Cozens spot on roster - rumor

[Dreams Burn Down]

1 minute ago, Brawndo said:

 

[HumanSlinky39]

14 minutes ago, Brawndo said:

 

Nashville has nothing worth a ***** to offer. A roster full of aging/underperforming veterans and JAG's. 

[DarthEbriate]

9 minutes ago, HumanSlinky39 said:

Nashville has nothing worth a ***** to offer. A roster full of aging/underperforming veterans and JAG's. 

But a future-focused draft-and-develop team that doesn’t have access to palm trees would love to acquire some draft picks. 

[HumanSlinky39]

Just now, DarthEbriate said:

But a future-focused draft-and-develop team that doesn’t have access to palm trees would love to acquire some draft picks. 

If they start trading guys for more picks, I'm packing it in lol

[Huckleberry]

On 12/9/2024 at 10:22 PM, LabattBlue said:

The question is, what does the return look like?

Top 4 LHD 🙂

[LTS]

1 hour ago, Flashsabre said:

 

Let me get this right.. if this were to happen, as it stands... it would be:

Trade Mittlestadt for Byram, then trade Byram and Cozens for Pettersson? Friedman must be taking some good stuff to think those ideas..

If that were to happen I would immediately cease all association with the Sabres. If I were Pegula and got wind of that Adams would be on the street faster than you can say Elliott Loudermilk. (please let me know someone gets it).

 

Edited December 16 by LTS
elimination of the double quote

[Archie Lee]

41 minutes ago, EM88 said:

Pettersson is much better player than Cozens, but his production is way, way down and he cost a lot of money.

He played 62 games last year before signing. In those 62 games he had 29 goals and 46 assists.

After signing, including the playoffs until now he also has played 62 games.  14 goals and 32 assists.  It is not only that, he currently has 2 goals in his last 12 games. You cannot afford that slump in production from a guy in his prime late-20s who is making that much money.

He is a big chance at $11.6m until his mid 30's. Right now he is giving them Casey Mittlestadt like production at double the price.

As much as I think Cozens hurts this team, I am not sure you trade him for a player who is producing only slightly better but is getting paid so much.  

If that trade was there, I would do it. I like Bryams game quite a bit, but I would still do it, providing you get a D-man back from Vancouver that is a decent, NHL level guy.

Cozens off this team with Pettersson centering Benson and Quinn or Peterka? That is interesting.

I would say there is a next to zero chance we would put Pettersson with two underachieving youngsters.  If we make that trade, Pettersson will be given linemates who give him a chance to be successful.  It will likely be at least one of Tuch or Thompson (moved to the wing), or Zucker at the very least. Pettersson's most common 5v5 linemates this year are Debrusk, Sherwood, Boeser, and Garland; average age 27.  Cozens gets Quinn, Benson, Kulich and Krebs; average age 21.  

[JohnC]

Put Cozens on the wing where he belongs and get an authentic 2C for his line. We had Mitts and he was dealt. When you dig a hole you can't forget to go back and fill the hole. Bad judgments lead to bad consequences. The problem wasn't in dealing Mitts as it was in not having a reasonable backup play to fill the vacancy.  We have one dimensional thinkers attempting to play a 3-dimensional game. Even Forest Gump knows that!

[JustOutsideChicago]

How could ownership allow this clownshow front office to trade anyone? 

[EM88]

44 minutes ago, Archie Lee said:

I would say there is a next to zero chance we would put Pettersson with two underachieving youngsters.  If we make that trade, Pettersson will be given linemates who give him a chance to be successful.  It will likely be at least one of Tuch or Thompson (moved to the wing), or Zucker at the very least. Pettersson's most common 5v5 linemates this year are Debrusk, Sherwood, Boeser, and Garland; average age 27.  Cozens gets Quinn, Benson, Kulich and Krebs; average age 21.  

The issue is not so much who gets Pettersson going. Rather who can Pettersson help to get going.

He is already 26. He has 436 regular season games and 30 playoff games. He has 438 regular season points.  This is his 7th full season in the NHL.  He would instantly become the most experienced/successful center on this team. If you are going to team anyone with the young wingers, he is the most qualified to do so.

[Jorcus]

16 minutes ago, EM88 said:

The issue is not so much who gets Pettersson going. Rather who can Pettersson help to get going.

He is already 26. He has 436 regular season games and 30 playoff games. He has 438 regular season points.  This is his 7th full season in the NHL.  He would instantly become the most experienced/successful center on this team. If you are going to team anyone with the young wingers, he is the most qualified to do so.

 

It's an interesting Idea and one of the few trades that could actually happen. If Vancouver is going to move him they have to do it this year because the No Movement Clause kicks in next year. We would inherit that along with the 11.5 M salary for 7 more years. I don't think we would fork over Cozens and Byram. Cozens plus might make more sense because of the salary exchange.  

[PerreaultForever]

3 minutes ago, Jorcus said:

 

It's an interesting Idea and one of the few trades that could actually happen. If Vancouver is going to move him they have to do it this year because the No Movement Clause kicks in next year. We would inherit that along with the 11.5 M salary for 7 more years. I don't think we would fork over Cozens and Byram. Cozens plus might make more sense because of the salary exchange.  

Well Dylan can relax now, Pegula said no big trades coming. All is well. 

[Flashsabre]

 

[Rasmus_]

5 hours ago, Flashsabre said:

 

I mead a shake up might be needed, but trading when our center depth isn't exactly stellar, isn't the greatest idea.  I suppose it would depend on the return.  However, a penny on the dollar exchange for a change of scenary isn't going to cut it for Dylan.

[SABRES 0311]

9 hours ago, HumanSlinky39 said:

Nashville has nothing worth a ***** to offer. A roster full of aging/underperforming veterans and JAG's. 

So just like the Sabres but older.

[sabremike]

Cozens last night be like:

[Doohicksie]

On 12/13/2024 at 8:11 AM, Phil Goyette said:

Lindy has to have more time to implement his vision for the team.

He's had plenty of time to implement his plan.  In fact early in the season the team seemed to have a better handle on Lindy's system than they do now.

[mjd1001]

10 hours ago, Rasmus_ said:

I mead a shake up might be needed, but trading when our center depth isn't exactly stellar, isn't the greatest idea.  I suppose it would depend on the return.  However, a penny on the dollar exchange for a change of scenary isn't going to cut it for Dylan.

If they don't want to trade Cozens because They don't have center depth behind him, That's a bad reason. If he is playing bad... And hurting the team... Even someone who comes up behind him... Isn't going to be much worse. I think that's the point. Of course it depends on who you get for him. Do you take a slight step back at center but bring in something else that helps you just as much or more?

McLeod, Krebs, Kulich splitting up the ice time that Cozens used to have at Center...you MIGHT be losing 10 goals through the course of the year (MAYBE), but you are getting much better and more discipline play without the puck. That might be an even trade off right now, and as Kulich or Helenius develops, it might be a net positive regardless of the return for Cozens.

As far as him having success someplace else? I don't mind if he does.

If you trade him and he goes on to score 35 or 40 goals, that doesn't mean if you kept him here he was going to do the same here. 

The change of scenery actually may help. In his head, No matter How bad things get here, He may just have it in his head that he's going to keep on doing what he's doing, playing the way he is playing, and if it doesn't work he's going to keep on doing what he's doing the same way but even harder.... digging a deeper hole for himself. 

I'm sure he realizes he could get traded but maybe if that trade occurs it will be something that he says to himself... "I knew I could have been traded but I never expected it. Wow, this is a shock."

That may be a shock to his entire life style that causes him to reevaluate how he does things, including hockey, that will never happen here. 

He could put on another uniform and have an entirely different set of guys in the locker room and different people on his line. You put him on a line with two veteran guys, and they make it known "Kid you're the new guy, the way you played in Buffalo isn't going to work here with us"  It may be the only thing that causes him to rain back his freelancing on the ice. 

That isn't happening here, who is going to say that to him where he is going to take it seriously. Here HE is one of the longest tenured guys on the team. HE is the guy who scored 30 a few years ago. HE is the top 10 pick. HE has the "A"  HE is one of the owners favorites. HE got the big, secure, long term deal. What reason is there for him to acknowledge any other teammate as an "Alpha" in the room more than he is that he has to listen to?  Heck, he even knows he is likely to outlast any coach, and maybe a GM or two.

If he goes to another team he just might hear: "stop freelancing without the puck" Or "This isn't pond hockey" They might tell him "you hung your D-men out to dry and that guy is going to talk to you after the game in the room about it"..even a winger saying "I was wide open with an empty net,  next time look up before you shoot the puck yourself where it goes 2 feet wide."

If he can change his style of play, it's not likely to happen here. He has to be removed as part of the leadership group. He has to be just another guy on a team who has to earn his way to a higher level. That likely can't happen here anymore, because he was given his deal, his ice time, his letter...ALL before he developed a well rounded game.

 

Edited December 17 by mjd1001

[mjd1001]

32 minutes ago, Doohicksie said:

He's had plenty of time to implement his plan.  In fact early in the season the team seemed to have a better handle on Lindy's system than they do now.

Lindy has had enough time to implement his system with MOST teams.

This Roster, they just don't seem to want to listen to, or play, any system besides doing what they want to do.

[Doohicksie]

But earlier in the season they *did* seem to understand his system.  What happened?

Edited December 17 by Doohicksie

[thewookie1]

54 minutes ago, Doohicksie said:

But earlier in the season they *did* seem to understand his system.  What happened?

1 part malaise, 1 part youth/inexperience, 1 part Dahlin being hurt, and 1 part not fitting the system or not trying to fit in

 

 

[mjd1001]

54 minutes ago, thewookie1 said:

1 part malaise, 1 part youth/inexperience, 1 part Dahlin being hurt, and 1 part not fitting the system or not trying to fit in

 

 

At this point Dahlin being hurt may be a bigger part of it than we think.

Up until the moment he got hurt, they sabres were handily winning a game on and on their way to a 12-11-2 record, 26 points in 25 games. a .520 point percentage. As "not stellar" as that is, right now it would have them with 32 points and tied for the last playoff spot.

Since Dahlin got hurt, they tragically messed up that game, and lost 6 more in a row. Of the current losing streak, basically 7 of them happened without Dahlin, gaining 2 out of a possible 14 points, .142 point percentage.

The team was not great with Dahlin, but, even with the small sample size, it goes to show how important he is, TOO important to them.  

[thewookie1]

1 minute ago, mjd1001 said:

At this point Dahlin being hurt may be a bigger part of it than we think.

Up until the moment he got hurt, they sabres were handily winning a game on and on their way to a 12-11-2 record, 26 points in 25 games. a .520 point percentage. As "not stellar" as that is, right now it would have them with 32 points and tied for the last playoff spot.

Since Dahlin got hurt, they tragically messed up that game, and lost 6 more in a row. Of the current losing streak, basically 7 of them happened without Dahlin, gaining 2 out of a possible 14 points, .142 point percentage.

The team was not great with Dahlin, but, even with the small sample size, it goes to show how important he is, TOO important to them.  

Frankly I don't think we lose the Avs game if Dahlin doesn't get hurt. 

[Mango]

22 hours ago, Huckleberry said:

Top 4 puck moving, offensive minded LHD 🙂

FTFY

[Mango]

2 hours ago, mjd1001 said:

At this point Dahlin being hurt may be a bigger part of it than we think.

Up until the moment he got hurt, they sabres were handily winning a game on and on their way to a 12-11-2 record, 26 points in 25 games. a .520 point percentage. As "not stellar" as that is, right now it would have them with 32 points and tied for the last playoff spot.

Since Dahlin got hurt, they tragically messed up that game, and lost 6 more in a row. Of the current losing streak, basically 7 of them happened without Dahlin, gaining 2 out of a possible 14 points, .142 point percentage.

The team was not great with Dahlin, but, even with the small sample size, it goes to show how important he is, TOO important to them.  

At the risk of derailing the thread, this is an insane indictment on the GM in year 5. 

This team is at .142 P% without a defensemen that was drafted 7 years ago/2 years before GMKA got here. The entire roster is dependent on a guy that the general manager had no part in bringing in. 

It is almost unbelievable.