Would you admire the players if they are taking a knee in order to force change?

[Stoner]

What change? In ownership, in the GM spot, at coach? You make the call.

[HumanSlinky39]

Admire? No. It's not their job to force change. It's their job to go out and give 100% effort every practice, every game. They're very well compensated to do so.

What change? Well, ownership isn't changing, so strike that immediately. Everything under that needs an overhaul. The thing is, this owner needs to be out of hockey ops. We need a POHO to hire the GM who then shapes the roster and hires a coach to lead them. I realize it's a double edged sword in that TP would be the guy to hire a POHO and his track record gives no indication he would hire the right guy, but somehow they have to find one that can assemble a competent operations staff under him. 

Edited December 18, 2024 by HumanSlinky39

[Pimlach]

No. 

I admire people who do their jobs well and inspire others to do the same.  

[R_Dudley]

I voted No.

In my best DarthEbriate imitation I will say " These are not the players for playoffs you are looking for!"

Professional athletes to reach this level are supposed to want to and know how to compete. This has turned into the island of misfit players if they do not have enough pride in what they do to show up at a time like this. 

Sad with all the great draft positions over 13 plus years that the team, is this pile of dung. I have stopped caring since they don't either. 

Bu-bye Sabre slugs from hell.

[Stoner]

1 minute ago, Pimlach said:

No. 

I admire people who do their jobs well and inspire others to do the same.  

Imagine being that person practically your whole life and achieving your dream of playing in the NHL and the team's management and ownership are not only incompetent but very possibly not even trying? How do you possibly play through that?

[Pimlach]

Just now, Stoner said:

Imagine being that person practically your whole life and achieving your dream of playing in the NHL and the team's management and ownership are not only incompetent but very possibly not even trying? How do you possibly play through that?

You play your best and ask to be traded.   Like Reinhart did.  

[Stoner]

Imagine you work somewhere that attracts public interest. The White House, NASA, PornHub. Whatever. You listen to public comments and speculation, but you are on the inside and know what's really going on.

It has to be that way if you're a Sabre right now. The owner comes to talk to you and THAT was your response? Remarkable. The players are speaking.

What's really going on?

[K-9]

That would make them look like even bigger delicate waifs than they are already. 

[Scottysabres]

I'm indifferent to it honestly. Take a knee, don't take a knee, I really couldnt give a ***** about it. The only reason I voted no was because I believe it makes them look like even bigger babies.

Stop crying, start playing to change the teams fortunes is the message I'd like to see.

[JP51]

I am all for standing up for change... I have 2 problems... 

1. I am not sure that doing it during the anthem if that is what you are thinking is the right place to demand this type of change. I think the anthem is bigger than a hockey game or an individuals desire for a new team mate, coach, or GM. 

2. I think that they need to look at themselves as players and who they are before they start calling for heads. They have an opportunity to effect outcomes. I think kneeling and calling for a change of regime essentially absolves them in their minds and ultimately states we have no personal responsibility for what is taking place here and THOSE are not players we want on this team. 

I think whats more their actual pathetic efforts speak more on a day to day basis and over the past 14 years than any kneel down... if ownership cant see that kneeling isnt going to be effective even if I did agree with it. 

 

[Stoner]

It's a euphemism. Run for the bus. Lay down and die. Take a powder. OK I might be making these up.

[mjd1001]

I don't like the choices.  I would vote no, but I would'nt call them Bums.

I just don't care about that. If they do fine, I don't care. If they don't fine, I don't care.

[LabattBlue]

Absolutely not.  It is their job to go on the ice at 100% doing what the coaches are asking them to do. 

[Slack_in_MA]

1 hour ago, Stoner said:

Imagine being that person practically your whole life and achieving your dream of playing in the NHL and the team's management and ownership are not only incompetent but very possibly not even trying? How do you possibly play through that?

With your chin held high, your conscience clear, and your integrity intact.

[jad1]

 What are they trying to do, get Pegula to sell the team because they freak out every time they take a two goal lead in a game?

i can hear Cozens now, 'we thought this was going to be easy, but it's not.  Terry sell the team.'

[Mr Peabody]

Taking a knee wouldn’t be accountable.

Edited December 18, 2024 by Mr Peabody

[ASlugAbove]

I sadly think they are actually trying to win but the talent is just not good enough, and they're just too young to overcome it. 

[ska-T Palmtown]

We just need our 'Major League' moment where Ruff convinces them to win in spite of management.

[Carmel Corn]

1 hour ago, Mr Peabody said:

Taking a knee wouldn’t be accountable.

“Accountability” certainly has not happened, despite the off-season rhetoric from the team.  The question I ponder on this thread is what does a player do who WANTS to be traded off of this sinking ship?  Is it better to continue to suck as a player, thus making the asking price lower for GMKA to pull the trigger on a trade OR is it better to play like you’re a UFA and want to get a maximum payday new contract.  In the latter case, play so that more teams may want you (at the risk of the Sabres asking price going up).  

[Weave]

There isn’t a damned thing about these players I admire, and I’m not about to start.

[PerreaultForever]

No. See my post in the Nobody Has An Answer thread. 

[Thorner]

A very thought provoking question

Had to think on it for a good while. Not sure I even have the acumen to properly articulate why, but I settled on…yes  

[Stoner]

Good faith effort to build an NHL playoff team. That's the phrase I've been trying to come up with.

Has TP made that good faith effort through his management team and coaching staff?

If you land on no, why shouldn't the players feel the same way? Are they supposed to feel like miracle workers?

And if both land on no and both share the common goal of change, why not admire the tactic they possibly have chosen? Didn't anyone think the penalties were a little curious? There are many ways to throw a game.

Anyway three people agreed with me. Not bad.

Edited December 19, 2024 by Stoner

[SABRES 0311]

20 hours ago, Stoner said:

Imagine being that person practically your whole life and achieving your dream of playing in the NHL and the team's management and ownership are not only incompetent but very possibly not even trying? How do you possibly play through that?

You play through it by growing a pair and realizing life is fair. They are free to ask for trades. 

Not sure what taking a knee would do. This is a below average hockey team not some sociopolitical issue.

Edited December 19, 2024 by SABRES 0311

[Weave]

16 minutes ago, SABRES 0311 said:

You play through it by growing a pair and realizing life is fair. They are free to ask for trades. 

Not sure what taking a knee would do. This is a below average hockey team not some sociopolitical issue.

“Taking a knee” was used figuratively.  He was referring to essentially not trying out of protest or some such thing.

So, Zach Bogosian or Taylor Hall.