie1

[Sabres73]

Trading for the immature, moping locker room cancer would be a massive mistake. It would be a complete panic move. They can't wait to get rid of him. If you think he's a big suck now, just wait until he gets traded to Buffalo.

Edited yesterday at 08:07 AM by Sabres73

[Berg]

Everyone would be happy to be in trade list and run away from this ... team

[sabremike]

5 hours ago, Weave said:

It’ll be Tage Thompson moving out if it happens.  Book it.

Him and Dahlin are the only two players that should be off limits but our GM is a literal bumbling incompetent moron so that actually has a decent chance of happening. It would be at best a slight upgrade for $4 million extra and still leaves us without another top 6 center.

[Weave]

3 hours ago, thewookie1 said:

 

 

What we always have to trade away our top scorer? Or is it just because you hate Thompson?

Why do people on the internet have to read things that aren’t there?

I didn’t say whether I endorsed it or not.  I didn’t provide my opinion on Tage Thompson.  I merely predicted that if the deal happens, Tage is part of the deal.  Sort of LaFontaine for Turgeon lite. 1C for a different 1C.

Vancouver is in win now mode.  They aren’t accepting picks or prospects as the main deal components.  I doubt they knowingly downgrade at center by accepting Cozens as the primary Buffalo component.  I think it is going to take a player that is of Thompson’s stature to pry Petterson from Van.  So that is my prediction, if Petterson is traded to Buffalo, Thompson will be going the other way.

[inkman]

5 hours ago, thewookie1 said:

 

I would hope lightning strikes the GM if he made that idiotic of a trade.

What we always have to trade away our top scorer? Or is it just because you hate Thompson?

What do you think other teams want?  Our worst scoring forward?

[LGR4GM]

8 hours ago, Porous Five Hole said:

I realize there’s no comparable trade to point to and this is unconventional, but if EP isn’t currently damaged by tendinitis, my offer is Cozens + our first rounder for EP. It probably won’t happen because it just doesn’t happen, but I would do it.
And the only reason Vancouver would do it is because they have to move on from either Miller or EP…and offers for Miller are not close to this. Nor would offers be close to this for EP (especially because most teams are Cap teams and they need dollar in-dollar out).  

Our first will be in the top five. It’s a hefty price to pay, but I’m paying it. The concept of Martone or Misa sounds nice, but that puts the Sabres 2-3 years away from that player’s arrival.  I don’t want to wait that long to be good. Pettersson is the real deal and fully formed. No more relying on youth and the future.
Making Tage 2C makes this team A LOT better today and that’s what I’m most concerned about.  

No one expected to have this asset (a top five pick) when the season started. Use it to upgrade now. 

I would rather trade Byram than pick #3. Byram is a lhd that we have to pay on a team with 2 other lhd of high money and skill. You can get Pettersson and then in 2 years play him with Misa. 

Again, this godforesaken franchise have lowered the bar so low, it's down to "make playoffs" 

If you're doing this trade you use assets you can part with. No one trades unprotected top 5 picks.

[Thorner]

11 hours ago, inkman said:

 

Marino is misquoting him, though. Friedman never said that 

And a bunch of people have, of course, run with it. Some even stating is as sabres being THE favourite 

[Thorner]

Simply said the sabres are among teams that have shown interest 

[Thorner]

8 hours ago, Porous Five Hole said:

No one expected to have this asset (a top five pick) when the season started. Use it to upgrade now. 

Ohh that’s a good point. If we really do need another high draft pick to “save” us we are screwed anyways: and the idea a critical mass of youth will eventually just put us over doesn’t work either, we’ve had an abundant system with graduations and it’s not working without a better vet component 

To your point, we weren’t *counting* on a high pick, based on our analysis of the system and roster: better to look at the reasons what we have isn’t coming to fruition and add to it in a way we haven’t in the name of balance 

Rather than continuing to supplement in the same way we have over and over 

[Archie Lee]

I’m torn. On the one hand, a big change is needed. On the other hand, I really don’t want Adams to be the architect. I just think he needs to be removed from his GM role and if he makes a Pettersson trade it likely signifies that he and Ruff will be back next year. I think the evidence is now overwhelming that both are not currently good at their jobs. If I had my choice between the two of them being involved in big roster moves or a different GM and head coach overseeing significant but quite a bit more subtle changes, I would choose the latter and it’s not close. 

On Pettersson’s value. It’s tricky. Obviously he has been a star player. He has high draft pedigree and is still young. He’s a real centre and is quite good/responsible defensively, to go along with 80-90 point potential.  But, his offence has declined 2 years in a row. His contract is huge. Fair or unfair, there are questions re: his commitment. There are enough negatives that there should be some drag on his value. 
 

[Thorner]

1 minute ago, Archie Lee said:

I’m torn. On the one hand, a big change is needed. On the other hand, I really don’t want Adams to be the architect. I just think he needs to be removed from his GM role and if he makes a Pettersson trade it likely signifies that he and Ruff will be back next year. I think the evidence is now overwhelming that both are not currently good at their jobs. If I had my choice between the two of them being involved in big roster moves or a different GM and head coach overseeing significant but quite a bit more subtle changes, I would choose the latter and it’s not close. 

On Pettersson’s value. It’s tricky. Obviously he has been a star player. He has high draft pedigree and is still young. He’s a real centre and is quite good/responsible defensively, to go along with 80-90 point potential.  But, his offence has declined 2 years in a row. His contract is huge. Fair or unfair, there are questions re: his commitment. There are enough negatives that there should be some drag on his value. 
 

Exactly what I was thinking. If Adams makes the deal, does that mean he’s back?

If that’s the case, I agree: I’d rather not see the trade. Too detrimental in the macro IMHO 

[Thorner]

It would reflect well on Adams I’d say, don’t get me wrong. It’s the type of aggressiveness we need(-ed, a long time ago). And that’s the point: I can’t flip my whole mantra of results being the focus (and 5 years no playoffs) in the name of a single swap when train had already gone off the rails.

is there a universe in which we see an EP swap and Adams is still canned at season’s end?

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ironically, trading for EP in the midst of year 5 of straight misses under Adams, when “trades are impossible” was so often used in his defence, is arguably more damning than not 

Edited yesterday at 01:57 PM by Thorner

[LGR4GM]

10 minutes ago, Thorner said:

Ohh that’s a good point. If we really do need another high draft pick to “save” us we are screwed anyways: and the idea a critical mass of youth will eventually just put us over doesn’t work either, we’ve had an abundant system with graduations and it’s not working without a better vet component 

To your point, we weren’t *counting* on a high pick, based on our analysis of the system and roster: better to look at the reasons what we have isn’t coming to fruition and add to it in a way we haven’t in the name of balance 

Rather than continuing to supplement in the same way we have over and over 

A top 5 pick in this draft helps us rebalance the pool more. Misa and Hagens would be physical forwards that aren't small. Hagens would be a 200ft playmaker at C. 

I'm not counting on them to save us, I'd count on them to improve us. We have to move a lhd at some point. We should move a current top 6 forward. We can use those pieces instead of losing a top 3 draft pick. 

[inkman]

33 minutes ago, Thorner said:

Simply said the sabres are among teams that have shown interest 

I’ve had a bone to pick with the talking heads of twitter for a while now. They continue to throw the Sabres into every trade scenario, giving unrealistic trades inflating Sabres faithful hopes on things that are never going to happen. 

[GASabresIUFAN]

6 hours ago, thewookie1 said:

I would hope lightning strikes the GM if he made that idiotic of a trade.

Would you rather keep Benson or get Misa or Martone in the draft?  They are going to want a young cost controlled talented forward who is NHL ready.  The options on the high end are our top 5 pick, then Benson or JJP, then Quinn and Kulich, followed by Helenius, and Rosen.  

I love Benson’s game but we need to keep the top 5 pick.  

 

[Archie Lee]

22 minutes ago, LGR4GM said:

A top 5 pick in this draft helps us rebalance the pool more. Misa and Hagens would be physical forwards that aren't small. Hagens would be a 200ft playmaker at C. 

I'm not counting on them to save us, I'd count on them to improve us. We have to move a lhd at some point. We should move a current top 6 forward. We can use those pieces instead of losing a top 3 draft pick. 

On balance, I agree. I would prefer the Sabres move out a couple of young roster players for veterans more ready to win now, and keep their top pick. The challenge is:  which young roster players. Kulich has moved himself to the front of the line in value amongst our under 23 forwards, I think. He looks like a centre. Pettersson/Kulich might be a legit one/two centre punch, with McLeod, Krebs, Kozak, Helenius being pretty solid organizational depth. 

[Pimlach]

6 minutes ago, inkman said:

I’ve had a bone to pick with the talking heads of twitter for a while now. They continue to throw the Sabres into every trade scenario, giving unrealistic trades inflating Sabres faithful hopes on things that are never going to happen. 

What else do the Sabres faithful want to hear about (or click on)?  There are other stories but all they do is highlight what we know.  That the fan base is dwindling, no one wants to play for or work for the Sabres, and that the franchise is dying.  

[Thorner]

38 minutes ago, LGR4GM said:

A top 5 pick in this draft helps us rebalance the pool more. Misa and Hagens would be physical forwards that aren't small. Hagens would be a 200ft playmaker at C. 

I'm not counting on them to save us, I'd count on them to improve us. We have to move a lhd at some point. We should move a current top 6 forward. We can use those pieces instead of losing a top 3 draft pick. 

I was speaking in terms of age balance, which is our main issue. In that vein, those players won’t improve us next year. We won’t be improved by injecting youth. Ymmv: but that’s the conclusion I’ve drawn based on the considerable pool of results 

keeping the team young is a conduit to keeping it cheap. Sure, yes, the player is nice: but the way we are acquiring said player is part of a pattern of operation ensuring we never make the playoffs 

Edited yesterday at 02:44 PM by Thorner

[Pimlach]

9 hours ago, Porous Five Hole said:

Vancouver doesn’t do this. It brings in 11 million for the 11 million they just moved out and no one thinks Cozens & Muel = EP. Protecting the pick and a maybe prospect isn’t sweet enough.  It’s why I suggest unprotected the pick to get it done. 

If we do acquire EP I suspect he will have one good season at the most, and then he turns back into the player that he is right now.  I do not want him.  He is not going to help us become a winning and hard working team.  That is not him.  

He stagnated on Vancouver where they have much higher expectations than the Pegula Sabres.   Let’s not rebuild with players that need rehab (see Lehner, Kane and Bogo), it won’t work.  

[Porous Five Hole]

1 minute ago, Pimlach said:

If we do acquire EP I suspect he will have one good season at the most, and then he turns back into the player that he is right now.  I do not want him.  He is not going to help us become a winning and hard working team.  That is not him.  

He stagnated on Vancouver where they have much higher expectations than the Pegula Sabres.   Let’s not rebuild with players that need rehab (see Lehner, Kane and Bogo), it won’t work.  

I think your opinion of him is inaccurate.  Yes he isn’t having a great year and dealing with a knee issue, but you’re not describing him fairly. EP has been a point per game player for his career and is elite defensively at age 26. It’s probably just a dream that he’s even available. 

[inkman]

39 minutes ago, Pimlach said:

What else do the Sabres faithful want to hear about (or click on)?  There are other stories but all they do is highlight what we know.  That the fan base is dwindling, no one wants to play for or work for the Sabres, and that the franchise is dying.  

So lying to us is the answer?  I don’t have a lot of skin in the game as I don’t care about this team much anymore, but I’d prefer people only actually report on credible information.  It’s why I was constantly at odds with folks starting “Rumor” topics. It just turns into what everyone fantasy is. Not credible actionable information.  Just people swinging their ***** in the wind.