What would you trade for Elias Petterson?

[freester]

I would offer Cozens and Samuelson and Rosen. Idk if that gets it done. 

Edited yesterday at 03:08 PM by freester

[LGR4GM]

Idk, tell me how he's played this year and last.

[Jorcus]

Petterson is a huge long term commitment for a guy who is not as hard edge as what we need. Vancouver wants a D man first so it would have to be Power or Byram in the deal. Also the contract goes to no movement next year so if you want to dump him in 3 years he will have a say in where he would go. It's a big risk, and I don't think it's a fit. 

Edited yesterday at 03:18 PM by Jorcus

[mjd1001]

2 years ago I thought Pettersson was an up and coming superstar. Top 5 -10 player in the league. Its almost like the moment he signed his contract something happened:

Last season before signing his big extension:

62 games, 29 goals, 46 assists (38g, 61a, 99 point pace)

Since signing his deal (last part of last season, playoffs and this year):

65 games, 14 goals, 32 assists (18 goal, 40 assist, 58 point pace)

Now....65 games is starting to be a big sample size. If there was an injury, he had the offseason to heal up and he's not playing much better this year. So that is a yellow flag.

His metrics are still pretty good. He's skating just as well. Getting similar minutes. His shooting percentage is down though, not drastically but it is.

So, what do I give up?  Cozens.  This is where its tricky, Petterson, over his CAREER, is a better player. But in the past 50-60 games, the production gap between them has narrowed, especially when you consider the gap in pay.

Since Pettersson signed, which is now approaching those 70 games again:

Pettersson: 65gp, 14 goals, 32 assists (pace of 18g, 40a)

Cozens: 54gp, 13 goals, 13 assists (pace of 20g, 20a)

Similar production. Pettersson a lot better playmaker, Cozens a bit better scorer.

So when you look back at their entire Career, obviously Pettersson has better stats. So lets look at their last 2 1/2 seasons.... annualized per 82 games (throwing out their first 1 or so years when they were 'new' to the NHL):

Pettersson: 34 goals, 57 assists, 91 points per 82

Cozens: 24 goals, 31 assists, 55 points per 82

The question becomes, is a 34 goal, 57 assist Pettersson at $11.6m per year (who has lost more of his production recently than Cozens) better than a 24 goal, 31 assist Cozens at $7m per year.  The money matters, as well as recent performance.  

I'd say Pettersson is better even with his drop in production and for the money. But it IS a risk because the money is so high. So I'd be willing to throw in Cozens and something else of Value, but not something of top/elite value.

Cozens and Bryam, but I need something else back from Vancouver besides Pettersson.

Cozens and a lottery protected 1st.  I'd think about it.

Cozens and one of the former first rounders. Yes, but it depends on which one. I might want something else back if they want the guy I have rated the highest.

If the cost is anything more than that, I keep Cozens. Not because I think Cozens is that good...and certainly not becuase I don't think Pettersson is better than Cozens....but its all about what you are getting out of him for that contract. If Vancouver wants more than those offers, I think I might get a better deal elsewhere involving Cozens.  

Remember if you trade for Pettersson, his contract runs to his mid 30s (I think he will be getting paid and under that deal until he is 34 or 35 years old). Forwards tend to 'peak' in production between the ages of 25-29, and there is usually a drop off after 30.  For 1/2 of his deal (or more) you are going to be getting a declining player.

 

Edited yesterday at 04:41 PM by mjd1001

[Brawndo]

Cozens and  Byram. Although Vancouver probably asks for Power 

[SabreFinn]

The Pettersson rumour was Friedman spitballing. But if they really was trading him I think Cozens and Byram would be suitable. He is one heck of a player when he is good, and we could give him better linemates than he has had recently. I think Dahlin could have a positive inpact on him also. 11milj is still a lot of money to hand out for a team where players lose their love for hockey, but I would take that chance.

[GASabresIUFAN]

29 minutes ago, Brawndo said:

Cozens and  Byram. Although Vancouver probably asks for Power 

They can have him, but I’m not trading for a forward until they fix the damn defense.  

[freester]

I’m not giving up any of our top 3 defenders.  We may have to sweeten the deal with a better prospect than Rosen. 

[Archie Lee]

20 minutes ago, freester said:

I’m not giving up any of our top 3 defenders.  We may have to sweeten the deal with a better prospect than Rosen. 

I'm not giving up on any of them either.

Dahlin, when healthy, is elite. I know there are still moments and stretches that leave us scratching our heads, but at his best his play is sublime.  Good management teams (starting with ownership), build championships around players like Dahlin.  It can still be done.

Power is an elite offensive defenseman.  He is on pace for a 54 point season. Do you want to know something shocking?  Owen Power is tied for 2nd in the NHL for even strength points for D-men.  He is tied with Quinn Hughes at 22 points, 1 point behind Cale Makar. That's not the shocking part.  The shocking part is 33 games into this season, Owen Power does not have a single power-play point.  Not one.  His lack of production on the PP in part comes from being behind Dahlin and splitting remaining time with Byram.  The other factor is that the Sabre PP is awful. It is not on the players and it is certainly not on Power. Yes, he needs to find a way to better utilize his size in the D-zone, along the boards, and in front of the net, and he simply needs to become more aware on that side of the puck. But, I doubt that the rest of the NHL looks at Power and sees a defensively weak player who can't be coached to be better.  They see a kid who is an NHL top 5-10 offensive talent from the blue-line, whose ceiling has not come close to having been tapped. 

Byram?  See Power, but not quite the same level. Byram is 9th in the league for even strength points for a D-man and has 1 PP point.  His potential likewise remains largely untapped.

The issue, and this goes back to mismanagement by Adams, may simply be that having 3 left-shot D-men with similar primary skill sets is not how you build a blue-line for the NHL.  Moving one (Byram would be the obvious choice), should be an option when it comes to remaking the roster. 

 

Edited yesterday at 05:57 PM by Archie Lee

[mjd1001]

2 hours ago, Archie Lee said:

Byram?  See Power, but not quite the same level. Byram is 9th in the league for even strength points for a D-man and has 1 PP point.  His potential likewise remains largely untapped.

 

 

I like Byram. I think he is actually the 2nd best D-man on this team behind Dahlin, and with Dahlin being hurt/playing hurt its been pretty close between them.

I just am starting to wonder a bit about his re-signability.  He's restricted, so he can't just walk.  But he can make some pretty high demands, either to get a lot of money or as a back door way of forcing a trade (to a better team, to a team where he gets #1 minutes/pp minutes instead of behind Dahlin, or simply to a team that will pay him more)

I have heard something to the effect of "he wants to be the #1 guy" on a team.  Now if that is just something someone on here posted as a rumor I'd say "whatever", but I think it was posted on here and I heard it on the radio (probably 590).

[Carmel Corn]

Power as the main piece.  I'd be happy to see them unload that horrible contract.  Throw in a prospect such as Rosen or even Kulich.  Östlund is a prospect we need to keep because he may be the closest thing we have to a natural center/playmaker.

[inkman]

Nothing 

[Kristian]

6 hours ago, freester said:

I would offer Cozens and Samuelson and Rosen. Idk if that gets it done. 

Terry Pegula.

[Sabres73]

As a Vancouver resident who watches him a lot, I wouldn't want to trade for him. He's soft, disappeared in the playoffs, has had long stretches of disappearing in the regular season as well. Apparently doesn't get along with JT Miller and who knows else. He's aloof, doesn't seem like a great teammate. He's one of those guys that will rack up point in the regular season yet really not do much for the team. Not interested.

4 hours ago, SabreFinn said:

The Pettersson rumour was Friedman spitballing. But if they really was trading him I think Cozens and Byram would be suitable. He is one heck of a player when he is good, and we could give him better linemates than he has had recently. I think Dahlin could have a positive inpact on him also. 11milj is still a lot of money to hand out for a team where players lose their love for hockey, but I would take that chance.

Way too much for Pettersson.

[inkman]

6 hours ago, freester said:

I would offer Cozens and Samuelson and Rosen. Idk if that gets it done. 

Petterson is not the answer to the Sabres problems.  He resembles the problems more than the solution.  

[GoPuckYourself]

Pettersson is to me the  opposite of what we should be looking for. Where is our Greenway who can score?

[Crusader1969]

I give it 20 games before half this board hate Petterson for not hitting anyone 

[Crusader1969]

1 hour ago, Carmel Corn said:

Power as the main piece.  I'd be happy to see them unload that horrible contract.  Throw in a prospect such as Rosen or even Kulich.  Östlund is a prospect we need to keep because he may be the closest thing we have to a natural center/playmaker.

Let's check back when Power is 24 or so. 
I would have really thought Sabres fans would learnt some type of lesson watching players improve as they mature.    
Nope. , we  have a boat load of Knuckleheads 

[Crusader1969]

4 hours ago, Archie Lee said:

I'm not giving up on any of them either.

Dahlin, when healthy, is elite. I know there are still moments and stretches that leave us scratching our heads, but at his best his play is sublime.  Good management teams (starting with ownership), build championships around players like Dahlin.  It can still be done.

Power is an elite offensive defenseman.  He is on pace for a 54 point season. Do you want to know something shocking?  Owen Power is tied for 2nd in the NHL for even strength points for D-men.  He is tied with Quinn Hughes at 22 points, 1 point behind Cale Makar. That's not the shocking part.  The shocking part is 33 games into this season, Owen Power does not have a single power-play point.  Not one.  His lack of production on the PP in part comes from being behind Dahlin and splitting remaining time with Byram.  The other factor is that the Sabre PP is awful. It is not on the players and it is certainly not on Power. Yes, he needs to find a way to better utilize his size in the D-zone, along the boards, and in front of the net, and he simply needs to become more aware on that side of the puck. But, I doubt that the rest of the NHL looks at Power and sees a defensively weak player who can't be coached to be better.  They see a kid who is an NHL top 5-10 offensive talent from the blue-line, whose ceiling has not come close to having been tapped. 

Byram?  See Power, but not quite the same level. Byram is 9th in the league for even strength points for a D-man and has 1 PP point.  His potential likewise remains largely untapped.

The issue, and this goes back to mismanagement by Adams, may simply be that having 3 left-shot D-men with similar primary skill sets is not how you build a blue-line for the NHL.  Moving one (Byram would be the obvious choice), should be an option when it comes to remaking the roster. 

 

Awesome post.   I can't understand people who want to trade away the players who are tracking to be very good , if  not elite, by the time they are 24/25 

[Carmel Corn]

3 minutes ago, Crusader1969 said:

Let's check back when Power is 24 or so. 
I would have really thought Sabres fans would learnt some type of lesson watching players improve as they mature.    
Nope. , we  have a boat load of Knuckleheads 

Sure….if you think Sabre fandom can wait another 2 years for this $hitshow to turnaround.  IMHO - changes cannot wait that long and we need to acquire (not develop) top 6 talent that is higher quality than what we already have.  
Maybe under normal circumstances, we can wait….but this situation is so bad that there isn’t enough patience in all of Erie county (and beyond) to wait and hope our talent can develop.

[Crusader1969]

6 minutes ago, Carmel Corn said:

Sure….if you think Sabre fandom can wait another 2 years for this $hitshow to turnaround.  IMHO - changes cannot wait that long and we need to acquire (not develop) top 6 talent that is higher quality than what we already have.  
Maybe under normal circumstances, we can wait….but this situation is so bad that there isn’t enough patience in all of Erie county (and beyond) to wait and hope our talent can develop.

Hate to break this to you but Sabres fandom has already left the building.   
If you are still caring if this team wins or loses , congratulations.   Turn the lights off when you leave the building 

You should really read Archie Lees post, it was excellent   Offensively Power and Byrum are already there    Need defensive responsibilities reduced  .. a partner for Power besides Jokiharju would be a good start   
Sorry if I think the idea of trading him now would be a knucklehead move 

 

[EM88]

1 minute ago, Crusader1969 said:

Hate to break this to you but Sabres fandom has already left the building.   
If you are still caring if this team wins or loses , congratulations.   Turn the lights off when you leave the building 

You should really read Archie Lees post, it was excellent   Offensively Power and Byrum are already there    Need defensive responsibilities reduced  .. a partner for Power besides Jokiharju would be a good start   
Sorry if I think the idea of trading him now would be a knucklehead move 

 

This team needs addition by addition, not addition by subtraction.

What it has been lacking is not enough addition by addition.

Dylan Cozens is the only player that I think might be addition by subtraction, but not totally. You should not give him away but get something for him.

Most of the rest of the core players, I can see your point of them needing more, and better help, not giving up on them.

[GoPuckYourself]

26 minutes ago, Crusader1969 said:

I give it 20 games before half this board hate Petterson for not hitting anyone 

Doesn't hit, not good along the boards, skilled player... Sound familiar?

[DarthEbriate]

Pettersson’s contract is very big.

Power, a lottery-protected 1st (basically 2026 1st at this point), and Rosen for Pettersson and Sherwood. 

It has to be a little bit painful for them to lose a top-6 for them. And the Sherwood is the Sabres middle-6 insurance for when they inevitably move out the veterans (Greenway and Zucker) before the trade deadline. 

But really, I’d rather have Hronek for Joker plus stuff. The type of trade Vancouver would never do. 

[freester]

1 hour ago, GoPuckYourself said:

Pettersson is to me the  opposite of what we should be looking for. Where is our Greenway who can score?

His name is Brady Tkachuk