Elliotte Friedman is reporting Pegula will meet the team in Montreal

[inkman]

20 minutes ago, darksabre said:

I hate being right.

2 minutes ago, SDS said:

Isn’t his vote of confidence usually the kiss of death?

Almost always 

[Dreams Burn Down]

Just now, mjd1001 said:

Terry Pegula has to know that word of what was said was going to get out.

Is he actually actively trying to see how upset he can get the fanbase and how little turnout they can get at the next home game?

Honestly, I think that TP and KA are birds of a feather.  As much snark and arrogance as KA shows in his press conferences, I believe that TP is similar in thought.  They most likely view the fans as out of touch and obtuse for questioning any process (no matter how laughable) that they put into practice.

[DarthEbriate]

Perhaps I can find new ways to motivate them. GM Sheevyn and Darth Pegulas the Wise should've said:

To the forwards: score 8 goals next game and I'll trade the player with the most points to Florida.

To the D-corps and goalies: get a shutout next game and I'll trade one of you to Vegas.

[SDS]

3 minutes ago, Thorner said:

I didn’t say Adams is the biggest problem. There is no debate, here.

Pegula is the biggest problem because he is the owner. 

Adams is a terrible GM, the worst in the nhl by a country mile and likely pro sports 

firing of any member of the staff would be welcome by me because something is better than nothing, if only to send a message of expectation.

i literally *do not care* if Terry is worse. You and MJD can continue the straw man argument no one is having. No one is ever gojng to agree Kevyn Adams is “actually ok” which is the true Trojan horse at play.

No. He’s awful. He should be fired. 

He’s been terrible given the constraints he has to work with. Could another GM deliver better results under the same constraints? Maybe. Maybe not. 

[mjd1001]

6 minutes ago, EM88 said:

When you say No one I would tend to disagree.

There are not a lot of us but there are more than 2 of us who think Adams is not the problem.

Give up the argument...its best not to engage the Adams "lynch mob" on this forum. They have made up there mind.

Sure, Adams hands may be tied by Pegula's spending contraints....sure he may have been hired under the condition he is not the only voice regarding the roster but just part of a 'roster construction by committee' due to Pegula's wishes....sure he may know he got the job because the last guy didn't follow enough of Terry's wishes....sure he may not, or may actually make GOOD moves if his hands were untied.

But its best not to argue that with some people....because its OBVIOUS to EVERYONE that Adams is the worst Gm in the league. There is NO WAY any of the above could actually be true because it would not support what they want to say...and we can't have THAT.   LOL.

This is how the board works. The team is bad, Someone will find out who they think is at fault. I think its a group of players. Others disagree with me.  I like to think I do not call them names or make fun of their argument/point of view that much. I will personally try to use stats...other people's opinions...to support my own opinion of what is wrong with the team.

But other posters? Nope, if you agree with them too much....if you post too much that you think someone is NOT a problem that they thin is a problem...you will get attacked, or at least your argument will get attacked with not always rational respones..but comments like the above "straw man' argument.

Edited Monday at 07:52 PM by mjd1001

[Mango]

2 minutes ago, Dreams Burn Down said:

Honestly, I think that TP and KA are birds of a feather.  As much snark and arrogance as KA shows in his press conferences, I believe that TP is similar in thought.  They most likely view the fans as out of touch and obtuse for questioning any process (no matter how laughable) that they put into practice.

I think Terry finding success in the Bills has emboldened him to a certain extent.

[Thorner]

4 minutes ago, EM88 said:

When you say No one I would tend to disagree.

There are not a lot of us but there are more than 2 of us who think Adams is not the problem.

Yep we just don’t have enough evidence to draw a conclusion on Adams in 5 years 

i Hope if we ever get a new owner Kevyn Adams is still here to get the first cool 10 year term to find guys who want to be here 

[That Aud Smell]

5 minutes ago, SDS said:

Isn’t his vote of confidence usually the kiss of death?

I honestly don't recall.

I seem to recall a message in ~January 2022 about how the team didn't need to add pieces in order to make a run. And then they did not, in fact, add anyone (of note). And they missed the playoffs by a point.

If memory serves.

[Believer]

1 hour ago, SabresVet said:

Saint Joseph can do some amazing things. 

We need Big Magic.

St. Jude is the Patron Saint of Lost Causes. 

 

[Thorner]

4 minutes ago, SDS said:

He’s been terrible given the constraints he has to work with. Could another GM deliver better results under the same constraints? Maybe. Maybe not. 

So no use trying, right 

[Mango]

4 minutes ago, SDS said:

He’s been terrible given the constraints he has to work with. Could another GM deliver better results under the same constraints? Maybe. Maybe not. 

My biggest kick back to that would be the Cozens and Power contracts. Both are looking really bad.

Sure, FO constraints by the owner. But now we have to go down the path that Terry also forced both those values. And once you go down that road I think you then have to go down the path that no actual quality GM would stay in that role very long if at all (see Botts). 
 

And now we’re right back at GMKA being really bad. 

[SDS]

1 minute ago, That Aud Smell said:

I honestly don't recall.

I seem to recall a message in ~January 2022 about how the team didn't need to add pieces in order to make a run. And then they did not, in fact, add anyone (of note). And they missed the playoffs by a point.

If memory serves.

I know there were others, but he certainly gave Botterill the two thumbs up about a week before his firing. Perhaps Phil Housley?

2 minutes ago, Thorner said:

So no use trying, right 

Nope. Didn’t say that. If the current constraints exist, it doesn’t matter to me if they try something new. The only thing we know is that the team is terrible under which the current constraints resist. I don’t know what he would’ve done differently and it doesn’t really matter. What is done is done. 

[Thorner]

14 minutes ago, EM88 said:

When you say No one I would tend to disagree.

There are not a lot of us but there are more than 2 of us who think Adams is not the problem.

I don’t care if you don’t think he’s the problem. I think my point is going over the Adams-stans heads (all 2 of them):

it’s not so black and white as to there only being 1 problem. It’s not a matter of “the” problem. Adams is A problem. Definitively. Like, if you can read all the data and not come to the conclusion he’s definitively and indisputably a problem, with all due respect I’d have to conclude one had zero idea what they were talking about and a scary inability to separate from bias 

we know he was an unqualified hire

That ends the debate. He is unqualified, that’s a fact. Even if you stubbornly stick your head in the sand and refuse to glean anything at all from 5 years, you’d be wrong: Adams is a bad GM and a bad choice for GM 

Edited Monday at 07:58 PM by Thorner

[EM88]

4 minutes ago, Thorner said:

Yep we just don’t have enough evidence to draw a conclusion on Adams in 5 years 

i Hope if we ever get a new owner Kevyn Adams is still here to get the first cool 10 year term to find guys who want to be here 

Adams was hired with a General manager title, but he was not hired as a general manager.

His job duties are that of one of a group of many in the hockey department, but also a shield for criticism that belongs to Pegula. A lap dog for Pegula. Someone to implement the fantasy hockey wishes of Terry Pegula.

I wish to see what Kevin Adams can do as an actual General manager with some autonomy. I do not believe he has had it. Judging someone as a bad GM over 5 years when he has not been allowed to operate as an actual GM over those 5 years does not cut it for me.

[Mango]

37 minutes ago, Brawndo said:

 

Terry Pegula has really cucked this entire fan base. There’s no way around standing behind Adams after he disparaged the city and the franchise. 
 

I can never look at my wife…errr my hockey team the same again. 

Edited Monday at 07:58 PM by Mango

[mjd1001]

9 minutes ago, SDS said:

He’s been terrible given the constraints he has to work with. Could another GM deliver better results under the same constraints? Maybe. Maybe not. 

Bravo.

I think those of us supporting Adams are not saying he is a great GM. He MAY be a bad GM....but in light of the above comment that I agree with, Some of us really don't know....and if the next "GM" is hired under the same conditions...we will not know either.

[PerreaultForever]

Carrot or a stick? Who knows. Who cares. Maybe he will threaten them with low flow shower heads in the dressing room. Maybe he will promise them French hookers. He's not going up there to fire anybody. He probably just had a hankering for a smoked meat bagel sandwich. 

The Petterson rumors might be real. Him and Miller apparently have serious beef so maybe that town ain't big enough for the both of them.

[SDS]

2 minutes ago, Mango said:

My biggest kick back to that would be the Cozens and Power contracts. Both are looking really bad.

Sure, FO constraints by the owner. But now we have to go down the path that Terry also forced both those values. And once you go down that road I think you then have to go down the path that no actual quality GM would stay in that role very long if at all (see Botts). 
 

And now we’re right back at GMKA being really bad. 

So, being a GM is a really ***** job. You have to make a valuations on potential where reaching that potential is out of your hands. If you don’t extend Reinhart and he walks you get roasted. If you extend Cozens and he fails you get roasted. Adams is not unique in handing out contracts to players that have failed to live up to them.

Regardless, the Sabres are not cap constrained so these are just esoteric criticisms. Those two players could be traded in a heartbeat.

[Thorner]

3 minutes ago, EM88 said:

Adams was hired with a General manager title, but he was not hired as a general manager.

His job duties are that of one of a group of many in the hockey department, but also a shield for criticism that belongs to Pegula. A lap dog for Pegula. Someone to implement the fantasy hockey wishes of Terry Pegula.

I wish to see what Kevin Adams can do as an actual General manager with some autonomy. I do not believe he has had it. Judging someone as a bad GM over 5 years when he has not been allowed to operate as an actual GM over those 5 years does not cut it for me.

So your argument is that you’d hire Kevyn Adams to be the GM of your hockey team 

Lmao get real 

Be serious for one moment. He was ridiculously unqualified 5 years ago. Has he improved in standing? 

Edited Monday at 08:00 PM by Thorner

[Flashsabre]

Translation: Pegula “I’m not spending anymore money. None. I’m not firing anyone to bring on new salaries. I’m not trading anyone and bringing in more salary. The solution has to be in this room because it’s not coming from outside this room at all.”

Edited Monday at 08:01 PM by Flashsabre

[EM88]

Maybe there actually is a big trade in the works but the Sabres think the other side is trying to squeeze them on the deal.

Letting word out that the team was told to not expect a big trade just might be the Sabres way of try send a message to the other team.

I am not sure if that kind of thing works in the NHL circles but who knows.

[Thorner]

Adams gaining traction among the fan base amidst a 10 game losing streak and pacing for 69 points

[darksabre]

17 minutes ago, inkman said:

Almost always 

Okay, it just shouldn't happen though. It's a sign that something is very very wrong.

[Thorner]

5 minutes ago, SDS said:

So, being a GM is a really ***** job. You have to make a valuations on potential where reaching that potential is out of your hands. If you don’t extend Reinhart and he walks you get roasted. If you extend Cozens and he fails you get roasted. Adams is not unique in handing out contracts to players that have failed to live up to them.

Regardless, the Sabres are not cap constrained so these are just esoteric criticisms. Those two players could be traded in a heartbeat.

He was not a qualified hire. The burden of proof is on Adams. I cannot believe I have to argue this 

your argument that “we just don’t know” includes the refusal to glean *anything* from 5 years. And also a non-valuing of the fact he wasn’t a reasonable hire from day 1

The position makes no sense! Are you seriously saying we can’t evaluate Adams AT ALL over the course of 5 years? He doesn’t have a HAND in things? Because any solitary negative mark at all is added to what he started as, unqualified. 

Edited Monday at 08:04 PM by Thorner

[DarthEbriate]

GM Sheevyn is on record as saying he has been provided all the resources he needs and does not have an internal cap because he's been saving that money for future long-term contracts.

If we take him at his word, (and we would be so very, very wrong to do so), then it is his fault for all the innumerable missteps along the way since his hiring, from never getting a starting caliber goaltender either extended (Ullmark) or who was under 38 years old (and Anderson was no longer a 1B option, he was a solid 2), not getting a veteran defensive D for Power, not addressing a gaping top-6 hole ever, waiting and overpaying for 3 seasons of Girgensons/Okposo on the 3rd line compared to their production, etc.