What would you trade for Elias Petterson?

[PerreaultForever]

6 hours ago, Flashsabre said:

Canucks need a centre back as a major piece of the deal.

Joshua got a contract and has completely forgot what got him the contract.

I know. Joshua is having a bad idea so that's why I thought they might be willing to toss him in and shed the deal as a mistake. Our 4th line could use him though and maybe a new role new team and all that. 

Centre back? Another deal? Let them trade with Boston to get Lindholm. They tried to sign him in the off season and he is not working out in Boston. If they could get him to waive his NTC they could get him relatively cheap. 

Cozens Byram is fine but it's not my preference. I am intrigued with the idea of moving Thompson back to the wing and playing him as the sniper with Petterson. We are moving Kulich ahead too fast imo as we always do. 

[DarthEbriate]

4 minutes ago, PerreaultForever said:

We are moving Kulich ahead too fast imo as we always do. 

Yup. Luke Adam looked alright and scored points in his first 20 games as a 1C as well (though I think Kulich is a much better player with a much higher floor) than Adam.

[PerreaultForever]

8 minutes ago, DarthEbriate said:

Yup. Luke Adam looked alright and scored points in his first 20 games as a 1C as well (though I think Kulich is a much better player with a much higher floor) than Adam.

Oh I think Kulich can definitely be a top 6 player but 1C at this stage is ridiculous. He has things to work on and habits to instill and there's still work to be done. We just keep throwing them in the deep end and hoping they swim. Stupid franchise. 

[mjd1001]

3 hours ago, PerreaultForever said:

Oh I think Kulich can definitely be a top 6 player but 1C at this stage is ridiculous. He has things to work on and habits to instill and there's still work to be done. We just keep throwing them in the deep end and hoping they swim. Stupid franchise. 

I would love Kulich to be a 3rd line center now.  If you had Tage being healthy (which it seems he can never be anymore) as the 1c, 2c being a veteran, and 3c being Kulich. He can get almost as many minutes as the first 2 lines...but you can pick and choose when or when not to use him in pressure situations.

Edited January 27 by mjd1001

[GoPuckYourself]

Some rumors really flying around that Vancouver and Buffalo are in talks about Pettersson. I can only imagine how badly Adams is going to get fleeced on this deal.

[GASabresIUFAN]

Let’s say for arguments sake that Adams manages to acquire Petterson and Cozens is part of the package.  What is the spine next year?  
 

The following “centers” will be under contract or control:  TnT, Pettersson, Kulich, McLeod, Krebs, Lafferty and Kozak.  

Does Kulich’s ascension make McLeod expendable or do we shift one of TNT or Kulich to wing to keep all the centers?  
 

 

[Mr. Allen]

20 minutes ago, GASabresIUFAN said:

Let’s say for arguments sake that Adams manages to acquire Petterson and Cozens is part of the package.  What is the spine next year?  
 

The following “centers” will be under contract or control:  TnT, Pettersson, Kulich, McLeod, Krebs, Lafferty and Kozak.  

Does Kulich’s ascension make McLeod expendable or do we shift one of TNT or Kulich to wing to keep all the centers?  
 

 

How long until Helenius is ready? 

[LGR4GM]

31 minutes ago, GASabresIUFAN said:

Let’s say for arguments sake that Adams manages to acquire Petterson and Cozens is part of the package.  What is the spine next year?  
 

The following “centers” will be under contract or control:  TnT, Pettersson, Kulich, McLeod, Krebs, Lafferty and Kozak.  

Does Kulich’s ascension make McLeod expendable or do we shift one of TNT or Kulich to wing to keep all the centers?  
 

 

Stop trying to get rid of McLeod 

Centers would be:

Pettersson 

Kulich

McLeod 

Krebs

I'd try Thompson with Pettersson. I think it's hard to say because I don't believe all the coaches return and the system will change a bit. 

Edit: I'd add we don't know if Kulich will continue or even maintain his level of play, it's smart to build in redundancy like McLeod or even Thompson. 

Edited January 28 by LGR4GM

[Crusader1969]

15 hours ago, LGR4GM said:

Cozens, Byram, 2025 2nd rounder for Pettersson. That's my offer. 

I get that it will probably take trading Byram to get a deal done 

just not liking the D.  The depth on D is  already the teams weakest link

guess that opens the door to them drafting the top Dman in the draft this year lol 

[Crusader1969]

7 hours ago, PerreaultForever said:

Oh I think Kulich can definitely be a top 6 player but 1C at this stage is ridiculous. He has things to work on and habits to instill and there's still work to be done. We just keep throwing them in the deep end and hoping they swim. Stupid franchise. 

At this point who are the 2 centers better than him on the squad? He's earned his time and doing well in that role    

[PerreaultForever]

20 minutes ago, Crusader1969 said:

At this point who are the 2 centers better than him on the squad? He's earned his time and doing well in that role    

"better" is a funny word. How has this strategy worked for the Sabres so far? Have you not noticed that the same thing keeps happening over and over and over again? 

[Crusader1969]

3 minutes ago, PerreaultForever said:

"better" is a funny word. How has this strategy worked for the Sabres so far? Have you not noticed that the same thing keeps happening over and over and over again? 

I don't have a problem with him being their #1 centre at this time.   I would have issue if he is their #1 centre going into next season

[PerreaultForever]

7 minutes ago, Crusader1969 said:

I don't have a problem with him being their #1 centre at this time.   I would have issue if he is their #1 centre going into next season

I understand the position you are taking but it just doesn't seem right to me. Nobody else does this. 

[GoPuckYourself]

1 hour ago, GASabresIUFAN said:

Let’s say for arguments sake that Adams manages to acquire Petterson and Cozens is part of the package.  What is the spine next year?  
 

The following “centers” will be under contract or control:  TnT, Pettersson, Kulich, McLeod, Krebs, Lafferty and Kozak.  

Does Kulich’s ascension make McLeod expendable or do we shift one of TNT or Kulich to wing to keep all the centers?  
 

 

I don't think so, McLeod is also good on the PK but Krebs on the other hand. 

[GASabresIUFAN]

37 minutes ago, Crusader1969 said:

At this point who are the 2 centers better than him on the squad? He's earned his time and doing well in that role    

It's not exactly a high bar of quality center play for Kulich to step over right now, but you are correct with TNT injured and on the wing, McLeod and Kulich are the two best centers on this roster.  Cozens and Lafferty have been awful and Krebs is a JAG.  

Assuming a Pettersson trade, the hope is Pettersson assumes the No. 1 job and then see where things shake out from there.  Do you pair TNT with Pettersson or do you hope TNT and EP can anchor the top 2 lines with Kulich and McLeod battling for the 3rd center job.

 

[inkman]

1 hour ago, Mr. Allen said:

How long until Helenius is ready? 

Another season in the A for sure 

[mjd1001]

10 hours ago, GoPuckYourself said:

Some rumors really flying around that Vancouver and Buffalo are in talks about Pettersson. I can only imagine how badly Adams is going to get fleeced on this deal.

I'm not sure why. He has made some bad trades, made some good ones.  His issue is the lack of movement/signing/bringing in vets that has doomed this roster.

His last big trade, Mitts for Bryam, I don't think you would call that a fleecing.  Other than not liking Adams and saying that to take a shot at him, I'm not sure what in recent history shows he would get fleeced on a big trade like this.

[Archie Lee]

16 minutes ago, mjd1001 said:

I'm not sure why. He has made some bad trades, made some good ones.  His issue is the lack of movement/signing/bringing in vets that has doomed this roster.

His last big trade, Mitts for Bryam, I don't think you would call that a fleecing.  Other than not liking Adams and saying that to take a shot at him, I'm not sure what in recent history shows he would get fleeced on a big trade like this.

I agree with this. If this trade happens, I think it will be one of Byram or Power, and one of Cozens or Peterka, and one of Benson or Kulich or a 1st rd pick, for Pettersson and a secondary piece, like Desharnais or Forbort.

I think some Sabres fans will see that as a fleecing.  But the hockey world in general will see the trade as the Sabres getting the elite player.

[thewookie1]

I'm still holding firm at Cozens + Byram for Petersson and that is supposedly the price but apparently Adams might be asking for more back; he better not pull a Botts and strike down a trade for some sort of insane issue with receiving an extra piece.

[mjd1001]

3 minutes ago, thewookie1 said:

I'm still holding firm at Cozens + Byram for Petersson and that is supposedly the price but apparently Adams might be asking for more back; he better not pull a Botts and strike down a trade for some sort of insane issue with receiving an extra piece.

I'd be willing to do a bit more:

-Bryam, what is he going to cost to sign him?  Honeslty, I would hope they could put some prospects or another peice and keep Bryam, but I'm not sure if he was ever meant to be a 100% permanent piece on this team.

-Cozens.  I say this with 100% honesty, no hyperbole. This team is better in the long term when Cozens isn't on it, especially if you can get a "more complete" player to replace him (even if that player has less raw talent).  Cozens to me has little value and is more of a 'throw in' than a big part of any trade.

If they have to throw in something else to make it work, so be it.  This team needs a change and needs a player like Pettersson.  I have no idea where the idea that he is a perimeter floater comes from. If you watch him play, that isn't his game.

[Archie Lee]

2 minutes ago, thewookie1 said:

I'm still holding firm at Cozens + Byram for Petersson and that is supposedly the price but apparently Adams might be asking for more back; he better not pull a Botts and strike down a trade for some sort of insane issue with receiving an extra piece.

Maybe I’m over-valuing Pettersson. Perhaps his most recent performance combined with his high salary and pending NMC are bigger factors in dragging down his value than I think.

On another site I saw a list of players in the Cap-Era who had 400 points in their first 400 games and it’s pretty much a who’s who of modern day future hall of famers. Pettersson is one of only 12 players to do this in the Cap-Era. 

If I had a choice between waking up tomorrow to a Pettersson trade or an Adams firing, I take the firing. I would prefer a new GM manage any trades or roster changes. 

[EM88]

1 minute ago, Archie Lee said:

Maybe I’m over-valuing Pettersson. Perhaps his most recent performance combined with his high salary and pending NMC are bigger factors in dragging down his value than I think.

On another site I saw a list of players in the Cap-Era who had 400 points in their first 400 games and it’s pretty much a who’s who of modern day future hall of famers. Pettersson is one of only 12 players to do this in the Cap-Era. 

If I had a choice between waking up tomorrow to a Pettersson trade or an Adams firing, I take the firing. I would prefer a new GM manage any trades or roster changes. 

When you look at Pettersson and his career, it is much different than Dylan Cozens.

Dylan Cozens had one single year people are holding onto hope based on. As others have said on this very forum, he always has had questionable value away from the puck and that one year was a result of a shooting percentage anomaly. He shot close to 15%. For his career, and every other year, that is not who he is.  Analytics conclusions pften show a 1 year shooting percentage anomaly is one of the biggest things that can revert to the norm.

Pettersson has a much larger sample size of great play. In his 6 seasons completed in his career he has never finished as a negative +/- player, even when Vancouver had a bad year as a team.  Every year he has been a 30 goal scorer (or on pace for 30 goals when not playing a full 82 games). He gets nearly 50 assists per 82 games for his career, so he gets his teammates involved in the game.

It is a tad bit troubling that from the day he signed his new contract last year his production has dropped, But he has a very large sample size showing he is indeed a young, 2-way, playmaking and scoring center that can get 1st line assignments.

A trade for him is not without risk, that is for sure. Even with that risk I would be very happy if a deal for him was completed.

[bunomatic]

1 hour ago, mjd1001 said:

I'm not sure why. He has made some bad trades, made some good ones.  His issue is the lack of movement/signing/bringing in vets that has doomed this roster.

His last big trade, Mitts for Bryam, I don't think you would call that a fleecing.  Other than not liking Adams and saying that to take a shot at him, I'm not sure what in recent history shows he would get fleeced on a big trade like this.

In recent history, results. Going back to the day he was hired. Pretty much.

[MISabresFan]

This season is a bust.  Adding players now does not put the Sabers over the top and make the playoffs.  Clean out the staff (Gm. coach, and maybe others) and bring in some veteran help.  Let the new staff decide how to proceed.  Askiing this staff to make decisions witll continue the current trend.  I would put a halt on all player decisions and start the exorcism.

Edited January 28 by MISabresFan

[GoPuckYourself]

1 hour ago, mjd1001 said:

I'm not sure why. He has made some bad trades, made some good ones.  His issue is the lack of movement/signing/bringing in vets that has doomed this roster.

His last big trade, Mitts for Bryam, I don't think you would call that a fleecing.  Other than not liking Adams and saying that to take a shot at him, I'm not sure what in recent history shows he would get fleeced on a big trade like this.

Hey if you think he’s done a masterful job so far that’s your opinion but he’s been a huge failure imo it’s not really surprising since he had no qualifications in the first place.