Sabres have trade blocked prior to NHL roster freeze due to Greenway injury status??

[Big Guava]

I am not sure how to interpret this...seem as if they are saying there was a deal in place for Greenway but due to his injury status he is not able to be moved now?

Not sure why we would trade a player who actually is playing well when he plays.

https://www.hockeyfeed.com/nhl-news/sabres-have-trade-blocked-just-hours-before-nhl-roster-freeze

[LGR4GM]

2 minutes ago, Big Guava said:

I am not sure how to interpret this...seem as if they are saying there was a deal in place for Greenway but due to his injury status he is not able to be moved now?

Not sure why we would trade a player who actually is playing well when he plays.

https://www.hockeyfeed.com/nhl-news/sabres-have-trade-blocked-just-hours-before-nhl-roster-freeze

I read this as rumor mongering. If a deal had been close, they would have sat him. 

[Thorner]

Lmao sure, Kevyn 

[Kristian]

He probably hit someone, and TP got angry that he made Cozens and Power look like wimps.

Edited Friday at 10:42 PM by Kristian

[GoPuckYourself]

The only reason I can see a trade happening for Greenway is if he told management he doesn't want to be back which really sucks but I can't blame the ones that are trying at this point.

[Archie Lee]

I’m skeptical, but it would fit in with the mounting evidence of an internal cap. For the Sabres to bring in a player, money will have to go out. 

[Carmel Corn]

10 minutes ago, Archie Lee said:

I’m skeptical, but it would fit in with the mounting evidence of an internal cap. For the Sabres to bring in a player, money will have to go out. 

Why?  Are you saying the current spend is the internal cap?  

Greenway is as good as gone….he may have played his last game as a Sabre because there is 0% chance he’ll sign a new contract to stay in Buffalo.

[mjd1001]

According to the article, Tage Thompson is in play for a trade?

If he is they better get something monumental back.  He has 92 goals the last 2 or so years (176 games).  After him, the TEAM LEADERS are Tuch (at 67) and Cozens (56).  If you don't get a big time sniper back for Tage, you aren't going to have anyone to score any goals, especially because Tuch's 67 are in large part because of being on a line with Tage.

I know some people don't like his all around game, but he's scoring at almost a 50 goal pace this year, is 2nd on the team in game winning goals over the last few years. Where are you going to get someone like that for $7m per year?

The other thing that makes me doubt this article, Pegula just said something like "no changes" to the team, why would he say that if there was a deal just about ready to be worked out?

Edited Saturday at 12:05 AM by mjd1001

[Archie Lee]

1 hour ago, Carmel Corn said:

Why?  Are you saying the current spend is the internal cap?  

Greenway is as good as gone….he may have played his last game as a Sabre because there is 0% chance he’ll sign a new contract to stay in Buffalo.

I guess you are right. We could be selling before Christmas. 

[thewookie1]

2 hours ago, mjd1001 said:

According to the article, Tage Thompson is in play for a trade?

If he is they better get something monumental back.  He has 92 goals the last 2 or so years (176 games).  After him, the TEAM LEADERS are Tuch (at 67) and Cozens (56).  If you don't get a big time sniper back for Tage, you aren't going to have anyone to score any goals, especially because Tuch's 67 are in large part because of being on a line with Tage.

I know some people don't like his all around game, but he's scoring at almost a 50 goal pace this year, is 2nd on the team in game winning goals over the last few years. Where are you going to get someone like that for $7m per year?

The other thing that makes me doubt this article, Pegula just said something like "no changes" to the team, why would he say that if there was a deal just about ready to be worked out?

Good God, can we keep anyone whos good!?!

[GASabresIUFAN]

We should trade Thompson.  Who wants a player the plays hard and score goals.  That way Adams favorite can be the No1 center.

[North Buffalo]

He scores but not sure he plays that hard... only in spurts... gives up too much.

[PerreaultForever]

There was a tweet about Cozens going to Detroit too and I suspect the vultures are flying all around the carcass looking for the next Reinhart or Eichel. Rumors will fly everywhere. Probably best to ignore them all until something actually happens. 

[LTS]

4 hours ago, PerreaultForever said:

There was a tweet about Cozens going to Detroit too and I suspect the vultures are flying all around the carcass looking for the next Reinhart or Eichel. Rumors will fly everywhere. Probably best to ignore them all until something actually happens. 

From a fake Elliott Friedman account.

16 hours ago, Big Guava said:

I am not sure how to interpret this...seem as if they are saying there was a deal in place for Greenway but due to his injury status he is not able to be moved now?

Not sure why we would trade a player who actually is playing well when he plays.

https://www.hockeyfeed.com/nhl-news/sabres-have-trade-blocked-just-hours-before-nhl-roster-freeze

Being injured does not prevent a trade from occurring. However because most of the time the team wants the player they are acquiring to play immediately a trade for an injured player does not happen.

Jack Eichel is a great example of being traded while injured.

[PromoTheRobot]

4 hours ago, PerreaultForever said:

There was a tweet about Cozens going to Detroit too and I suspect the vultures are flying all around the carcass looking for the next Reinhart or Eichel. Rumors will fly everywhere. Probably best to ignore them all until something actually happens. 

I'm sure Adams can trade anyone if he's willing to take nothing of value in return.

[Pimlach]

14 hours ago, mjd1001 said:

According to the article, Tage Thompson is in play for a trade?

If he is they better get something monumental back.  He has 92 goals the last 2 or so years (176 games).  After him, the TEAM LEADERS are Tuch (at 67) and Cozens (56).  If you don't get a big time sniper back for Tage, you aren't going to have anyone to score any goals, especially because Tuch's 67 are in large part because of being on a line with Tage.

I know some people don't like his all around game, but he's scoring at almost a 50 goal pace this year, is 2nd on the team in game winning goals over the last few years. Where are you going to get someone like that for $7m per year?

The other thing that makes me doubt this article, Pegula just said something like "no changes" to the team, why would he say that if there was a deal just about ready to be worked out?

The Pegula’s also said that Boterill was doing a good job and that no changes would be made.  Remember that fans don’t know much.  

Edited Saturday at 02:28 PM by Pimlach

[mjd1001]

7 minutes ago, PromoTheRobot said:

I'm sure Adams can trade anyone if he's willing to take nothing of value in return.

Maybe that is true, but then again, it may be something that SOUNDS true but actually isn't.

Look at it this way, pretend you are one of 6-8 other teams interested in a player the sabres are willing to move. Lets just use Cozens in this example.

You are the GM of that other team, you want Cozens. You place a value on him. SURE, you might float an idea to the Sabres where you are fleecing them to see if they bite, but if they don't, you know that right away.

So next step, you inquired about Cozens because you actually WANT him.  So, in a vacuum, if it is just you and the Sabres in the league, you can hold out and say "Nope, its just the two of us, so I think you are more desperate than me so I'll wait until you give in".  

But it ISN'T just you and the Sabres. There are 30 other teams.

My point? You aren't trying to get Cozens off of the Sabres, you are TRYING to get him BEFORE any of your competitors do. You aren't competing with the Sabres, you are competing with ANY team in your division, ANY team  in your conference to get him before someone else does.

If it takes an offer with a value of "10" to get Cozens, a good GM isn't offering "4" and sitting and waiting for the Sabres to give in.  A good GM is going to offer a package worth "9", to make sure he gets that guy before a competitor does.

I don't think the Sabres not making trades are a case of other teams having no respect for the Sabres. Their initial offers maybe, but one day after those offers, it goes from you trying to get over on the Sabres to you competing with the rest of the league on offers.  If the Sabres aren't making trades, its not because they are getting junk offers from the rest of the league. Its more likely they do NOT WANT to make trades at this time.

Edited Saturday at 02:26 PM by mjd1001

[Pimlach]

Greenway and Zucker, will be gone by the deadline, traded for draft picks and/or low level prospects.  

McLeod is an RFA and will ask to move on.  Byram, same thing.  

Adams is way over his head.  
 

They destroyed my team. 

[ska-T Palmtown]

14 hours ago, mjd1001 said:

The other thing that makes me doubt this article, Pegula just said something like "no changes" to the team, why would he say that if there was a deal just about ready to be worked out?

 

17 minutes ago, Pimlach said:

The Pegula’s also said that Boterill was doing a good job and that no changes would be made.  Remember that fans don’t know much.  

Maybe he meant "no changes" before the freeze? 

[inkman]

14 hours ago, mjd1001 said:

According to the article, Tage Thompson is in play for a trade?

If he is they better get something monumental back.  He has 92 goals the last 2 or so years (176 games).  After him, the TEAM LEADERS are Tuch (at 67) and Cozens (56).  If you don't get a big time sniper back for Tage, you aren't going to have anyone to score any goals, especially because Tuch's 67 are in large part because of being on a line with Tage.

I know some people don't like his all around game, but he's scoring at almost a 50 goal pace this year, is 2nd on the team in game winning goals over the last few years. Where are you going to get someone like that for $7m per year?

The other thing that makes me doubt this article, Pegula just said something like "no changes" to the team, why would he say that if there was a deal just about ready to be worked out?

There is nothing factual in that “article”

[PerreaultForever]

5 hours ago, LTS said:

From a fake Elliott Friedman account.

Being injured does not prevent a trade from occurring. However because most of the time the team wants the player they are acquiring to play immediately a trade for an injured player does not happen.

Jack Eichel is a great example of being traded while injured.

If they make Greenway's medical reports available and he's going to be playoff ready he could be dealt. Bruins last year took Maroon when he was on IR and hadn't played in months. 

[PerreaultForever]

5 hours ago, PromoTheRobot said:

I'm sure Adams can trade anyone if he's willing to take nothing of value in return.

What I am sure of is that the return on pretty much everyone will be picks and prospects. Possibly decent hauls, but down the road stuff. 

So it would be hard to reshape the current roster but if you wanted to sell the entire store and start over, that would be one option. I wouldn't want him and Pegula to be the guys doing that though. 

[mjd1001]

1 minute ago, PerreaultForever said:

What I am sure of is that the return on pretty much everyone will be picks and prospects. Possibly decent hauls, but down the road stuff. 

So it would be hard to reshape the current roster but if you wanted to sell the entire store and start over, that would be one option. I wouldn't want him and Pegula to be the guys doing that though. 

Unless you are willing to take someone else's reclamation project/overpay for one of your own. The old "change of scenery" thing on both sides.

On the Sabres side of things the most obvious player is Cozens, but it could be any of a few others.  For other teams it could be a Pettersson, Rossi, Zegras, or even a guy like Brock Nelson.

[PerreaultForever]

Just now, mjd1001 said:

Unless you are willing to take someone else's reclamation project/overpay for one of your own. The old "change of scenery" thing on both sides.

On the Sabres side of things the most obvious player is Cozens, but it could be any of a few others.  For other teams it could be a Pettersson, Rossi, Zegras, or even a guy like Brock Nelson.

True. The Zegras rumors are real and there might be substance to the Cozens and Byram for Petterson rumor. That's not what we need though. We need leadership, we don't need to be team Sweden and Cozens for Zegras would be even less leadership not more. 

I think it's too late to trade youth for veterans though. That ship sailed in the summer. You do that now you just get guys who play out the string. The season is already over so you either do nothing (likely their plan) and dump your UFAs or you tear it all down and try again. In all likelihood the speed of any positive changes will be far too slow to make a difference any time soon. 

[PromoTheRobot]

9 minutes ago, PerreaultForever said:

What I am sure of is that the return on pretty much everyone will be picks and prospects. Possibly decent hauls, but down the road stuff. 

So it would be hard to reshape the current roster but if you wanted to sell the entire store and start over, that would be one option. I wouldn't want him and Pegula to be the guys doing that though. 

Then you're right back to where you began. Are we growing our own and being patient or do we want a quick fix, which frankly won't happen?