The Buffalo Sabres Are The NHL's Biggest JOKE (out of town point of view - Video discussion)

[Carmel Corn]

28 minutes ago, JP51 said:

Maybe it will take the focus of the National media to precipitate something... maybe the abject independant ridicule will spark something... so it cant be blamed on inpatient angry fans who are mad because we have no palm trees... maybe.... something tells me it wont...  it will be rinse, wash , repeat.

This is kind of my hope….that the team continues to lose to the point the embarrassment exceeds Pegula’s thin-skinned pain threshold and he finally acts.  I’m sorry to say I am rooting for Pegula and Adams to be ridiculed so much by international media that he eventually has to make a public appearance to explain himself.  

Edited December 18 by Carmel Corn

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I'm telling you, the NHL is going to step in. We'll only know it happened through rumours.

[mjd1001]

26 minutes ago, Thorner said:

lol they said on sportsnet Pegula picked Montreal specifically because he thought they had a decent chance to win and he wanted it to look like he initiated a turning point 

 

17 minutes ago, LGR4GM said:

Adams has received multiple "firm" offers on players and hasn't even gotten back to teams with a counter offer. 

 

If either of those 2 things have any truth to them, they are the biggest indictments of the owner and the gm I have come across this year.

Things are bad.

I have alwyas said if the team doesn't make the playoffs, oh well, they are nightly entertainment for me and I can move on..but...No, things are getting BAD.

Edited December 18 by mjd1001

[JP51]

2 minutes ago, Carmel Corn said:

This is kind of my hope….that the team continues to lose to the point the embarrassment exceeds Pegula’s thin-skinned pain threshold and he finally acts.  I’m sorry to say I am rooting for Pegula and Adams to be ridiculed so much by international media that he eventually has to make a public appearance to explain himself.  

I am for anything that gives us hope... right now the only thing we have is utter despair. 

[LTS]

16 minutes ago, Thorner said:

Says watching the games he has zero idea what they are doing structurally 

No doubt. This has been my question all season. They don't look like they understand what they should be doing. These are hockey players who have played in good systems before with good coaches. it stinks of a poorly coached team with mixed messages or they are executing what they are being told to execute and that strategy sucks.

12 minutes ago, LGR4GM said:

National media is burning the franchise to the ground. Everything from "pathetic", "disgrace", "disgusting", "lifeless", "incompetent" 

The important part is actually at the 5:25 mark of this video. Adams has received multiple "firm" offers on players and hasn't even gotten back to teams with a counter offer. He's useless and should be fired immediately, he has completely lost objectivity. Kevyn Adams cannot fix this roster and should lose his job immediately.  

 

I saw this comment as well and I think it's a bit strange. I don't have faith in Adams but at some point, if the owner stops in the locker room and says no changes are coming you have to wonder if Adams is ALLOWED to counter.  The guy has made trades he's not THAT incompetent.

There's just too many strange things going to think that Pegula isn't the infection causing this team to rot.

[LGR4GM]

Just now, LTS said:

No doubt. This has been my question all season. They don't look like they understand what they should be doing. These are hockey players who have played in good systems before with good coaches. it stinks of a poorly coached team with mixed messages or they are executing what they are being told to execute and that strategy sucks.

I saw this comment as well and I think it's a bit strange. I don't have faith in Adams but at some point, if the owner stops in the locker room and says no changes are coming you have to wonder if Adams is ALLOWED to counter.  The guy has made trades he's not THAT incompetent.

There's just too many strange things going to think that Pegula isn't the infection causing this team to rot.

If Adams is unable to make trades because Pegula will not let him, he is a failure. 

[Thorner]

4 minutes ago, mjd1001 said:

 

If either of those 2 things have any truth to them, they are the biggest indictments of the owner and the gm I have come across this year.

Things are bad.

I say if the team doesn't make the playoffs, oh well, they are nightly entertainment for me and I can move on..but...No, things are getting BAD.

Certainly by no strength of my posting, but nonetheless you seem to be starting to see what I’m trying to communicate with Adams.

Adams simply deserves to be fired. It’s not a commentary on whether he is the biggest issue, or whether it will make a difference 

it’s a commentary on the fact it would be the just result.

Edited December 18 by Thorner

[mjd1001]

1 minute ago, LTS said:

No doubt. This has been my question all season. They don't look like they understand what they should be doing. These are hockey players who have played in good systems before with good coaches. it stinks of a poorly coached team with mixed messages or they are executing what they are being told to execute and that strategy sucks.

If one wants to defend Lindy, and I'm open to that, you could say it looks like they really liked a system the played 2 years ago, where they could fly up and down the ice, not worry about playing the 'hard' part of the game, and just run and gun.

Now it looks like its the 2nd year, and 2nd coach that wants to reign that in, and they are throwing a tantrum and some players are refusing to do it...just because they don't want to.

[mjd1001]

5 minutes ago, LTS said:

No doubt. This has been my question all season. They don't look like they understand what they should be doing. These are hockey players who have played in good systems before with good coaches. it stinks of a poorly coached team with mixed messages or they are executing what they are being told to execute and that strategy sucks.

I saw this comment as well and I think it's a bit strange. I don't have faith in Adams but at some point, if the owner stops in the locker room and says no changes are coming you have to wonder if Adams is ALLOWED to counter.  The guy has made trades he's not THAT incompetent.

There's just too many strange things going to think that Pegula isn't the infection causing this team to rot.

I have argued that for a while.  If a Pegula says no changes, and Adams wants to make a deal, someone who is sensative to criticism and doesn't show up to answer to the fans when things get tough like Pegula, he would not take that too well.

Put it on Adams if you want.  This may be on him, but the owner certainly makes things even worse than they need to be.

The chances of the Sabres getting ANY different GM with experience who knows what they are doing probably slipped a little more after Pegula came in and said that.

Edited December 18 by mjd1001

[LabattBlue]

6 minutes ago, mjd1001 said:

 

If either of those 2 things have any truth to them, they are the biggest indictments of the owner and the gm I have come across this year.

Embarrassing beyond belief. 😡

[LGR4GM]

3 minutes ago, mjd1001 said:

If one wants to defend Lindy, and I'm open to that, you could say it looks like they really liked a system the played 2 years ago, where they could fly up and down the ice, not worry about playing the 'hard' part of the game, and just run and gun.

Now it looks like its the 2nd year, and 2nd coach that wants to reign that in, and they are throwing a tantrum and some players are refusing to do it...just because they don't want to.

Lindy was a mistake. Not a shot at Lindy who I like but he was not the coach for this team. He was the coach Pegula wanted because nostalgia and stupidity. 

[mjd1001]

3 minutes ago, mjd1001 said:

If one wants to defend Lindy, and I'm open to that, you could say it looks like they really liked a system the played 2 years ago, where they could fly up and down the ice, not worry about playing the 'hard' part of the game, and just run and gun.

Now it looks like its the 2nd year, and 2nd coach that wants to reign that in, and they are throwing a tantrum and some players are refusing to do it...just because they don't want to.

I get it. When I look at things though, the personal way I look at things is to start at the very top with the owner, or the very bottom with the players, and go from there.  Maybe Adams is terrible, hes making bad moves, no moves..etc.  Just like I read a sentence from right to left, I start my evaluation of a franchise from the very top to the very bottom, and I have so much trouble getting beyond how bad Pegula is to this team.

[LGR4GM]

10 minutes ago, mjd1001 said:

 

If either of those 2 things have any truth to them, they are the biggest indictments of the owner and the gm I have come across this year.

Things are bad.

I have alwyas said if the team doesn't make the playoffs, oh well, they are nightly entertainment for me and I can move on..but...No, things are getting BAD.

Seravalli is well connected. 

Side note. The Buffalo Sabres had a trade for Martin Necas on the table but Necas nixed it. That has been reported now by multiple sources around the league. This is not an excuse for Adams, when that trade failed he needed to find something else. 

[JohnC]

6 minutes ago, mjd1001 said:

 

If either of those 2 things have any truth to them, they are the biggest indictments of the owner and the gm I have come across this year.

Things are bad.

I have alwyas said if the team doesn't make the playoffs, oh well, they are nightly entertainment for me and I can move on..but...No, things are getting BAD.

What makes the situation even worse is that the GM put this franchise in such a precarious position that it has a lot less leverage to get a fair-value deal done to any interested parties. The sharks are circulating. And they are the ones who are going to get the bigger and better bite out of any proposed deal. When you are in the ring and leave yourself exposed, it shouldn't be surprised that you will come out bloodied. The time to have acted was in the offseason. The GM grossly miscalculated on what he had. 

[LTS]

4 minutes ago, LGR4GM said:

If Adams is unable to make trades because Pegula will not let him, he is a failure. 

He's not a failure because Pegula will not allow him to trade.  He's a failure for what he's done until now. I'm thinking the situation is simply Terry telling Kevyn that he can listen to a trade and bring it to the "group". He's not to take any action on his own and if he does he'll be released before the trade can be made, effectively losing his job.

I would imagine Adams would comply with that.

1 minute ago, mjd1001 said:

If one wants to defend Lindy, and I'm open to that, you could say it looks like they really liked a system the played 2 years ago, where they could fly up and down the ice, not worry about playing the 'hard' part of the game, and just run and gun.

Now it looks like its the 2nd year, and 2nd coach that wants to reign that in, and they are throwing a tantrum and some players are refusing to do it...just because they don't want to.

Could be.. I'm not defending anyone in this organization who has any responsibility for the product on the ice.  Not a chance.  They all share some portion of the blame for what is happening.

If I were a player in this organization this would be the point I would speak out to the media and simply call out the truth. I mean, can other teams blame you for taking it outside the organization at this point?  If I were a GM of another team and I heard a player start calling out GMs, owners, other players I would want that player.  Normally I would not, but this organization is such an exception at this point that everyone should be speaking out.

[LGR4GM]

3 minutes ago, LTS said:

He's not a failure because Pegula will not allow him to trade.  He's a failure for what he's done until now. I'm thinking the situation is simply Terry telling Kevyn that he can listen to a trade and bring it to the "group". He's not to take any action on his own and if he does he'll be released before the trade can be made, effectively losing his job.

I am arguing that makes Adams a failure. He has agreed to this stupid useless system that Pegula has in place and is a good little soldier. The team itself has no leaders and Adams certainly isn't a leader. Leaders know when to break rules and when to lead. If losing your job is the outcome you fear, than you are not effective because the outcome Adams should fear is missing the playoffs for the 5th year under his "leadership". 

5 minutes ago, LTS said:

 

If I were a player in this organization this would be the point I would speak out to the media and simply call out the truth. I mean, can other teams blame you for taking it outside the organization at this point?  If I were a GM of another team and I heard a player start calling out GMs, owners, other players I would want that player.  Normally I would not, but this organization is such an exception at this point that everyone should be speaking out.

This would be a from of leadership that this team does not have. There is no one willing or able to break the rules and put their ass on the line. 

[HumanSlinky39]

30 minutes ago, LGR4GM said:

National media is burning the franchise to the ground. Everything from "pathetic", "disgrace", "disgusting", "lifeless", "incompetent" 

The important part is actually at the 5:25 mark of this video. Adams has received multiple "firm" offers on players and hasn't even gotten back to teams with a counter offer. He's useless and should be fired immediately, he has completely lost objectivity. Kevyn Adams cannot fix this roster and should lose his job immediately.  

 

I've been saying that the single biggest issue with salvaging this season is Adams' tunnel vision. He's too attached to "his guys" to objectively improve the roster. The prospect clutching is preposterous. He won't break up any of this core because he brought most of them in and is stubbornly insistent that they can get the job done despite a season and a half of data that says otherwise. 

The playoffs were the stated goal this season. Yet here we are near the bottom of the league and in a death spiral. Any serious hockey organization would recognize its flaws and make moves to salvage the season. But not our Kev, he's going down with his ship. And we're all left to witness a 14th straight season (already a record) of no hockey past the second week of April. 

[LTS]

4 minutes ago, LGR4GM said:

I am arguing that makes Adams a failure. He has agreed to this stupid useless system that Pegula has in place and is a good little soldier. The team itself has no leaders and Adams certainly isn't a leader. Leaders know when to break rules and when to lead. If losing your job is the outcome you fear, than you are not effective because the outcome Adams should fear is missing the playoffs for the 5th year under his "leadership". 

This would be a from of leadership that this team does not have. There is no one willing or able to break the rules and put their ass on the line. 

I think we're aligned, but stating is slightly differently.  But yes, if the situation changed to the point that Adams was handcuffed from operating as a GM would normally operate then he would have a decision to make.  It's conceivable he had authority until the season started and the team floundered.

I would resign before being neutered and you would as well.  Adams should if that's the case. It's certainly fishy as hell if it's not the case.

As for breaking the rules, I specifically targeted players because I would not be surprised if Adams didn't have some form of NDA preventing him from speaking about these things. I've been subjected to NDAs dealing with corporate decision making and I don't think it's a stretch that Pegula would have one in place to keep his subordinates from speaking freely about how he operates the team.  If he has an NDA it's more than losing his job, it's a lawsuit he won't win unless Pegula is doing something illegal.

 

[HumanSlinky39]

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Buffalo had actually put up a decent start to their 2024 campaign, sitting above .500 at 11-9-1 in late November. Since then, however, it's been dreadful. Not only have they lost 11 straight, but they've been outscored 45-24 since their last win and have been outscored by 2+ goals in every game over the last week-plus.

The last part isn't true (lost to the Rags by 1 thanks to a too little, too late goal by Tage in the waning moments), but they've been nearly doubled up in these 11 games. They've held a lead in 7 of those games, which of course they blew. They're not just losing, they're losing ugly.

[Crusader1969]

3 hours ago, Brawndo said:

https://thescore.com/nhl/news/3114598

 

Nothing will change in terms of ownership but this is a something new from the media 

 

He must sell the team or open the cheque book and let actual hockey people make all the decisions 

until then nothing will change. 
 

Sell the Team Terry!!! Enough is enough!!!

[Crusader1969]

50 minutes ago, Carmel Corn said:

This is kind of my hope….that the team continues to lose to the point the embarrassment exceeds Pegula’s thin-skinned pain threshold and he finally acts.  I’m sorry to say I am rooting for Pegula and Adams to be ridiculed so much by international media that he eventually has to make a public appearance to explain himself.  

I came up with a great idea.  No sabres fans go to tomorrow nights game and have the barn filled with Leaf fans 

that's gotta be pretty embarrassing for Terry if that happens! 
 

 

14 minutes ago, HumanSlinky39 said:

The last part isn't true (lost to the Rags by 1 thanks to a too little, too late goal by Tage in the waning moments), but they've been nearly doubled up in these 11 games. They've held a lead in 7 of those games, which of course they blew. They're not just losing, they're losing ugly.

The unfortunate part is when Dahlin returns they will once again become an avg team.  Win some, lose some but not lose enough where the national media continues to pound on Terry 

 

 

[Flashsabre]

My God Kevyn isn’t even functioning at this point. Please step in NHL and do something here.

[HumanSlinky39]

[PerreaultForever]

So not even taking calls, that's beyond ridiculous. 

This perception isn't a new thing though. I've got friends in other fan bases and seen some other stuff over the years and no matter how bad things go for those teams (like Ottawa, Philly, Seattle etc.) there's always somebody who posts an "at least we're not Buffalo" type post at some point. 

[bunomatic]

If TP has handcuffed KA then TP is a moron. If KA doesn’t resign because he is handcuffed then he has no balls. This is getting beyond stupid. What an embarrassment.