What would you trade for Elias Petterson?

[GoPuckYourself]

3 minutes ago, freester said:

His name is Brady Tkachuk

They would not do that unless we are massively overpaying 

[Carmel Corn]

1 hour ago, Crusader1969 said:

Hate to break this to you but Sabres fandom has already left the building.   
If you are still caring if this team wins or loses , congratulations.   Turn the lights off when you leave the building 

You should really read Archie Lees post, it was excellent   Offensively Power and Byrum are already there    Need defensive responsibilities reduced  .. a partner for Power besides Jokiharju would be a good start   
Sorry if I think the idea of trading him now would be a knucklehead move 

 

Reduce the “defensive responsibilities” of two of your top 4 defensemen?  So are you saying they should be on the bottom 6 pair?  That sounds more knucklehead then trading one of them.

[Crusader1969]

5 minutes ago, Carmel Corn said:

Reduce the “defensive responsibilities” of two of your top 4 defensemen?  So are you saying they should be on the bottom 6 pair?  That sounds more knucklehead then trading one of them.

Yep.  You add in a vet stay at home dman who can play with Power and a bottom pair you can trust, you keep Power out of situations like killing penalties.  5v5 both are net positives.   Would even be better if your 4th dman wasn't an AHL level player 

[Pimlach]

7 hours ago, Brawndo said:

Cozens and  Byram. Although Vancouver probably asks for Power 

Don’t you think that is too much?   

[Carmel Corn]

38 minutes ago, Crusader1969 said:

Yep.  You add in a vet stay at home dman who can play with Power and a bottom pair you can trust, you keep Power out of situations like killing penalties.  5v5 both are net positives.   Would even be better if your 4th dman wasn't an AHL level player 

Top 4 D should play the PK IMHO.  This team has a first line center deficiency and a second line C as well.  Maybe TNT plays wing on a first line, but Cozens isn’t a 2C.  We need a top 6 center right now more than a young soft development project that cannot defend (making $8 million)

[Crusader1969]

3 minutes ago, Carmel Corn said:

Top 4 D should play the PK IMHO.  This team has a first line center deficiency and a second line C as well.  Maybe TNT plays wing on a first line, but Cozens isn’t a 2C.  We need a top 6 center right now more than a young soft development project that cannot defend (making $8 million)

So I guess you don't consider Quinn Hughes a top 4 dman? 

Just now, Crusader1969 said:

So I guess you don't consider Quinn Hughes a top 4 dman? 

Or Luke Hughes ? 

[Carmel Corn]

Just now, Crusader1969 said:

So I guess you don't consider Quinn Hughes a top 4 dman? 

Or Luke Hughes ? 

Power is nothing like either….if he could skate like them, then maybe you might have an argument.  

[Crusader1969]

2 minutes ago, Crusader1969 said:

So I guess you don't consider Quinn Hughes a top 4 dman? 

Or Luke Hughes ? 

Chychrun?

1 minute ago, Carmel Corn said:

Power is nothing like either….if he could skate like them, then maybe you might have an argument.  

Morgan Reilly? 

[Crusader1969]

11 minutes ago, Carmel Corn said:

Top 4 D should play the PK IMHO.  This team has a first line center deficiency and a second line C as well.  Maybe TNT plays wing on a first line, but Cozens isn’t a 2C.  We need a top 6 center right now more than a young soft development project that cannot defend (making $8 million)

Erik Karlsson has never been a top 4 since he's never killed penalties either 

6 minutes ago, Crusader1969 said:

So I guess you don't consider Quinn Hughes a top 4 dman? 

Or Luke Hughes ? 

Vince Dunn can't be a top 4. Since he doesn't kill them either 

[Crusader1969]

5 minutes ago, Carmel Corn said:

Power is nothing like either….if he could skate like them, then maybe you might have an argument.  

Brandon montour can't be either.  Doesn't kill penalties 

[Carmel Corn]

3 minutes ago, Crusader1969 said:

Chychrun?

Morgan Reilly? 

Keep throwing out names and maybe you’ll finally get a hit.  BTW Chychrun doesn’t make $8 million a year.  Power can’t skate like Karlsson could.  Reilly?…..yeah he’s paid a lot I guess, but I would not be advocating having him on our roster either.

[Crusader1969]

14 minutes ago, Carmel Corn said:

Top 4 D should play the PK IMHO.  This team has a first line center deficiency and a second line C as well.  Maybe TNT plays wing on a first line, but Cozens isn’t a 2C.  We need a top 6 center right now more than a young soft development project that cannot defend (making $8 million)

So your argument is to trade Power because he isnt good at D and shouldn't be killing Penalties at the age of 22

BUT he has better offensive numbers than the players I listed at 5v5.  ....again at 22. 
 

 

1 minute ago, Carmel Corn said:

Keep throwing out names and maybe you’ll finally get a hit.  BTW Chychrun doesn’t make $8 million a year.  Power can’t skate like Karlsson could.  Reilly?…..yeah he’s paid a lot I guess, but I would not be advocating having him on our roster either.

So none of these players are good enough to be in your top 4?   Laughable 

[Carmel Corn]

Just now, Crusader1969 said:

So your argument is to trade Power because he isnt good at D and shouldn't be killing Penalties at the age of 22

BUT he has better offensive numbers than the players I listed at 5v5.  ....again at 22. 
 

 

My argument is that we have higher priorities than keeping him and that we are wasting $8 million a year for a defender who is paid like a top 4, but can’t play defense.  Maybe someday he will, but it may be a 15 to 20 year playoff drought by then.

[Brawndo]

45 minutes ago, Pimlach said:

Don’t you think that is too much?   

No, especially since Friedman mentioned on the 32 Thoughts podcast on Monday that Byram is looking to be the number one defenseman on a team, which to me translates into wanting a large AAV on his next extension.  I highly doubt that Adams or hopefully his replacement gets the approval to pay three defenseman more than 8 million per year 

[Crusader1969]

7 minutes ago, Carmel Corn said:

My argument is that we have higher priorities than keeping him and that we are wasting $8 million a year for a defender who is paid like a top 4, but can’t play defense.  Maybe someday he will, but it may be a 15 to 20 year playoff drought by then.

Your argument is terrible.

  There is a reason why guys like Reilly and Karlsson get paid. 

they need to replenish the bottom 3 - 4 guys on the D with Vets who are responsible and can shore up the defensive play in their own end 

1 minute ago, Brawndo said:

No, especially since Friedman mentioned on the 32 Thoughts podcast on Monday that Byram is looking to be the number one defenseman on a team, which to me translates into wanting a large AAV on his next extension.  I highly doubt that Adams or hopefully his replacement gets the approval to pay three defenseman more than 8 million per year 

If he is going to go to Vancouver he might want to look up Quinn. Hughes.    Oh wait Carmel Corn said guys who don't kill penalties shouldn't be in the top 4

[Carmel Corn]

1 minute ago, Crusader1969 said:

Your argument is terrible.

  There is a reason why guys like Reilly and Karlsson get paid. 

they need to replenish the bottom 3 - 4 guys on the D with Vets who are responsible and can shore up the defensive play in their own end 

We already have Dahlin and Byram…..I’d rather add another top 4 who can actually play a shut-down defensive style vs. being a wandering pseudo forward.  In the mean time, our top 6 can’t score enough goals to win games.

[Crusader1969]

Just now, Carmel Corn said:

We already have Dahlin and Byram…..I’d rather add another top 4 who can actually play a shut-down defensive style vs. being a wandering pseudo forward.  In the mean time, our top 6 can’t score enough goals to win games.

Good plan.  Need offence so  Trade the kid who is 2nd in the league in 5v5 scoring for dmen at the age of freaking 22!!!!

[Carmel Corn]

1 minute ago, Crusader1969 said:

Good plan.  Need offence so  Trade the kid who is 2nd in the league in 5v5 scoring for dmen at the age of freaking 22!!!!

We need offense from our top 6…..and we need an $8 million kid to be able to play defense too, otherwise you might as well make him a forward…..or is that what you are suggesting?

[Pimlach]

15 minutes ago, Brawndo said:

No, especially since Friedman mentioned on the 32 Thoughts podcast on Monday that Byram is looking to be the number one defenseman on a team, which to me translates into wanting a large AAV on his next extension.  I highly doubt that Adams or hopefully his replacement gets the approval to pay three defenseman more than 8 million per year 

Interesting.  I would try to give them less than Byram if we give up Cozens.   Byram might be the best of tne three.  Not sure Petterson is worth both players.   I don’t like the trade.   

[Crusader1969]

11 minutes ago, Carmel Corn said:

We need offense from our top 6…..and we need an $8 million kid to be able to play defense too, otherwise you might as well make him a forward…..or is that what you are suggesting?

 I'mp suggesting that a defenceman can contribute offensively.  

[Carmel Corn]

2 minutes ago, Crusader1969 said:

15 minutes ago, Carmel Corn said:

We need offense from our top 6…..and we need an $8 million kid to be able to play defense too, otherwise you might as well make him a forward…..or is that what you are suggesting?

 I'mp suggesting that a defenceman can contribute offensively.  

Agreed in theory yes.  We have Dahlin and Byram who can do this as well.  BUT we need players who are on the ice both even strength and on the PK who can neutralize opposing players in the zone, box out in the crease, etc.  I am in a different place than you in terms of the value of defense vs. offense by our defenders.  If Power was making $5 million vs. $8 would I feel differently? Maybe.  

Regardless of that….our top 6 simply sucks from a goal production standpoint and our Power Play is a hot mess, so I think we desperately need to give up something of value to get something we need….top 6 goal production.

[PromoTheRobot]

11 hours ago, freester said:

I would offer Cozens and Samuelson and Rosen. Idk if that gets it done. 

More important question: would he come here? 

Every team knows we are desperate and will hold us up for a bag of pucks

[rickshaw]

EP40 better be careful what he wishes for cuz he very well may end up in Buffalo. I don’t think he’s the answer at all. He really has the IDC attitude which is polar opposite of JT. Which is probably why Miller and Petie don’t get along. 
Sabres need to look elsewhere if making moves. 

[PerreaultForever]

Byram will make a steep ask in order to force a trade out of here. I mean wouldn't you? Saw this coming a mile away. 

Pettersson is not the answer and not what we need so no doubt he's here in a few weeks.