What would you trade for Elias Petterson?

[Porous Five Hole]

The amount of folks here who don’t want a 100 point C1 because he’s quiet is bonkers 

[Flashsabre]

11 minutes ago, Porous Five Hole said:

The amount of folks here who don’t want a 100 point C1 because he’s quiet is bonkers 

Who’s also elite defensively. But he doesn’t punch people in the face so no dice.

[Familykwi]

On 12/21/2024 at 7:08 AM, freester said:

I would offer Cozens and Samuelson and Rosen. Idk if that gets it done. 

Yeah, this is the environment for a player like Patterson.

Truth be told, if ANY Sabres player could be a part of an offer to upgrade the roster, the Sabres should do it.

Thompson is unreliable health wise

Dahlin is the most talented player on THIS roster, but would not be a captain for many other teams.

Power is no Dahlin

Byrum is excess as a left shot defensemen.  He's not staying if he's not top pair minutes

The problem is that most players that could help, don't want to come here, so there is not much help on the horizon.

 

[Two or less]

3 hours ago, Porous Five Hole said:

The amount of folks here who don’t want a 100 point C1 because he’s quiet is bonkers 

For a team thats about to miss the playoffs for 14 straight seasons. lol

[Huckleberry]

Would give them Dylan cozens and a 1st rounder for him easy.

[LGR4GM]

9 hours ago, Porous Five Hole said:

The amount of folks here who don’t want a 100 point C1 because he’s quiet is bonkers 

Is he that? 

[WhenWillItEnd66]

7 minutes ago, LGR4GM said:

Is he that? 

He is not a 100 Point center. He is a 30 goal scorer who is a true #1 C. Marty Biron compared him to Vanek and i think that is a great comparison. I would easily trade Cozens and whatever to get him. This team needs maturity and goal scoring, he provides.

[Porous Five Hole]

14 minutes ago, LGR4GM said:

Is he that? 

 

1 minute ago, WhenWillItEnd66 said:

He is not a 100 Point center. He is a 30 goal scorer who is a true #1 C. Marty Biron compared him to Vanek and i think that is a great comparison. I would easily trade Cozens and whatever to get him. This team needs maturity and goal scoring, he provides.

Yes he is. 102 points in 22-23, 89 points last year. Banged up this year. He’s 26. He’s a franchise player.  

[LGR4GM]

1 minute ago, Porous Five Hole said:

 

Yes he is. 102 points in 22-23, 89 points last year. Banged up this year. He’s 26. He’s a franchise player.  

I think he's a 75pt player. Granted I think Cozens is a 55pt player. 

[WhenWillItEnd66]

Just now, Porous Five Hole said:

 

Yes he is. 102 points in 22-23, 89 points last year. Banged up this year. He’s 26. He’s a franchise player.  

Ok, so this should be a must do for KA. Make it happen. We have pieces. His no movement does not kick in until next year so we can get him.

 

[Porous Five Hole]

1 hour ago, LGR4GM said:

I think he's a 75pt player. Granted I think Cozens is a 55pt player. 

I think you’re underselling him by a lot. His first two years at age 20 & 21 were 66 points each (rookie 71 games played , second year 68 games played). He’s producing 75 pts in his sleep.  

He’s closer to 100 than he is 75. He is elite. 

I’m not saying he’s actually available, but if he is…him and Dahlin are probably tight (same age and same junior teams). Hopefully Dahls could help recruit him.
 

Time to overpay. It is going to hurt a little, but it helps that we suck so bad this season.  
I would include this year’s first round pick unprotected (likely top five pick), Krebs (to return a Center), an NHL player like Quinn or Muel, and an Amerk of their choice (not Helenius if possible, but anyone else…Östlund, Rosen, Wallberg, RyJo are all on the table).

Three or four high-end assets for one is a haul, but Pettersson is a fully developed 26 year old C1 signed through his prime.
And, perhaps it doesn’t cost this much because the Sabres are one of the only teams that can take on his salary. So maybe you can make the pick top three protected or maybe you can keep Quinn around. 

Getting Elias out of a Canadian market might be just what the doctor ordered.
A lot of folks don’t want Adams pulling the trigger on stuff like this because they’re expecting he will be fired, but he needs to go big to save his job and save this team. 

[Porous Five Hole]

[Friedman on Fan590] "Everybody knows Vancouver is open to listening, that they have already (both players)...but I think their preference is: 'grow up and figure it out.' What's different now than weeks ago, is this has begun to spill over elsewhere into the Org. It's bothering Tocchet and Hughes"

C’mon Kevyn, be bold. Save us!

[thewookie1]

1 hour ago, Porous Five Hole said:

[Friedman on Fan590] "Everybody knows Vancouver is open to listening, that they have already (both players)...but I think their preference is: 'grow up and figure it out.' What's different now than weeks ago, is this has begun to spill over elsewhere into the Org. It's bothering Tocchet and Hughes"

C’mon Kevyn, be bold. Save us!

Kevyn's only boldness comes from typing out emails or word documents. Frankly he's more of an italics or underline guy.

[Archie Lee]

1 hour ago, Porous Five Hole said:

I think you’re underselling him by a lot. His first two years at age 20 & 21 were 66 points each (rookie 71 games played , second year 68 games played). He’s producing 75 pts in his sleep.  

He’s closer to 100 than he is 75. He is elite. 

I’m not saying he’s actually available, but if he is…him and Dahlin are probably tight (same age and same junior teams). Hopefully Dahls could help recruit him.
 

Time to overpay. It is going to hurt a little, but it helps that we suck so bad this season.  
I would include this year’s first round pick unprotected (likely top five pick), Krebs (to return a Center), an NHL player like Quinn or Muel, and an Amerk of their choice (not Helenius if possible, but anyone else…Östlund, Rosen, Wallberg, RyJo are all on the table).

Three or four high-end assets for one is a haul, but Pettersson is a fully developed 26 year old C1 signed through his prime.
And, perhaps it doesn’t cost this much because the Sabres are one of the only teams that can take on his salary. So maybe you can make the pick top three protected or maybe you can keep Quinn around. 

Getting Elias out of a Canadian market might be just what the doctor ordered.
A lot of folks don’t want Adams pulling the trigger on stuff like this because they’re expecting he will be fired, but he needs to go big to save his job and save this team. 

Good post.  I agree that Pettersson might thrive in a quieter environment with less pressure.  Also agree that Adams needs to do something. As a fan I have moved firmly into the category of believing Adams should be fired, but I don't think it will happen.  Thus, we are left hoping that Adams somehow figures this out.

To the bolded, the trade you propose does not, in my opinion, come close to an overpay. Certainly an unprotected first is a heavy cost. I don't think if would be attractive to Vancouver as the centre-piece of a trade for Pettersson. They are in win-now mode and a top 10 pick is not likely to help with winning for at least 2-3 years. I think the cost is likely Cozens (to replace Petersson) and Byram. We can play around the edges with prospects/picks and secondary players. 

Some of you will puke over this, but I would rather keep Cozens/Byram and send Power/Peterka/Kulich. If we are making a trade for Pettersson then the goal needs to be to be a playoff contender for years to come, but also next year. Adding Pettersson and subtracting Cozens/Byram does not move the needle enough for me. It would be better to sacrifice some of our youngest players. Losing Power would hurt (A LOT), to be sure. I am not on the trade-Power bandwagon. But I think Cozens/Byram, surrounded by better players, are closer to helping us win now and long-term, than are Power/Peterka/Kulich.

I don't think Vancouver would go for my preferred option though, for the same reasoning. It would take them further from the playoffs in the short-term.

Edited Friday at 04:03 PM by Archie Lee

[LGR4GM]

1 hour ago, Porous Five Hole said:

I think you’re underselling him by a lot. His first two years at age 20 & 21 were 66 points each (rookie 71 games played , second year 68 games played). He’s producing 75 pts in his sleep.  

He’s closer to 100 than he is 75. He is elite. 

I’m not saying he’s actually available, but if he is…him and Dahlin are probably tight (same age and same junior teams). Hopefully Dahls could help recruit him.
 

Time to overpay. It is going to hurt a little, but it helps that we suck so bad this season.  
I would include this year’s first round pick unprotected (likely top five pick), Krebs (to return a Center), an NHL player like Quinn or Muel, and an Amerk of their choice (not Helenius if possible, but anyone else…Östlund, Rosen, Wallberg, RyJo are all on the table).

Three or four high-end assets for one is a haul, but Pettersson is a fully developed 26 year old C1 signed through his prime.
And, perhaps it doesn’t cost this much because the Sabres are one of the only teams that can take on his salary. So maybe you can make the pick top three protected or maybe you can keep Quinn around. 

Getting Elias out of a Canadian market might be just what the doctor ordered.
A lot of folks don’t want Adams pulling the trigger on stuff like this because they’re expecting he will be fired, but he needs to go big to save his job and save this team. 

As a 23yr old in his 4th year he had 68pts in 80 games, he then had 102 in 80, 89 in 82, and is trending towards 65 in 79games. So in the last 4 years he averages 324pts in 321 games, so you are right I am lowballing him because he maths out to about 80pts a year because he will definitely miss 2-3 games a year. 

Including this years 1st round pick unprotected is a terrible idea. You protect a potential top 5 pick all day every day. Also that trade doesn't interest Vancouver. You hare giving them 1 high end asset, 2 middling assets and a 4th line NHL player. 

The vancouver trade is something like Cozens, Power/Byram for Petterson and a sweetner. That is the rough value. 

[Porous Five Hole]

1 minute ago, LGR4GM said:

As a 23yr old in his 4th year he had 68pts in 80 games, he then had 102 in 80, 89 in 82, and is trending towards 65 in 79games. So in the last 4 years he averages 324pts in 321 games, so you are right I am lowballing him because he maths out to about 80pts a year because he will definitely miss 2-3 games a year. 

Including this years 1st round pick unprotected is a terrible idea. You protect a potential top 5 pick all day every day. Also that trade doesn't interest Vancouver. You hare giving them 1 high end asset, 2 middling assets and a 4th line NHL player. 

I know conventional wisdom is to not trade the pick. But I’m getting the top five pick back fully formed.  That’s my angle.  No more development.  
 

A top 5 pick, our boy Quinn, Krebs or Muel, a first round prospect, and millions in cap flexibility. I don’t think it is an automatic no.
 I will concede Vancouver only does this if they absolutely have to split up Miller & Pettersson.  I’m working under that premise. 

[WhenWillItEnd66]

3 minutes ago, LGR4GM said:

As a 23yr old in his 4th year he had 68pts in 80 games, he then had 102 in 80, 89 in 82, and is trending towards 65 in 79games. So in the last 4 years he averages 324pts in 321 games, so you are right I am lowballing him because he maths out to about 80pts a year because he will definitely miss 2-3 games a year. 

Including this years 1st round pick unprotected is a terrible idea. You protect a potential top 5 pick all day every day. Also that trade doesn't interest Vancouver. You hare giving them 1 high end asset, 2 middling assets and a 4th line NHL player. 

The vancouver trade is something like Cozens, Power/Byram for Petterson and a sweetner. That is the rough value. 

I was thinking the same thing. The only thing i would love to add after a trade like that would be a physical defensive dman. Would seriously check a lot of needs for the Sabres for something like that.

[Archie Lee]

12 minutes ago, LGR4GM said:

As a 23yr old in his 4th year he had 68pts in 80 games, he then had 102 in 80, 89 in 82, and is trending towards 65 in 79games. So in the last 4 years he averages 324pts in 321 games, so you are right I am lowballing him because he maths out to about 80pts a year because he will definitely miss 2-3 games a year. 

Including this years 1st round pick unprotected is a terrible idea. You protect a potential top 5 pick all day every day. Also that trade doesn't interest Vancouver. You hare giving them 1 high end asset, 2 middling assets and a 4th line NHL player. 

The vancouver trade is something like Cozens, Power/Byram for Petterson and a sweetner. That is the rough value. 

I agree on the value of a top 5 pick.  But let's take the top-5 pick and say we make it a protected top 2-3.  Pettersson was a 4th OA.  Two picks ahead of him was Nolan Patrick.  The two picks that followed him were Cody Glass and Lias Andersson. The year prior saw Puljujarvi and Joulevi going top 5.  The year after you had Kotkaniemi, Hayton and Zadina going top 6. Pettersson himself was at best D+2 before he was helping a team make the playoffs.  Vancouver would love a top 5 pick as part of the deal, I'm sure.  It won't be the most important part of the deal to them though, as they are in win-now, playoff mode. If we are in playoff mode also (I though that was the point of this), a top 5 pick is not likely going to contribute to the goal for 2-3 years (if at all).

[DarthEbriate]

Because I glibly mentioned Dakota Joshua's brother being in the 1/3/25 Amerks trade, I'll now glibly note that it'd be just like Adams to trade for Elias Pettersson and add in D.Joshua after he'd gotten his big (relatively) payday and term and reverted back into an AHL tweener and is producing like Lafferty for the Sabres this season.

I'll also idly speculate that Cozens' start as 1C with Zucker/TNT vs. Colorado was a showcase game for moving Cozens.

Edited Friday at 10:08 PM by DarthEbriate

[Weave]

1 hour ago, DarthEbriate said:

 

I'll also idly speculate that Cozens' start as 1C with Zucker/TNT vs. Colorado was a showcase game for moving Cozens.

If this were any other franchise I would be all in on that being a showcase move.

[Huckleberry]

We all grasping at nothing and we know it.

11 hours ago, thewookie1 said:

Kevyn's only boldness comes from typing out emails or word documents. Frankly he's more of an italics or underline guy.

I seen you do better, not even sure what you mean in all of thise besides personal sentiment.

[Pimlach]

Sone interesting options tossed out.  Does Adams have the stones for a big deal?   Maybe that is why he acquired a guy named Jagger?  

[mjd1001]

7 hours ago, Pimlach said:

Sone interesting options tossed out.  Does Adams have the stones for a big deal?   Maybe that is why he acquired a guy named Jagger?  

The other thing is....I think Friedman speculated about this deal, to my knowledge not much has come out of vancouver as a legit rumor they want to deal him.

Maybe they do, but maybe they are comitted to keeping him there and there is no deal to be made anyway.

 

[LGR4GM]

On 1/3/2025 at 11:27 AM, Archie Lee said:

I agree on the value of a top 5 pick.  But let's take the top-5 pick and say we make it a protected top 2-3.  Pettersson was a 4th OA.  Two picks ahead of him was Nolan Patrick.  The two picks that followed him were Cody Glass and Lias Andersson. The year prior saw Puljujarvi and Joulevi going top 5.  The year after you had Kotkaniemi, Hayton and Zadina going top 6. Pettersson himself was at best D+2 before he was helping a team make the playoffs.  Vancouver would love a top 5 pick as part of the deal, I'm sure.  It won't be the most important part of the deal to them though, as they are in win-now, playoff mode. If we are in playoff mode also (I though that was the point of this), a top 5 pick is not likely going to contribute to the goal for 2-3 years (if at all).

I don't agree because you're comparing nonsense to the top 4 in this draft. Further, what you fail to at least acknowledge is that Buffalo could win the lottery. So you're giving away potentially 1st overall. You'd be better served trading Cozens and stuff than that imo.

[Porous Five Hole]

48 minutes ago, LGR4GM said:

I don't agree because you're comparing nonsense to the top 4 in this draft. Further, what you fail to at least acknowledge is that Buffalo could win the lottery. So you're giving away potentially 1st overall. You'd be better served trading Cozens and stuff than that imo.

IF Vancouver would bite on the concept, I would do it.  
 

Why hold the 2025 pick and hope you get an elite guy in 2-3 years time…when that pick can be used to acquire Pettersson, a guy you *hope* said 2025 pick would turn into one day…and you get the player right now.  
 

See if you can grab some advanced stat graphs from Petts 22-23 and 23-24 seasons. The guy is elite.

It’s a unique situation.
Vancouver would have to decide 1) Miller & Pettersson will be problematic for the locker room forever, 2) Miller’s no trade protection gets them pennies on the dollar for JT in a trade, and 3) the Canuck’s need to move Petts before his NMC kicks in for max value. 
The Sabres are one of a few teams who can absorb Petts AAV and they will have ammo to make a deal.