Cozens spot on roster - rumor

[shrader]

I don’t want anyone getting traded unless it’s a new person making the trades. 

[Indabuff]

2 hours ago, LabattBlue said:

The question is, what does the return look like?

[Scottysabres]

4 minutes ago, Indabuff said:

I like that bag, it's such a nice bag.

Edited December 9 by Scottysabres

[Pimlach]

No comment until I see the return.  

[Big Guava]

3 hours ago, EM88 said:

I beg to disagree.

Someone just posted a picture where it looks like he quit on a goal the other day.  A picture granted.

MJD1001 posts frequent breakdowns and videos in GDT's that shows he quits on quite a few plays, is late coming back, and with just a tiny bit more hustle could break up what were actual goals against.

He quits on very few plays is narrative on Cozens that I am not sure how it was started, but watching him live at a game and seeing replays of goals when he is on the ice does not support.

Lindy Ruff went off on him and Thompson and said if they don't get back on D they can't play center on this team because they have a lot of responsibility in this system other than scoring goals.

Said he has told them he can move them to wing if they want and they aren't comfortable with doing what is being asked and they both said no they want to stay at center.

 But he said after a month of being told and shown what they need to be doing in situations and they still aren't doing it, then they may not give him much choice soon.

 

[Crusader1969]

3 hours ago, CallawaySabres said:

None of these guys want to be on this team anymore, especially Dahlin. That is the vicious circle of this crap organization. All the good players want out and all we ever get back is crap in return.

I honestly don't think this team will ever be good again as long as they play in this city, with this owner. Players have given up, fans have given up, and every single year they miss the playoffs, the city cares less and less about them. By the time they move, this team will be an afterthought. That is honestly how far this organization has fallen, just a shame. 

Dahlin doesn't want to be in Buffalo?   This is news.  How did you come to this conclusion? 

[inkman]

20 minutes ago, Crusader1969 said:

Dahlin doesn't want to be in Buffalo?   This is news.  How did you come to this conclusion? 

>looks outside no palm trees, only taxes<

[bunomatic]

4 hours ago, CallawaySabres said:

None of these guys want to be on this team anymore, especially Dahlin. That is the vicious circle of this crap organization. All the good players want out and all we ever get back is crap in return.

I honestly don't think this team will ever be good again as long as they play in this city, with this owner. Players have given up, fans have given up, and every single year they miss the playoffs, the city cares less and less about them. By the time they move, this team will be an afterthought. That is honestly how far this organization has fallen, just a shame. 

Unfortunately I have to agree. TP has destroyed my team. Its a death of a thousand cuts. I don’t know a single person who takes them seriously. Many here do but really, if I wear Sabres gear, I take an aweful ribbing lol. They are an afterthought and its all on TP. The dirty rat.

[shrader]

@mjd1001, disagree all you want. If they trade Cozens, that would be a reset. Adams should not be a part of any reset. 

[mjd1001]

11 minutes ago, shrader said:

@mjd1001, disagree all you want. If they trade Cozens, that would be a reset. Adams should not be a part of any reset. 

Trading Cozen is not a reset.  Trading cozens might make the team better.  You can trade him, make the current team better and go on.

Why you are saying trading one guy, who has underperformed for 1.5 years, and has been a net negative to your team this year....how does that mean its a reset? To me its almost the opposite.

You would be purging someone to create a spot for hopefully someone better to step into.  I'm not quite sure what Cozens as a player alone would be worth, but unless he really catches fire (and then you would likely not trade him, but that hasn't happened) I question how much of a return Adams or ANY GM would get for him with that long term, $7m contract. 

I think it might be a lot less than many think it would be.

Edited December 10 by mjd1001

[mjd1001]

29 minutes ago, bunomatic said:

Unfortunately I have to agree. TP has destroyed my team. Its a death of a thousand cuts. I don’t know a single person who takes them seriously. Many here do but really, if I wear Sabres gear, I take an aweful ribbing lol. They are an afterthought and its all on TP. The dirty rat.

I bought the old 'slug logo' jersey years ago when it was discontinued for something absurd like $9 (no name on it).  I wear it every once in a while and I kinda feel like its the most appropriate jersey to represent them right now.

[EM88]

13 minutes ago, shrader said:

@mjd1001, disagree all you want. If they trade Cozens, that would be a reset. Adams should not be a part of any reset. 

I disagree also, but probably for a different reason.

Adams may as well make the trade if it is there. Because to me it is not Adams that is the issue. It is this entire front office under Pegula.

If Adams were fired and someone was promoted from within, I do not think you get much difference than Adams.

If a new GM from the outside were brought in but was left with much, or any of the staff below him such as Karmanos, Forton, and the others and Pegula wants them to continue to all have input, you don't get much difference than Adams.

The only way you can get what you are looking for is if Adams is gone, those guys under him are gone, and Pegula allows a restructure of the way the department is run including excusing/excluding his own involvement to its current degree.

If Pegula is willing to fire the entire hockey dept and remove himself from those regular meetings fine.  If that does not happen then you may as well let Adams keep taking shots at things because nothing else would be different otherwise.

[Carmel Corn]

28 minutes ago, EM88 said:

I disagree also, but probably for a different reason.

Adams may as well make the trade if it is there. Because to me it is not Adams that is the issue. It is this entire front office under Pegula.

If Adams were fired and someone was promoted from within, I do not think you get much difference than Adams.

If a new GM from the outside were brought in but was left with much, or any of the staff below him such as Karmanos, Forton, and the others and Pegula wants them to continue to all have input, you don't get much difference than Adams.

The only way you can get what you are looking for is if Adams is gone, those guys under him are gone, and Pegula allows a restructure of the way the department is run including excusing/excluding his own involvement to its current degree.

If Pegula is willing to fire the entire hockey dept and remove himself from those regular meetings fine.  If that does not happen then you may as well let Adams keep taking shots at things because nothing else would be different otherwise.

And the chance of any of firings taking place is……………palm trees growing in Buffalo?

[JP51]

Please for the love of God do not give Adams the power to trade anyone he is an incompetent disaster 

[mjd1001]

13 minutes ago, JP51 said:

Please for the love of God do not give Adams the power to trade anyone he is an incompetent disaster 

And who do you want to give that power to?

Forton? Karmanos? Guys who are currently instrumental in putting together the current roster and probably have almost as much input as Adams?

A new hire from the outside that Terry tells he has to have those same guys underneath him and likely get the same input?

Adams not being allowed to make trades. Adams getting fired. MEANS NOTHING unless the entire front office/hockey department is fired also, AND is replaced with all new guys outside of the organization, AND/OR Pegula changes the structure of how the hockey department is run.

If Pegula announces tomorrow that Adams was fired and someone is promoted from within, OR a new guy is brought in but most of the rest of the hockey department stays, that is a worse day than today, because that would be Terry's way of doing the minimum required to appease the fanbase while the team would still be run pretty much the same way.

28 minutes ago, Carmel Corn said:

And the chance of any of firings taking place is……………palm trees growing in Buffalo?

Doesn't the old Hyatt downtown (or maybe its another hotel I am mistaking for it) have live Palm trees growing in the Atrium, right here in the city limits of Buffalo?

Maybe the Sabres need to plant some in the lobby of the hotel in Harborcenter and bring free agents there when trying to pitch them on coming here.

[EM88]

20 minutes ago, JP51 said:

Please for the love of God do not give Adams the power to trade anyone he is an incompetent disaster 

I would disagree.  Some, I could say several of the moves he has made have been decent. He has some good ones, he has some bad ones, he has some where he had to take the best offer because of the position he was in. For example, You can not pay Reinhart or Mitts when the owner does not want to open the purse so you have to take the best offer.

It seems to me that much of the criticism Adams receives that is justified is not that all of his moves are a disaster, but rather he does not make enough moves or that he takes too long to make them.

Any trade he does make, that would remedy the above.

[Archie Lee]

41 minutes ago, mjd1001 said:

 

Adams getting fired. MEANS NOTHING unless the entire front office/hockey department is fired also, AND is replaced with all new guys outside of the organization, AND/OR Pegula changes the structure of how the hockey department is run.

If Pegula announces tomorrow that Adams was fired and someone is promoted from within, OR a new guy is brought in but most of the rest of the hockey department stays, that is a worse day than today, because that would be Terry's way of doing the minimum required to appease the fanbase while the team would still be run pretty much the same way.

I think the quoted portion of your post is wrong and likely very wrong. An assistant GM is not unlike an assistant coach. You are there to help the GM or head coach fulfill their vision. You don’t have to be a yes-man with no opinion to fill such roles, but you are there to serve the person who hired you. I’m not saying Karmanos would fair better, but there is no reason to assume he would not make different moves and decisions than Adams. 

[mjd1001]

33 minutes ago, Archie Lee said:

I think the quoted portion of your post is wrong and likely very wrong. An assistant GM is not unlike an assistant coach. You are there to help the GM or head coach fulfill their vision. You don’t have to be a yes-man with no opinion to fill such roles, but you are there to serve the person who hired you. I’m not saying Karmanos would fair better, but there is no reason to assume he would not make different moves and decisions than Adams. 

Just as there is no reason to assume that Adams might not do much better without Pegula at his side, with Pegula allowing the purse strings to be open up more than they obvoiusly have been through most of his tenure.

[Second Line Center]

This team will be in Houston or Oklahoma City soon.  
 

Attendance will plummet.  The NHL will intervene.  Nothing would make Toronto happier.  

[JP51]

8 hours ago, mjd1001 said:

And who do you want to give that power to?

Forton? Karmanos? Guys who are currently instrumental in putting together the current roster and probably have almost as much input as Adams?

A new hire from the outside that Terry tells he has to have those same guys underneath him and likely get the same input?

Adams not being allowed to make trades. Adams getting fired. MEANS NOTHING unless the entire front office/hockey department is fired also, AND is replaced with all new guys outside of the organization, AND/OR Pegula changes the structure of how the hockey department is run.

If Pegula announces tomorrow that Adams was fired and someone is promoted from within, OR a new guy is brought in but most of the rest of the hockey department stays, that is a worse day than today, because that would be Terry's way of doing the minimum required to appease the fanbase while the team would still be run pretty much the same way.

Doesn't the old Hyatt downtown (or maybe its another hotel I am mistaking for it) have live Palm trees growing in the Atrium, right here in the city limits of Buffalo?

Maybe the Sabres need to plant some in the lobby of the hotel in Harborcenter and bring free agents there when trying to pitch them on coming here.

Oh I think we are on the same page... Adams is the lightning rod because he presides over this  mess... I mean factually Pegula is the ultimate lightning rod because he presides over the entire organization.  I am for a complete house cleaning of the FO... (I am fine at this point if Ruff stays) my point is I don't want anyone internally in this organization doing anything with anybody. I want to see ultimately Pegual sell the team to someone who will keep it here (no guarantee on that) or cede control to a competent Team President  and GM and gut the FO let them hire their people and assess the talent. To me this year is a waste and trading from a position of desperation is never good. So we are not so far apart. Now ask me if I think that will happen... lol not really I think we will get more of the same trash 

Edited December 10 by JP51

[Archie Lee]

7 hours ago, mjd1001 said:

Just as there is no reason to assume that Adams might not do much better without Pegula at his side, with Pegula allowing the purse strings to be open up more than they obvoiusly have been through most of his tenure.

Granato was on Krueger’s staff. As an assistant to Krueger his role was to help install Krueger’s system and assist in seeing through Krueger’s vision of how the team would play.  When Granato took over, he changed the approach from a defence first approach to a much more aggressive offensive system. There is no contradiction in that. 

The same could apply to the GM and assistant GM roles. Again, I am not saying that it would certainly be different if Karmanos took over as GM. But I am near certain there are people in the Sabres’ front office who are looking at this mess and considering what they would do differently. That’s normal. I’m not advocating for Karmanos. I just don’t think it is correct to assume that the entire front office is wholly in lockstep on their views of how to dig out of this mess. Heck, Karmanos might look at things and think the first thing he needs to do is make a trade for a veteran player to give people confidence that the days of sitting on our hands are over. That in itself would be a change. 

[Big Guava]

Rumor has it...

Rumor has it...

Rumor has it...

Your the one he's leaving me for...

[LabattBlue]

16 hours ago, CallawaySabres said:

None of these guys want to be on this team anymore, especially Dahlin. That is the vicious circle of this crap organization. All the good players want out and all we ever get back is crap in return.

I honestly don't think this team will ever be good again as long as they play in this city, with this owner. Players have given up, fans have given up, and every single year they miss the playoffs, the city cares less and less about them. By the time they move, this team will be an afterthought. That is honestly how far this organization has fallen, just a shame. 

As a fan since the beginning, this is so sad, but so true. 😞

[xzy89c1]

16 hours ago, Weave said:

Oof.  The Zach Bogosian, Taylor Hall approach.

both of them continued to be mediocre after leaving. was their plan to play poorly and then turn it up on a different team? They continued to be mediocre.

[Weave]

2 minutes ago, xzy89c1 said:

both of them continued to be mediocre after leaving. was their plan to play poorly and then turn it up on a different team? They continued to be mediocre.

Yet good enough for Stanley Cup contender rosters.

They played to not get injured here (or just went on IR vacation).