GDT: Detroit Red Wings @ Buffalo Sabres 12/9/24 - 7:00 PM EST - MSG, FDSNDET, WGR550

[DarthEbriate]

27 minutes ago, HumanSlinky39 said:

It's "Absolutely Curtains" for this bunch. We'd hoped they'd let slip the "Dogs of War", we had "High Hopes", instead it's been "Goodbye Blue Sky." Somehow, they "Keep Talking" yet we fans are "Lost for Words." It seems like success and this current team are "Poles Apart." Tonight may have been "The Final Cut." I guess all that's left is to "Have a Cigar."

 

 

 

Sorry, I'm something of a Pink Floyd nut.

Dang. Pegula and I share same favorite Pink Floyd album. Not the best, mind you, just favorite.

[rickshaw]

We can move to AC/DC songs. I’ll start..

Shot Down in Flames

This House is on Fire

Highway to Hell

Kicked in the Teeth

Snowballed

Landslide

Danger

Sink the Pink

Meltdown

Damned

 

[PerreaultForever]

8 minutes ago, KC Scouts said:

I am so embarassed to be a Sabres fan, we are a punchline... a laughing stock...the "thank-god we are not them"  line the other fans say

True. This is growing again after the palm tree press conference. We are the measuring stick again for how not to do it. 

9 minutes ago, HumanSlinky39 said:

Seider and Beniers would be ineffectual loafers here. The culture stinks and it affects nearly everyone that puts on that sweater. Nothing is changing until things get straightened out at the top.

Ya, I did say "probably not" but right now Seider is better than Power and Beniers is better than Cozens so there's a small maybe there. 

[SABRES 0311]

1 hour ago, Indabuff said:

Is it me or is Greenway one of the most likeable players on this team?

One of the few.

[zow2]

Just now, PerreaultForever said:

True. This is growing again after the palm tree press conference. We are the measuring stick again for how not to do it. 

 

I’ve said for many years that Buffalo teams exist for the sole purpose of providing happiness to opposing fan bases.  But that’s really exclusively for the Sabres in recent years. 

[sabremike]

10 minutes ago, DarthEbriate said:

Maybe in 5 years, when they're good because they've got two #1 overall d-men pushing 30 years old, it'll become a rallying point. They'll be like Seattle, but instead of throwing stuffed animal salmon over the glass for the 3 stars of the game, they'll throw inflatable palm trees. Before every playoff game, instead of throwing an octopus on the ice, it'll be a palm tree. When Tom Brady comes to town as an announcer, they'll toss a can of heart of palm and not a *****.

That won't ever happen until Pegula sells the team or gets called home by the Lord.

[Indabuff]

This game sucked and this team blows but thanks to everyone on here tonight making it more manageable.  

[inkman]

 

[HumanSlinky39]

2 minutes ago, Indabuff said:

This game sucked and this team blows but thanks to everyone on here tonight making it more manageable.  

Suck to blow, a Sabres specialty.

[LGR4GM]

22 minutes ago, HumanSlinky39 said:

I could very well be wrong. I remember seeing his name at the top at some point, but admittedly haven't paid a lot of attention lately.

Hagens is still #1 but 2-4 have closed the gap significantly. WJC20 will be interesting because our next real ranking will be the January lists. 

[inkman]

 

[Thorner]

43 minutes ago, KC Scouts said:

We should have known with the start of the season with the two horrible losses to New Jersey. Many here on this board poo-pooed it away.

I thought "How can they not be ready for the start of the season?' when I should have been thinking "We aren't very good!!"

Agree, never liked the “if we just erase these 3 games” line of thought. 

It looks like Adams’ plan has resoundingly failed. I know I said he should get the full 5 years, but on the heels of 7 straight losses with the season still hypothetically salvageable…it’s probably time 

Edited December 10 by Thorner

[ska-T Palmtown]

6 minutes ago, inkman said:

 

I thought we won the Rangers game?

[Broken Ankles]

37 minutes ago, ska-T Palmtown said:

I thought we won the Rangers game?

Good call!  True.  Shesterkin and Quicke played.  But the “stat” sounds so much better as stated, even if not true.  

[Crusader1969]

At this point Dahlin probably should ask for a raise 

if he didn't get hurt vs Colorado, there wouldn't be a 7 game losing streak, there would not be a disastrous GM press conference and,IMHO, they'd be in the wild card spot tonight 

However, he did get hurt, injuries happen to all clubs and the GMs in ability to bring in an NHL calibre depth on the backend has doomed them...once again 

You need NHL vets to fill out the roster, especially when your top 3 dmen have an avg age of 23.  
To play tonight with Johnson, Bryson and Jokiharju is criminal. 
Johnson, in his first game , loses a battle along boards on the 1st goal 

Bryson, who only played 11 mins only contribution I saw was to get blown up by Sieder

then there is Jokiharju, who has the puck at his own blue line, with 5 mins to go, without any real pressure on him makes a $hit pass, missing his man and ends up icing it.  
off the faceoff the red wings score to tie the game at 5 

time for a statement   - waive Joker if you can't find a trade partner for him  

 

 

[mjd1001]

Another fun way to look at this...

In LESS THAN 2 WEEKS, this team went from above .500, with a positive goal differential, and holding down a playoff spot both by points and point percentage, and having a legit look at 3rd in the division.

Less than 2 weeks later...15th out of 16th in the conference. 1 single point away from last in the entire conference.

Here is the sad part....they should have won tonight. They should have won against Colorado. There was on epic collapse, and another that was pretty bad.  The outplayed Winnipeg for parts of that game. One luck bounce. One goal against where a player does nothing but puts forth more effort.  One shot that is slightly more accurate and they could, maybe SHOULD have 4 more points across those 3 games.

4 more points right now and the Sabres are in a playoff position. If the Sabres would not have blown tonights game, they would be a TWO points out of a playoff spot with a game upcoming vs one of the teams you are chasing.

I guess in the grand scheme of things they aren't out of it.  Look at the standings and yes, some teams ahead of them have games in hand, but even now they are only 3-4 points out of it.  Maybe a healthy Dahlin back in the lineup changes some of these losses to wins and they CAN get back into it.

It just feels so far away right now though.

 

[mjd1001]

22 minutes ago, Crusader1969 said:

At this point Dahlin probably should ask for a raise 

if he didn't get hurt vs Colorado, there wouldn't be a 7 game losing streak, there would not be a disastrous GM press conference and,IMHO, they'd be in the wild card spot tonight 

However, he did get hurt, injuries happen to all clubs and the GMs in ability to bring in an NHL calibre depth on the backend has doomed them...once again 

You need NHL vets to fill out the roster, especially when your top 3 dmen have an avg age of 23.  
To play tonight with Johnson, Bryson and Jokiharju is criminal. 
Johnson, in his first game , loses a battle along boards on the 1st goal 

Bryson, who only played 11 mins only contribution I saw was to get blown up by Sieder

then there is Jokiharju, who has the puck at his own blue line, with 5 mins to go, without any real pressure on him makes a $hit pass, missing his man and ends up icing it.  
off the faceoff the red wings score to tie the game at 5 

time for a statement   - waive Joker if you can't find a trade partner for him  

 

 

I agree with almost your entire post except for the last line.

If Jokiharju is that bad then just don't play him.  If you have someone better than him play him. If he is bad but you don't have someone better, then waiving him to make a statement only makes you worse.

And if you did wave Jokiharju....what kind of statement would that make? I think you would get a collective shrug of the shoulders from the team, its not really sending a message.

You want to make a statement...to send a message...then Trade Cozens. Doing anything with Jokiharju would probably be made a joke of by the fans more than it would accomplish anything.

Edited December 10 by mjd1001

[Thorner]

The fact we are only 3 points out is rather insane, and a sizeable silver lining. To have failed so horribly for so long and find ourselves only 3 points away from the goal is a solid microcosm of the drought.

What we want is still *right there.*

[Crusader1969]

19 minutes ago, mjd1001 said:

I agree with almost your entire post except for the last line.

If Jokiharju is that bad then just don't play him.  If you have someone better than him play him. If he is bad but you don't have someone better, then waiving him to make a statement only makes you worse.

And if you did wave Jokiharju....what kind of statement would that make? I think you would get a collective shrug of the shoulders from the team, its not really sending a message.

You want to make a statement...to send a message...then Trade Cozens. Doing anything with Jokiharju would probably be made a joke of by the fans more than it would accomplish anything.

It would get him off the ice for good by waiving him.  A place where he does not belong.    
I just can no longer handle seeing him in a Sabres uniform. Same with Bryson 

If trading CozEns brings in a top 4 RHD , I'm all for it.  I just think if you trade Cozens now, you are trading him at a low point 

Not to mention, there is a good hockey player in there with cozens, we've all seen it.   Hopefully Ruff can rebuild him

By comparison, we've all known Jokirharu wasn't any good for at least 3 years.   

[Crusader1969]

18 minutes ago, Thorner said:

The fact we are only 3 points out is rather insane, and a sizeable silver lining. To have failed so horribly for so long and find ourselves only 3 points away from the goal is a solid microcosm of the drought.

What we want is still *right there.*

Seems crazy that winning 3 or 4 games in a row would get them into the playoffs.   Then again winning 3 or 4 in a row seems equally as crazy 

without Dahlin, I would say winning 4 in a row is a lot crazier 

[ASlugAbove]

26 minutes ago, mjd1001 said:

I agree with almost your entire post except for the last line.

If Jokiharju is that bad then just don't play him.  If you have someone better than him play him. If he is bad but you don't have someone better, then waiving him to make a statement only makes you worse.

And if you did wave Jokiharju....what kind of statement would that make? I think you would get a collective shrug of the shoulders from the team, its not really sending a message.

You want to make a statement...to send a message...then Trade Cozens. Doing anything with Jokiharju would probably be made a joke of by the fans more than it would accomplish anything.

I think we’re stuck. I think the only message that sends to the team (trading Cozens) is “man if I give up too I can get traded outta here”. You’d reach a horrible impass and a complete rebuild would ensue. 

[PerreaultForever]

2 hours ago, ASlugAbove said:

I think we’re stuck. I think the only message that sends to the team (trading Cozens) is “man if I give up too I can get traded outta here”. You’d reach a horrible impass and a complete rebuild would ensue. 

I think they already know this and it's way too late to beat that message unless there's an ownership change (which signals a new era as well).

I mean maybe when ROR departed you could say well he lost his love and okay he won a cup but it was a bad fit in Buffalo (or some other nonsense rationale) 

and then with Eichel you could argue there was a medical issue and some bad blood and these things happen but then he won a cup

and then Reinhart (and Kyle and ERod and Montour) won a cup 

and that's pretty much all she wrote. The players all talk. So each and every one of them knows there is greener pasture and they just have to wait it out while they cash their cheques. 

[That Aud Smell]

I was in attendance for this one.

I’ve never been less moved by a Sabres team that potted 5 (or more) goals.

They play an equivocal, feckless brand of hockey. They don’t feel like “a team” at all.

I don’t plan to return this season.

[WhenWillItEnd66]

I have to say, even gummies do not help anymore. You knew when the Sabres were laying back we were screwed in the 3rd. This team from top down learns nothing! 

[Flashsabre]

Hiring Ruff and redoing the bottom 6 moved the annual Sabres collapse from November into December this season so I guess that is progress.