When does Ruff quit?

[Porous Five Hole]

10 minutes ago, mjd1001 said:

I really don't have an opinion on Peca or Drury in terms of who does their job better.

I like Peca. I do not like Drury.  I'll take Peca in any role if given a choice of the two.

If Laviolette and staff are canned, I think there’s a place for Peca in Buffalo. I assume his home is still in Getzville and it is a logical fit.
However, I cannot endorse him as a head coach. The Sabres cannot have another first time head coach, regardless of Peca’s pedigree as a player, as a human, or as an assistant.  

[Pimlach]

5 hours ago, Porous Five Hole said:

On the other hand on Drury, dealing with Terry might be a walk in the park compared to Dolan. I’m not saying it is likely to happen that he comes back to Buff, but I wouldn’t completely rule it out.  
 

I don’t get the impression Peca left pissed off. He had an offer from the Sabres, but it wasn’t what he wanted. The Sabres didn’t have an open position on the bench at the time and he accepted a promotion elsewhere. The Sabres didn’t screw him (well they did in 2000, and he STILL came back to the org).
 

He’s not coaching in the NHL today without the Sabres org and Appert specifically. 

I should not have said pissed, disappointed is more like it.  

He was coaching for the Caps before he coached in Rochester, so he could have stayed there and continued his career.  Laviolette selected him based on knowing him, coaching him, and knowing his work with the Caps. 
 

[Porous Five Hole]

Just now, Pimlach said:

I should not have said pissed, disappointed is more like it.  

He was coaching for the Caps before he coached in Rochester, so he could have stayed there and continued his career.  Laviolette selected him based on knowing him, coaching him, and knowing his work with the Caps. 
 

This isn’t contradicting you in any way, but he was with the Caps in a developmental role and not with the big club regularly.  This was back when there was a taxi squad during the COVID season. I don’t know the circumstances of his exit there, perhaps ROC was just closer to home and that was appealing. You’re correct, played and won a Selke for Lavs on Long Island. 

[LGR4GM]

Are y'all not aware of the dumpster fire Drury created in NY? 

F that noise.

[Broken Ankles]

Here’s an idea.  How about we look for a qualified up and coming coach (regardless if they come from College or NHL ranks) that has absolutely nothing to do with the Sabres organization yesterday or ever.  And the same applies for the GM. There has to be another version of McBeane out there operating in an assistant capacity waiting for their chance to run a big club.  

Edited Thursday at 01:37 AM by Broken Ankles

[mjd1001]

9 minutes ago, Broken Ankles said:

Here’s an idea.  How about we look for a qualified up and coming coach (regardless if they come from College or NHL ranks) that has absolutely nothing to do with Sabres organization yesterday or ever.  And the same applies for the GM. There has to be another version of McBeane out there operating in an assistant capacity waiting for their chance to run a big club.  

Well, as long as its not from Pittsburgh or Penn State either.

We did have non-Sabres tie in guys at coach with Bylsma and Krueger and Granato (kinda) as coach.

Botts and Murray were the up and coming Beane type....as GM.

Edited Thursday at 01:32 AM by mjd1001

[Broken Ankles]

10 minutes ago, mjd1001 said:

Well, as long as its not from Pittsburgh or Penn State either.

We did have non-Sabres tie in guys at coach with Bylsma and Krueger and Granato (kinda) as coach.

Botts and Murray were the up and coming Beane type....as GM.

Botts sure - and still a defensible hire.  Didn’t work out but a good swing and miss.  Murray was already 52 and his only success was tied to his uncle giving him a job in two markets.  If Pegula would have spent a few thousand he probably could have had a private investigator confirm he was a functioning alcoholic and ixnayed the decision to hire him at all.
 

Agree on Pitt/Penn State - any affiliation is a dealbreaker.  

[Huckleberry]

Ruff is not a quitter.

[Pimlach]

On 12/17/2024 at 10:17 PM, Archie Lee said:

Ruff isn’t at fault for this in the big picture, obviously. He was a terrible choice to coach this team though. The charade of a coaching search that preceded his hiring  was perhaps the ultimate and obvious sign that this was headed in the wrong direction and fast. 

They embarrassed themselves as usual with the coaching search that wasn’t.  There were ex NHL coaches that thought they would get a call.  
 

Did you hear what Warrener said?  It implies that Ruff is the likely next GM.  I assume Adams is POHO in that scenario?  

[LGR4GM]

4 minutes ago, Pimlach said:

They embarrassed themselves as usual with the coaching search that wasn’t.  There were ex NHL coaches that thought they would get a call.  
 

Did you hear what Warrener said?  It implies that Ruff is the likely next GM.  I assume Adams is POHO in that scenario?  

[Pimlach]

12 hours ago, mjd1001 said:

Well, as long as its not from Pittsburgh or Penn State either.

We did have non-Sabres tie in guys at coach with Bylsma and Krueger and Granato (kinda) as coach.

Botts and Murray were the up and coming Beane type....as GM.

He picked Bots over Zito.  Bots was a former Sabre and Terry loved to point out he was the only player to win an NCAA championship and then some other title.   As if that experience will make him a good GM.    

He was Star struck with LaFontaine.   

Terry sets the wrong criteria for his GM hires.   Adam’s was never qualified, still isn’t, but he was a known commodity and loyal.  

[Pimlach]

7 minutes ago, LGR4GM said:

I can’t imagine it either.  I thought that hiring Ruff was Adams doing the easiest move possible, but others are pointing to Terry being the driver on it.   

[LGR4GM]

4 minutes ago, Pimlach said:

I can’t imagine it either.  I thought that hiring Ruff was Adams doing the easiest move possible, but others are pointing to Terry being the driver on it.   

It was always Terry. That was obvious when Adams was asked about the search and gave his long winded "lie" about calling and talking to all these people and really settling on Ruff as the best option. It was Terry getting all nostalgic and also thinking what would happen did happen, season ticket holders renewed. Hell when I called Adams a liar, he at the very least deliberately mislead with his answers, I was loudly called out on this board. I took a mini break because it got so bad. 

This organizational structure is exactly like the Jets. The owner is way too involved, he thinks he is the smartest person in the room, he has cut the front office back because of money and less voices to interrupt him, he's arrogant, and frankly he is a failure. I could run the Sabres better and I am some rando on the internet.

[MattPie]

16 minutes ago, LGR4GM said:

This organizational structure is exactly like the Jets. The owner is way too involved, he thinks he is the smartest person in the room, he has cut the front office back because of money and less voices to interrupt him, he's arrogant, and frankly he is a failure. I could run the Sabres better and I am some rando on the internet.

No, you're our rando on the internet. 💙

Edited Thursday at 02:35 PM by MattPie

[Pimlach]

20 minutes ago, LGR4GM said:

It was always Terry. That was obvious when Adams was asked about the search and gave his long winded "lie" about calling and talking to all these people and really settling on Ruff as the best option. It was Terry getting all nostalgic and also thinking what would happen did happen, season ticket holders renewed. Hell when I called Adams a liar, he at the very least deliberately mislead with his answers, I was loudly called out on this board. I took a mini break because it got so bad. 

This organizational structure is exactly like the Jets. The owner is way too involved, he thinks he is the smartest person in the room, he has cut the front office back because of money and less voices to interrupt him, he's arrogant, and frankly he is a failure. I could run the Sabres better and I am some rando on the internet.

I should have known it was Terry.  I thought he was Adams pick, who then had to sell Terry on hiring a guy that he (technically Darcy) fired.  

Warrener must still have solid connections, he actually held back on all that he could have said.  

When you called out Adams I was with you, I wanted a full up, all out coach search.  I expected it would take weeks, not days.   

[JohnC]

9 minutes ago, Pimlach said:

I should have known it was Terry.  I thought he was Adams pick, who then had to sell Terry on hiring a guy that he (technically Darcy) fired.  

Warrener must still have solid connections, he actually held back on all that he could have said.  

When you called out Adams I was with you, I wanted a full up, all out coach search.  I expected it would take weeks, not days.   

The process was an insulting charade. I'm not even criticizing the Ruff hiring. It would have been a reasonable hire if it came from a legitimate coaching search. If he was the selection right from the start, then just hire him. No one's being fooled. It was a shambolic hiring process in a shambolically run franchise. The lack of professionalism is evident to all. It's a stupidly run franchise. It's embarrassing. 

[xzy89c1]

On 12/17/2024 at 10:58 PM, Carmel Corn said:

Maybe they do a switch-a-roo……HC heir apparent Seth Appert becomes HC per the Pegula plan, but Lindy stays on as an assistant.  Pegula doesn’t spend any more money for a new hire, Ruff can step back and let Seth take all the heat.  Two months from now, Pegula can meet with the team and tell them he believes in Seth.

Seth Appert has won nothing at any level. He will continue to be a loser in Buffalo. 

 

4 hours ago, Pimlach said:

They embarrassed themselves as usual with the coaching search that wasn’t.  There were ex NHL coaches that thought they would get a call.  
 

Did you hear what Warrener said?  It implies that Ruff is the next GM.  I assume Adams is POHO in that scenario?  

Promoting Appert and giving a two-year contract to Ruff was the biggest indication this was not serious. Adams wants no threats around. Any competent head coach would not want to work with Adams unless they are given roster control. 

We all know Ruff is at his best, a league average coach. At this point he is below league average. I would rather have a coach who has a history of winning at lower levels. That type of coach will push harder on the little things that will make you a good team. 

 

1 hour ago, xzy89c1 said:

Promoting Appert and giving a two-year contract to Ruff was the biggest indication this was not serious. Adams wants no threats around. Any competent head coach would not want to work with Adams unless they are given roster control. 

We all know Ruff is at his best, a league average coach. At this point he is below league average. I would rather have a coach who has a history of winning at lower levels. That type of coach will push harder on the little things that will make you a good team. 

No we don't.

Opinions are welcome, this is a message board, but your case is not made by stating an opinion is a 'well known fact'.

He MAY be a league average coach. He may be above average. He may be below average, but it is not a 'well known fact', on this forum for one and by listening to interviews from people outside of Buffalo even around the league.

[jad1]

5 hours ago, LGR4GM said:

It was always Terry. That was obvious when Adams was asked about the search and gave his long winded "lie" about calling and talking to all these people and really settling on Ruff as the best option. It was Terry getting all nostalgic and also thinking what would happen did happen, season ticket holders renewed. Hell when I called Adams a liar, he at the very least deliberately mislead with his answers, I was loudly called out on this board. I took a mini break because it got so bad. 

This organizational structure is exactly like the Jets. The owner is way too involved, he thinks he is the smartest person in the room, he has cut the front office back because of money and less voices to interrupt him, he's arrogant, and frankly he is a failure. I could run the Sabres better and I am some rando on the internet.

Why do you think Adams lied about the coaching search?  I mean, what experienced coach, who as in his right mind, would agree to work under Adams? Anyone with that level of experience could clearly see that Adams was steering this ship into an iceberg.  

A phone call to these guys would last 3 minutes before they said no f'n way, especially after Adams told the candidate that he woukd have to retain Matt Ellis on the staff.  Adams could have made 10 of these calls in 2 hours.  

Ruff took this job because he still wanted to coach and nobody else was calling him, and the Sabres job was an opportunity for him to work from home.

 

[Thorner]

8 hours ago, Pimlach said:

I should have known it was Terry.  I thought he was Adams pick, who then had to sell Terry on hiring a guy that he (technically Darcy) fired.  

Warrener must still have solid connections, he actually held back on all that he could have said.  

When you called out Adams I was with you, I wanted a full up, all out coach search.  I expected it would take weeks, not days.   

The majority of the board called bs on the search, even if they liked the hire 

[Dreams Burn Down]

If the winless streak continues, he may not have to quit.  TP and KA have in Ruff a ready scapegoat, a chance to kick the can down the road for them for a bit.

[Sidc3000]

On 12/17/2024 at 8:50 PM, LGR4GM said:

I'm serious. When does he just say f it and quit?

After the season is done

[Sidc3000]

22 hours ago, LGR4GM said:

The owner is way too involved

I always hear this. What proof is there that Terry is “too involved”?  I know both Adams and Lindy say they’re on the phone with Terry daily but are? Terry is at many Bills games every season. The only time Terry is at Sabres games is when they play Florida teams. 

[Stoner]

5 hours ago, Sidc3000 said:

I always hear this. What proof is there that Terry is “too involved”?  I know both Adams and Lindy say they’re on the phone with Terry daily but are? Terry is at many Bills games every season. The only time Terry is at Sabres games is when they play Florida teams. 

Unless LR and KA wanted that speech in Montreal and told Terry what the message should be, it was massive involvement (meddling) by the owner. And a practice was canceled. I don't know what else people need to see.

[ska-T Palmtown]

19 hours ago, Thorner said:

The majority of the board called bs on the search, even if they liked the hire 

Right? it was a decent hire. Just say "When NJ let him go, I was at halfmast and told meatballs to be prepared to clear out his desk the day after the season ended."