What would you trade for Elias Petterson?

[LGR4GM]

Just now, Porous Five Hole said:

IF Vancouver would bite on the concept, I would do it.  
 

Why hold the 2025 pick and hope you get an elite guy in 2-3 years time…when that pick can be used to acquire Pettersson, a guy you *hope* said 2025 pick would turn into one day…and you get the player right now.  
 

See if you can grab some advanced stat graphs from Petts 22-23 and 23-24 seasons. The guy is elite.

It’s a unique situation.
Vancouver would have to decide 1) Miller & Pettersson will be problematic for the locker room forever, 2) Miller’s no trade protection gets them pennies on the dollar for JT in a trade, and 3) the Canuck’s need to move Petts before his NMC kicks in for max value. 
The Sabres are one of a few teams who can absorb Petts AAV and they will have ammo to make a deal.  

Because I think I can trade some combination of Cozens and Byram and still use that 1st round pick. 

So you're only asking half the correct question. Do I want Petterson and Cozens/Byram or do I want Petterson and Misa with no Cozens or Byram.

[Porous Five Hole]

11 minutes ago, LGR4GM said:

Because I think I can trade some combination of Cozens and Byram and still use that 1st round pick. 

So you're only asking half the correct question. Do I want Petterson and Cozens/Byram or do I want Petterson and Misa with no Cozens or Byram.

I want to be good asap.  
Gimme Petts with Byram and Cozens versus the concept of Misa & Petts in 2027-28.  

[Archie Lee]

1 hour ago, LGR4GM said:

I don't agree because you're comparing nonsense to the top 4 in this draft. Further, what you fail to at least acknowledge is that Buffalo could win the lottery. So you're giving away potentially 1st overall. You'd be better served trading Cozens and stuff than that imo.

No, I partially agreed with you and qualified my comment with the proviso that the pick would be top 2 or 3 protected.  Regardless, we are not trading our 1st if it is a top 5. Such trades just don’t happen. The teams with the pick are worried they are trading a future star and the teams with the player are afraid they are trading a current good NHL player for a future bust. 

[mjd1001]

10 minutes ago, Porous Five Hole said:

I want to be good asap.  
Gimme Petts with Byram and Cozens versus the concept of Misa & Petts in 2027-28.  

I agree with you on being good or better NOW rather than later.

Byram I would love to keep here, but does he want to stay for a reasonable contract?  If they can keep him here I'd much rather have him rather than trading him.

Cozens I'm just about done with. He is on the verge of being 'addition by subtraction'.  Not quite, but, as flawed as this team is, I think of Cozens, Tuch, Zucker...and I can say "at times they are the reason the team wins games'.  My bottom 6 I don't need that from as much. Cozens has to be a top 6 guy on this team...but I don't ever see him as a reason they win games. He is not much more than a 3rd line level scorer. He doesn't set up or make is linemates better in my eyes. He is a liability defensively with his decision making. Even when he does score, he might be the 'least clutch' guy on the team (How many game winners do you remember him scoring or setting up?)  And he is awful on the PP (he's out there for ever Powerplay but has a total of 11 pp goals over his 5 year career).   I guess I'm 100% ready to move on from him, I do not see him helping the team hardly ever, and I do see him make critical mistakes that help them lose on occasion.

[LGR4GM]

Ok, I'm ready. Pick Byram or Power, add Cozens to the deal, get petterson and whatever you need to balance this out. 

I think the deal has to be Byram unless you're taking a cap dump to even out the money. I'm not saying that's my preferred choice. 

Cozens,  Byram, 2025 3rd for Pettersson, and a 2nd

[WhenWillItEnd66]

But the answer is in this roster!!!! Lol

[Flashsabre]

3 hours ago, LGR4GM said:

Ok, I'm ready. Pick Byram or Power, add Cozens to the deal, get petterson and whatever you need to balance this out. 

I think the deal has to be Byram unless you're taking a cap dump to even out the money. I'm not saying that's my preferred choice. 

Cozens,  Byram, 2025 3rd for Pettersson, and a 2nd

Cozens and Byram for EP40 and Vincent Desharnais

He is a 6’7 RHD they signed from Edmonton but it hasn’t worked out and they are looking to move him. Plays defensively. Take a shot as Power’s partner for the rest of the season.

[Archie Lee]

26 minutes ago, Flashsabre said:

Cozens and Byram for EP40 and Vincent Desharnais

He is a 6’7 RHD they signed from Edmonton but it hasn’t worked out and they are looking to move him. Plays defensively. Take a shot as Power’s partner for the rest of the season.

I would not lose any sleep over such a trade. I have crossed the Rubicon when it comes to Adams though. I no longer want to see him make any moves of consequence.  Long-term, adding Pettersson for Cozens/Byram, might be a good trade.  In the short-term it still leaves us with 5 players under 24 in the top 9 and with a very young back-end. I can't see Pettersson being happy about leaving a difficult personal situation only to be traded to the league's largest tire-fire.  It is difficult to imagine a scenario where either the team or Pettersson, would view his arrival in Buffalo right now as a needed "breath of fresh air".  Maybe that is a bit nihilistic, but Adams has had his chances to make smart and purposeful moves that would direct us towards being a playoff team. Rather than do this he has pushed the team towards disaster.  I don't see the value of him getting an opportunity to make good.

[LGR4GM]

56 minutes ago, Flashsabre said:

Cozens and Byram for EP40 and Vincent Desharnais

He is a 6’7 RHD they signed from Edmonton but it hasn’t worked out and they are looking to move him. Plays defensively. Take a shot as Power’s partner for the rest of the season.

That guy has 21 give aways and 2 take aways this season. Fits perfectly in Buffalo. 

[Archie Lee]

I will add, if we have an internal cap and will continue to (and all indications are we do and will), then I'm not sure it makes sense to dedicate $11 million each in cap space to two players.  It is possible to work with an internal cap and be successful. It might be difficult to do if we are spreading the available money even thinner.

 

[Stoner]

4 hours ago, LGR4GM said:

Ok, I'm ready. Pick Byram or Power, add Cozens to the deal, get petterson and whatever you need to balance this out. 

I think the deal has to be Byram unless you're taking a cap dump to even out the money. I'm not saying that's my preferred choice. 

Cozens,  Byram, 2025 3rd for Pettersson, and a 2nd

I'm not challenging it, but if you were a Canucks fan, would you like that trade?

[Flashsabre]

18 minutes ago, LGR4GM said:

That guy has 21 give aways and 2 take aways this season. Fits perfectly in Buffalo. 

Hence why they are trying to move him. Taking their cast off to get the deal done. Hope for the best he turns it around

[Sabres Fan in NS]

This draft's first + whatever.

[Crusader1969]

17 hours ago, Porous Five Hole said:

I want to be good asap.  
Gimme Petts with Byram and Cozens versus the concept of Misa & Petts in 2027-28.  

Let's be honest.  This team is at least 2 years if not 3 years away from being good.  

[Archie Lee]

9 minutes ago, Stoner said:

I'm not challenging it, but if you were a Canucks fan, would you like that trade?

At the start of the year, the Atlantic ranked the league's top 150 players.  Pettersson was in tier-two, 23red overall, as a "Franchise" player.  Defined as: "Someone who is the best player on a contending team or second best on a championship-caliber team. An unquestionably elite player."

Power and Cozens were in tier 5, "Support" players. They were both top 150 in the league, defined as "Someone who would offer strong support to a contending or championship core, but who wouldn’t be an integral piece within it. A below average first-line forward or a strong No. 2 defenseman".

Dahlin and Thompson were in tier 3.  Byram was not in the top 150

I think that these rankings were the Athletic staff's view of these players as they currently are, and not projections of what they will be when they reach their true prime.  

Later, in November they published trade tiers where they ranked the league's top 100 players by trade value.  Pettersson was 38th.  Power, Cozens, Thompson were 57, 58 and 69 respectively.  Dahlin was 17th.  Byram was not listed.

Sorry if this was a waste of time.  I don't know what it means re: your question. I don't think there is a team that's going to swap a different top 30 player for Pettersson.  If you are trading a player regarded that highly, you are getting pieces that you hope will equal or better the singular piece you are giving up.  

[Crusader1969]

4 hours ago, LGR4GM said:

Ok, I'm ready. Pick Byram or Power, add Cozens to the deal, get petterson and whatever you need to balance this out. 

I think the deal has to be Byram unless you're taking a cap dump to even out the money. I'm not saying that's my preferred choice. 

Cozens,  Byram, 2025 3rd for Pettersson, and a 2nd

I am on board too.  Just wish it didn't cost them Byram on top of Cozens 

seems a pretty steep price to pay.  You just have to you beat the next best deal 

I'm probably an idiot for thinking it would eventually work but I still like the idea of having Dahlin, Power and Byram when they are all 25+