What would you trade for Elias Petterson?

[Flashsabre]

IF they make the Pettersson deal I would  go  EP40, Tage, Kulich, McLeod to start as a centre spine.

Have Helenuis develop another year in Rochester and see what happens in the draft “Misa, Hagens” 

A healthy Tage as a 2C makes this team competitive as long as other parts of the team are addressed.

My biggest worry is what do they do to address the D corps if Byram is moved? Do they try to put Muel back with Dahlin? Still a massive hole beside Power.

[Pimlach]

1 hour ago, Archie Lee said:

Maybe I’m over-valuing Pettersson. Perhaps his most recent performance combined with his high salary and pending NMC are bigger factors in dragging down his value than I think.

On another site I saw a list of players in the Cap-Era who had 400 points in their first 400 games and it’s pretty much a who’s who of modern day future hall of famers. Pettersson is one of only 12 players to do this in the Cap-Era. 

If I had a choice between waking up tomorrow to a Pettersson trade or an Adams firing, I take the firing. I would prefer a new GM manage any trades or roster changes. 

This.  
 

I hope there is no trade.   Fire Adams in April and bring in an outsider with real NHL Exec and GM experience.  Let that person run things.  

[mjd1001]

47 minutes ago, GoPuckYourself said:

Hey if you think he’s done a masterful job so far that’s your opinion but he’s been a huge failure imo it’s not really surprising since he had no qualifications in the first place.

Masterful job? When did I say masterful job? not even close.

And whether he is qualified for the overall job has little to do with how well he is at trading.  The Bryam for Mitts trade isn't any better or worse whether he deserved the job in the first place.

I said some good, some bad.  But hey, if you think exagerating my claim makes your post a little better, go for it I guess. 

[Thorner]

The Sabres are *12 points* behind the SECOND LAST place team in the Atlantic. Absurd.

sorry, couldn’t find the low point thread 

[inkman]

2 hours ago, mjd1001 said:

I'd be willing to do a bit more:

-Bryam, what is he going to cost to sign him?  Honeslty, I would hope they could put some prospects or another peice and keep Bryam, but I'm not sure if he was ever meant to be a 100% permanent piece on this team.

-Cozens.  I say this with 100% honesty, no hyperbole. This team is better in the long term when Cozens isn't on it, especially if you can get a "more complete" player to replace him (even if that player has less raw talent).  Cozens to me has little value and is more of a 'throw in' than a big part of any trade.

If they have to throw in something else to make it work, so be it.  This team needs a change and needs a player like Pettersson.  I have no idea where the idea that he is a perimeter floater comes from. If you watch him play, that isn't his game.

Because he’s European 

[inkman]

13 hours ago, GoPuckYourself said:

Some rumors really flying around that Vancouver and Buffalo are in talks about Pettersson. I can only imagine how badly Adams is going to get fleeced on this deal.

I honestly don’t think any of the “rumors” are credible. I think media and fans have thrown so much ***** against the wall, something was bound to stick. As I have said ad nauseam, fan speculation is not rumor.  Yet here we are again with what seems like just fans and media hypothesizing whatever is the garbage of the day and voila, a rumor is born.  Not based on anything other than internet dickheads just blabbing at the mouth…er…fingertips.  

[Stoner]

22 minutes ago, Thorner said:

The Sabres are *12 points* behind the SECOND LAST place team in the Atlantic. Absurd.

sorry, couldn’t find the low point thread 

It was deleted for unknown reasons as per usual.

[mjd1001]

10 minutes ago, inkman said:

I honestly don’t think any of the “rumors” are credible. I think media and fans have thrown so much ***** against the wall, something was bound to stick. As I have said ad nauseam, fan speculation is not rumor.  Yet here we are again with what seems like just fans and media hypothesizing whatever is the garbage of the day and voila, a rumor is born.  Not based on anything other than internet dickheads just blabbing at the mouth…er…fingertips.  

I agree with this.

Friedman does tend to break a lot of news and has some connections, but often times the 'rumors' he throws out there, stuff that isn't imminent....is often wrong.

I mean he gets stuff correct, but my impression is if you go through is 32 thoughts over the last few years...his 'long term' projections on trades are probably well under 10%.

[GASabresIUFAN]

2 minutes ago, mjd1001 said:

I mean he gets stuff correct, but my impression is if you go through is 32 thoughts over the last few years...his 'long term' projections on trades are probably well under 10%.

How many trades are discussed by GMs and how many of those discussions ultimately lead to a trade?  5%? Less?

I’m sure Adams has inquired about Pettersson and my guess is Van’s GM has kicked the tires on Cozens and or Byram.  The odds of a deal getting done are still pretty slim. 

[mjd1001]

3 minutes ago, GASabresIUFAN said:

How many trades are discussed by GMs and how many of those discussions ultimately lead to a trade?  5%? Less?

I’m sure Adams has inquired about Pettersson and my guess is Van’s GM has kicked the tires on Cozens and or Byram.  The odds of a deal getting done are still pretty slim. 

You are probably correct, it may be well under 5% and he Friedman isn' predecting trades, he is just passing along that discussions occured I guess.

The issue is, fans, message boards like this, tend to take rumors and run with them. WE may be the ones that take a statement like 'converstations were had' and we turn that into 'a trade is imminent'.

Anyway, I just want something to be done.  For along time I was in the camp of wait. Let the young guys develop. Give it another year. Be patient.  BUT at this point, its obvious to me that changes need to be made.

This season, the low point for me was not the 13 game losing streak itself. It was not the loss to Colorado. The single worst moment of the season for me was hearing Pegula showed up in Montreal and basically said "no changes".

[Flashsabre]

2 minutes ago, mjd1001 said:

You are probably correct, it may be well under 5% and he Friedman isn' predecting trades, he is just passing along that discussions occured I guess.

The issue is, fans, message boards like this, tend to take rumors and run with them. WE may be the ones that take a statement like 'converstations were had' and we turn that into 'a trade is imminent'.

Anyway, I just want something to be done.  For along time I was in the camp of wait. Let the young guys develop. Give it another year. Be patient.  BUT at this point, its obvious to me that changes need to be made.

This season, the low point for me was not the 13 game losing streak itself. It was not the loss to Colorado. The single worst moment of the season for me was hearing Pegula showed up in Montreal and basically said "no changes".

The answer is in the room. They just haven’t found where in the room it is.😝

[Dreams Burn Down]

31 minutes ago, Flashsabre said:

The answer is in the room. They just haven’t found where in the room it is.😝

If you have to ask, you will never know. If you know, you need only ask.

[Thorner]

49 minutes ago, GASabresIUFAN said:

How many trades are discussed by GMs and how many of those discussions ultimately lead to a trade?  5%? Less?

I’m sure Adams has inquired about Pettersson and my guess is Van’s GM has kicked the tires on Cozens and or Byram.  The odds of a deal getting done are still pretty slim. 

The carrot to the fanbase is the rumor he tried in and of itself 

10 minutes ago, Dreams Burn Down said:

If you have to ask, you will never know. If you know, you need only ask.

The room of requirement! 

[inkman]

1 hour ago, GASabresIUFAN said:

How many trades are discussed by GMs and how many of those discussions ultimately lead to a trade?  5%? Less?

I’m sure Adams has inquired about Pettersson and my guess is Van’s GM has kicked the tires on Cozens and or Byram.  The odds of a deal getting done are still pretty slim. 

We are heading down a slippery slope here.  So let’s just say that the 5% is the actual number of trades that come to fruition from “rumors”. Wouldn’t it behoove these twitter heads to just make up whatever they want just for clicks?  Especially with activity famished fanbases like the Sabres.  Just mention their favorite players (or least) in some “rumors” and you got clicks. To hell with reporting on actual real life events. It’s all a sham. Imagine that.  No one is fact checking the rumors because only 5% are coming true.  Just say whatever you want. Fans will eat it up. We are full speed ahead on Idiocracy.  

[French Collection]

1 hour ago, Flashsabre said:

The answer is in the room. They just haven’t found where in the room it is.😝

The ghosts of Habs HOFers may have been in the room too, but he wouldn’t listen to them either. He knows way more about hockey than those legends.

[PerreaultForever]

3 hours ago, inkman said:

I honestly don’t think any of the “rumors” are credible. I think media and fans have thrown so much ***** against the wall, something was bound to stick. As I have said ad nauseam, fan speculation is not rumor.  Yet here we are again with what seems like just fans and media hypothesizing whatever is the garbage of the day and voila, a rumor is born.  Not based on anything other than internet dickheads just blabbing at the mouth…er…fingertips.  

Except Rutherford has publicly admitted now that there is a locker room problem and that he doesn't see a solution without moving somebody so at least one of the two will be traded, they are just trying to maximize their return. As such I think if Adams really wants to make this happen he could. 

[Flashsabre]

For those people saying there is nothing to these rumors there is way too much smoke from too many people that would be in the loop on some level.

Edited Tuesday at 09:06 PM by Flashsabre

[inkman]

2 hours ago, Flashsabre said:

For those people saying there is nothing to these rumors there is way too much smoke from too many people that would be in the loop on some level.

It’s the same people with the same motivation.  Clicks.  They don’t care if it’s true. 

[Crusader1969]

11 hours ago, Archie Lee said:

I agree with this. If this trade happens, I think it will be one of Byram or Power, and one of Cozens or Peterka, and one of Benson or Kulich or a 1st rd pick, for Pettersson and a secondary piece, like Desharnais or Forbort.

I think some Sabres fans will see that as a fleecing.  But the hockey world in general will see the trade as the Sabres getting the elite player.

I can't imagine adding Kulich or Benson to that deal.  I can see a 1st round pick (protected 2025)

I wouldn't make the trade if they want Byram / Power, Kulich / Benson along with Cozens.   
 

let's not pretend EP is a top 10 center at this time.  
You are hoping he gets back to that level but there is no guarantee.  

[Crusader1969]

9 hours ago, Flashsabre said:

IF they make the Pettersson deal I would  go  EP40, Tage, Kulich, McLeod to start as a centre spine.

Have Helenuis develop another year in Rochester and see what happens in the draft “Misa, Hagens” 

A healthy Tage as a 2C makes this team competitive as long as other parts of the team are addressed.

My biggest worry is what do they do to address the D corps if Byram is moved? Do they try to put Muel back with Dahlin? Still a massive hole beside Power.

That's 100% right.  We think the D is bad now, imagine more minutes for Jokiharju , Bryson and the like 
 

 

[Brawndo]

 

Above From yesterday 

 

Below from today 

 

 

[Sabres73]

The only deal I'd make with the Canucks is for a younger prospect like Willander. Maybe we can swap prospects. I have no interest in Pettersson or Miller.

[Crusader1969]

For what it's worth , Rutherford said today that they might not even get a 2C trade back for EP.   
if I'm the Sabres , I'm giving Cozens, a top prospect like Rosen and a protected 1st.   I would do my best to hold onto Power and Byram as they have absolutely no depth to backfill their spot 

[inkman]

2 hours ago, Crusader1969 said:

For what it's worth , Rutherford said today that they might not even get a 2C trade back for EP.   
if I'm the Sabres , I'm giving Cozens, a top prospect like Rosen and a protected 1st.   I would do my best to hold onto Power and Byram as they have absolutely no depth to backfill their spot 

Sounds like a guy (Rutherford) who’d rather trade Miller. 

[Crusader1969]

1 minute ago, inkman said:

Sounds like a guy (Rutherford) who’d rather trade Miller. 

Definitely but Millers age and NTC Is going to make it real difficult to get any value for him.