Cozens spot on roster - rumor

[xzy89c1]

1 hour ago, Weave said:

Yet good enough for Stanley Cup contender rosters.

They played to not get injured here (or just went on IR vacation).

they were and continued to be mediocre. Bogosian was 5 or 6th on Tampa team that was dead against the cap and he played for minimum. He was still mediocre. Hall is not a game changer. Played for 6 teams now. mediocre. More likely they were not players we thought they were. Rest of league agrees...

[Weave]

6 minutes ago, xzy89c1 said:

they were and continued to be mediocre. Bogosian was 5 or 6th on Tampa team that was dead against the cap and he played for minimum. He was still mediocre. Hall is not a game changer. Played for 6 teams now. mediocre. More likely they were not players we thought they were. Rest of league agrees...

They were bad enough here that we wanted them off the roster.  On extremely good teams they were good enough to be on the every game roster.

No, they weren’t stars elsewhere, but they were effective enough to play regularly on teams with Stanley Cup ambitions.  Hmmmm.

[PerreaultForever]

Philly badly wants a center to play with Michkov. I'm already picturing Cozens having an all star season being set up by that young magician. 

If we trade Cozens for Zegras I am probably done. 

[PerreaultForever]

4 hours ago, xzy89c1 said:

they were and continued to be mediocre. Bogosian was 5 or 6th on Tampa team that was dead against the cap and he played for minimum. He was still mediocre. Hall is not a game changer. Played for 6 teams now. mediocre. More likely they were not players we thought they were. Rest of league agrees...

Bogo's still playing on Minnesota and they don't seem to be doing too badly are they? 

The list of ex Sabres succeeding around the league is much much longer than the list of failures we were fortunate to dump. 

[GASabresIUFAN]

1 minute ago, PerreaultForever said:

Bogo's still playing on Minnesota and they don't seem to be doing too badly are they? 

The list of ex Sabres succeeding around the league is much much longer than the list of failures we were fortunate to dump. 

Bogo is a depth D.  How is that going to help this team?

[PerreaultForever]

1 minute ago, GASabresIUFAN said:

Bogo is a depth D.  How is that going to help this team?

It's not. I'm just saying he wasn't the problem here. He's a serviceable tough depth guy much like Gilbert, but you could also make an argument that he's still better than Jokiharju, Bryson or Johnson. 

[ska-T Palmtown]

27 minutes ago, PerreaultForever said:

It's not. I'm just saying he wasn't the problem here. He's a serviceable tough depth guy much like Gilbert, but you could also make an argument that he's still better than Jokiharju, Bryson or Johnson. 

This tests my memory, so I might be wrong, but the Sabres had him top-4 and he has been a bottom pairing / depth piece since leaving, right? So, another case of poor organizational depth forcing a player to slot higher than they should, resulting in that player not being "good enough" to play for the Sabres. sigh.

[PerreaultForever]

1 hour ago, ska-T Palmtown said:

This tests my memory, so I might be wrong, but the Sabres had him top-4 and he has been a bottom pairing / depth piece since leaving, right? So, another case of poor organizational depth forcing a player to slot higher than they should, resulting in that player not being "good enough" to play for the Sabres. sigh.

Well he went to better teams and so he went down the depth chart on them. Our D was pretty thin so he was higher until things went south. 

There was a stretch where Dahlin was struggling and then had much better moments paired with Bogo. That lasted a short while and should have told them right there that Dahlin would be best served with a big tough D partner but they wanted puck movers instead. 

The better question might be why did Montour suck so bad here (close to his home town) and then get good when he left? One thing for certain is that JBot still really loves that guy as Seattle opened the vault for him. 

[Weave]

Watching Dylan Cozens interviews on youtube it strikes me just how shellshocked he looks.  He is so not ready for the stress of playoff expectations.  No doubt in my mind he is gripping his stick way too tight. He reminds me of folks in my work career who were thrown into situations they weren’t ready for.

This team needs a serious influx of players that have been there and know how to get it done.

Edited December 11 by Weave

[thewookie1]

2 hours ago, PerreaultForever said:

Well he went to better teams and so he went down the depth chart on them. Our D was pretty thin so he was higher until things went south. 

There was a stretch where Dahlin was struggling and then had much better moments paired with Bogo. That lasted a short while and should have told them right there that Dahlin would be best served with a big tough D partner but they wanted puck movers instead. 

The better question might be why did Montour suck so bad here (close to his home town) and then get good when he left? One thing for certain is that JBot still really loves that guy as Seattle opened the vault for him. 

Krueger's system killed Montour here as it effectively neutered puck moving defensemen from doing anything akin to their specialty. Montour, like Dahlin, isn't a pure offensive defenseman but all players need the ability to gain confidence to play their game. Dahlin and Montour were both more or less prevented from playing naturally thus their confidence tanked and overall play fell apart.  

[PerreaultForever]

2 hours ago, thewookie1 said:

Krueger's system killed Montour here as it effectively neutered puck moving defensemen from doing anything akin to their specialty. Montour, like Dahlin, isn't a pure offensive defenseman but all players need the ability to gain confidence to play their game. Dahlin and Montour were both more or less prevented from playing naturally thus their confidence tanked and overall play fell apart.  

Well you can blame Kreuger but I would suggest what you needed was pairing them with defensive guys. You don't need 2 puck moving D men on at once, just one, and another guy to protect the net area and support that puck mover when he f's up. Montour didn't have that in Anaheim either. When he got to Florida he did. 

[SwampD]

On 12/9/2024 at 4:35 PM, Weave said:

I wonder if Colorado would trade Mitts for him?  
 

Dave Grohl is awesome.

[gilbert11]

On 12/9/2024 at 1:20 PM, EM88 said:

I do not care what he does elsewhere if he isn't doing it here.

So what if he scored 30 goals on a different team?  If he is quitting on plays here, playing terrible defense, and not scoring for you, you don't keep a player sucking up cap space and not helping you just so he doesn't play better someplace else.

I do not want to wait a half season, a full season or multiple seasons to see if he can get better again.  If you can get something of value back in return, and while doing so remove what has been a negative player so far this year from your roster. Do it.

Then place a big bet on the team he’s traded to to win the Stanley Cup the following year.  😉

[Carmel Corn]

At $7 million on a long-term deal, Cozens isn’t going anywhere unless it is for an aging vet on a bad contract.  That said, I question whether he has put in the work in the off-season to get bigger and stronger.  His body still looks skinny and maybe cheapskate Pegula doesn’t want to pay for a legit strength and conditioning coach.  The so-called Workhorse from Whitehorse looks like an anemic lazy mule with hands of stone and afraid to act like a man.

[inkman]

3 minutes ago, Carmel Corn said:

At $7 million on a long-term deal, Cozens isn’t going anywhere unless it is for an aging vet on a bad contract.  That said, I question whether he has put in the work in the off-season to get bigger and stronger.  His body still looks skinny and maybe cheapskate Pegula doesn’t want to pay for a legit strength and conditioning coach.  The so-called Workhorse from Whitehorse looks like an anemic lazy mule with hands of stone and afraid to act like a man.

Now we are blaming the owner for player fitness.  At some point professional men need to be treated as such.  Eating right and working out are Dylan’s responsibility.  Some guys just aren’t going to bulk up.  Unfortunately, it looks like the Sabres drafted a team of skinny bois.  Hockey players are usually pretty thin but we’ve got the cream of the skinny crop.  Team Skinny.  

[JohnC]

23 minutes ago, Carmel Corn said:

At $7 million on a long-term deal, Cozens isn’t going anywhere unless it is for an aging vet on a bad contract.  That said, I question whether he has put in the work in the off-season to get bigger and stronger.  His body still looks skinny and maybe cheapskate Pegula doesn’t want to pay for a legit strength and conditioning coach.  The so-called Workhorse from Whitehorse looks like an anemic lazy mule with hands of stone and afraid to act like a man.

Why do you say that Cozens isn't fit because of his less than stellar offseason workouts? What are you basing that view on? 

[Archie Lee]

23 minutes ago, inkman said:

Now we are blaming the owner for player fitness.  At some point professional men need to be treated as such.  Eating right and working out are Dylan’s responsibility.  Some guys just aren’t going to bulk up.  Unfortunately, it looks like the Sabres drafted a team of skinny bois.  Hockey players are usually pretty thin but we’ve got the cream of the skinny crop.  Team Skinny.  

Now we are drawing conclusions re: player fitness and off-season training based on somebody thinking Cozens looks skinny. 

[Archie Lee]

9 hours ago, PerreaultForever said:

Well you can blame Kreuger but I would suggest what you needed was pairing them with defensive guys. You don't need 2 puck moving D men on at once, just one, and another guy to protect the net area and support that puck mover when he f's up. Montour didn't have that in Anaheim either. When he got to Florida he did. 

I think it is both. This is all largely attributable to there being no apparent synergy between what the GM is doing with player acquisitions and what the coaches are doing with those players.  Botterill brings in puck-moving D and signs Skinner to a big contract and then hires a coach whose system has little use for such players. Adams trades Mittelstadt for another puck-moving D and then hires a coach whose defensive system is too complex for our remaining top 2 centres (for what it’s worth, I’m not sure Mittelstadt would be better in this system). These are just two examples. 

[inkman]

7 minutes ago, Archie Lee said:

Now we are drawing conclusions re: player fitness and off-season training based on somebody thinking Cozens looks skinny. 

Eh I’m not leading the charge on Dylan looks skinny (he does), but rather gleaning the consensus opinion of the young man. 

[Archie Lee]

Just now, inkman said:

Eh I’m not leading the charge on Dylan looks skinny (he does), but rather gleaning the consensus opinion of the young man. 

Having a slender body type does not equal poor off-season work habits.  

[Pimlach]

13 hours ago, Weave said:

Watching Dylan Cozens interviews on youtube it strikes me just how shellshocked he looks.  He is so not ready for the stress of playoff expectations.  No doubt in my mind he is gripping his stick way too tight. He reminds me of folks in my work career who were thrown into situations they weren’t ready for.

This team needs a serious influx of players that have been there and know how to get it done.

And he was picked as an Alternate Captain.   Crazy.  

[EM88]

I'm not worried about his body type or his offseason training habits to get bigger and stronger.  His shooting accuracy, ability to make his line-mates better and him playing a smarter game than a typical high school hockey player are the issues I want to see him get better at.  Some of those he never has been good at, others he had one good year of.

[inkman]

22 minutes ago, Archie Lee said:

Having a slender body type does not equal poor off-season work habits.  

Nope. It just gets you treated like a bitch on the ice. 

[Pimlach]

The existence of this thread makes Cozens the scapegoat of the season. 

I stand by my thought that he is not playing at a 2C level for the team, but he is not the only big problem either.  They are asking more of him than he can give, its clear.  Just play him down one line and let him get going.  

I fear that another woeful move from the Sabres woeful GM that will ship him out, and inevitably he will flourish somewhere else.  

Edited December 11 by Pimlach

[DarthEbriate]

36 minutes ago, Pimlach said:

The existence of this thread makes Cozens the scapegoat of the season. 

I stand by my thought that he is not playing at a 2C level for the team, but he is not the only big problem either.  They are asking more of him than he can give, its clear.  Just play him down one line and let him get going.  

I fear that another woeful move from the Sabres woeful GM that will ship him out, and inevitably he will flourish somewhere else.  

Precisely. He needs time to sort it out. Put him on the 3rd line as a winger for 10-20 games. Let him simplify and recalibrate. Move him from PP1 to PP2, or off the powerplay entirely. Just like any other organization would do. McLeod becomes the 2C for a bit. (If only they'd had a mid-cost 2C on the team... or at least picked one up in the offseason with all that extra Skinner-cash.)

The issue remains that Quinn and JJP need the exact same treatment at the moment.