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  On 12/10/2024 at 5:50 AM, Crusader1969 said:

Seems crazy that winning 3 or 4 games in a row would get them into the playoffs.   Then again winning 3 or 4 in a row seems equally as crazy 

without Dahlin, I would say winning 4 in a row is a lot crazier 

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They haven't won 4 games in a row in almost 2 seasons, even with Dahlin.

The Sabres lack fundamentals and are mentally weak.  Instead of measuring them by the standings at this point, the goal should be to give a legitimate effort for 3 periods of a single game. Right now, even that seems impossible.

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Cityo'Rasmii Third Liner

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Not trying to one up...

I'm 68 and they continue to cause me to inebriate. As if 14 rough years wasn't enough there was the recent KA mind blowing presser.

Go Sabres

Archie Lee Third Liner

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  On 12/10/2024 at 5:30 AM, Thorner said:

The fact we are only 3 points out is rather insane, and a sizeable silver lining. To have failed so horribly for so long and find ourselves only 3 points away from the goal is a solid microcosm of the drought.

What we want is still *right there.*

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Watching Colorado address their needs is more than a little frustrating. Last year at the trade deadline they needed a #2 centre and targeted Mittelstadt. They paid a heavy price in Byram. They then immediately filled the hole by trading for Sean Walker. This year, their goaltending is bad and they go out and make two moves to change their goaltending. Did the moves get them a Cup last year?  No. Will they win this year?  Probably not. But they are not just waiting.

The great flaw here is the idea that we need to make a big move for a star. Two Tucker, McLeod, Greenway-level forwards and a D-man in that category, would, in my view, have given us the depth to get through this last stretch without near catastrophic results. Such players are available if willing to pay the price. But Adams has constructed a lineup where he has more youngsters than he has spaces for and where he has supported them so poorly that they are almost entirely underachieving, thus driving down their trade value. And the cycle continues. 

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Pimlach All Star

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  On 12/10/2024 at 1:59 PM, Archie Lee said:

Watching Colorado address their needs is more than a little frustrating. Last year at the trade deadline they needed a #2 centre and targeted Mittelstadt. They paid a heavy price in Byram. They then immediately filled the hole by trading for Sean Walker. This year, their goaltending is bad and they go out and make two moves to change their goaltending. Did the moves get them a Cup last year?  No. Will they win this year?  Probably not. But they are not just waiting.

The great flaw here is the idea that we need to make a big move for a star. Two Tucker, McLeod, Greenway-level forwards and a D-man in that category, would, in my view, have given us the depth to get through this last stretch without near catastrophic results. Such players are available if willing to pay the price. But Adams has constructed a lineup where he has more youngsters than he has spaces for and where he has supported them so poorly that they are almost entirely underachieving, thus driving down their trade value. And the cycle continues. 

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Very true. These kids are lost.  All of them are hurting the team to some degree - Cozens, Quinn, Peterka, Power, and even Benson.   Some much more than others, there is a lot of pressure and there are a lot of breakdowns.  

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  On 12/10/2024 at 5:50 AM, Crusader1969 said:

Seems crazy that winning 3 or 4 games in a row would get them into the playoffs.   Then again winning 3 or 4 in a row seems equally as crazy 

without Dahlin, I would say winning 4 in a row is a lot crazier 

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Winning 3 or 4 in a row does not put them in a playoff spot unless the 6 teams ahead of them all go on losing streaks.  They realistically need to win 7-8 in a row to get back in it.  
 

They are one point out of last place in the conference and free falling 

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  On 12/10/2024 at 2:22 PM, Pimlach said:

Winning 3 or 4 in a row does not put them in a playoff spot unless the 6 teams ahead of them all go on losing streaks.  They realistically need to win 7-8 in a row to get back in it.  
 

They are one point out of last place in the conference and free falling 

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Technically they just need each of them to lose 2 or 3 games and us to win 3 or 4 and we'd be in WC2

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  On 12/10/2024 at 1:59 PM, Archie Lee said:

Watching Colorado address their needs is more than a little frustrating. Last year at the trade deadline they needed a #2 centre and targeted Mittelstadt. They paid a heavy price in Byram. They then immediately filled the hole by trading for Sean Walker. This year, their goaltending is bad and they go out and make two moves to change their goaltending. Did the moves get them a Cup last year?  No. Will they win this year?  Probably not. But they are not just waiting.

The great flaw here is the idea that we need to make a big move for a star. Two Tucker, McLeod, Greenway-level forwards and a D-man in that category, would, in my view, have given us the depth to get through this last stretch without near catastrophic results. Such players are available if willing to pay the price. But Adams has constructed a lineup where he has more youngsters than he has spaces for and where he has supported them so poorly that they are almost entirely underachieving, thus driving down their trade value. And the cycle continues. 

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I agree. The “who even is there?” line of thought is a straw man, we don’t need to find a star. We’ve seen the difference competent veterans like Zucker can make 

again, the goal for this year is still right there. With the right supplementations playoffs have been there every year for the taking. And therein lies the frustrations of failing to properly supplement going on 5 years in a row under Adams 

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  On 12/10/2024 at 2:46 PM, thewookie1 said:

Technically they just need each of them to lose 2 or 3 games and us to win 3 or 4 and we'd be in WC2

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Realistically, the 6 teams ahead of us are not ALL going to lose 3 in a row at the same time.  Some of those teams will be playing each other.  The more teams ahead of us, the harder it gets.   I truly understand the simple arithmetic involved. 

We have 10 games left in December, we need to win 7 or 8 of those 10 to start coming back up the standings.  Thankfully there are 7 road games in that mix.  This team needs a road trip.  They need to get away, they seem to fear playing at home.  

 

 

 

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  On 12/10/2024 at 3:02 PM, Pimlach said:

Realistically, the 6 teams ahead of us are not ALL going to lose 3 in a row at the same time.  Some of those teams will be playing each other.  The more teams ahead of us, he harder it gets.   I truly understand the simple arithmetic involved. 

We have 10 games left in December, we need to win 7 or 8 of those 10 to start coming back up the standings.  Thankfully there are 7 road games in that mix.  This team needs a road trip.  They need to get away, they seem to fear playing at home.  

 

 

 

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Yup. This is the fallacy of just looking at points or points percentage.  You have to consider the likelihood of all of the teams you need to leapfrog succumbing to the scenario you need to get in a playoff position.

We are approaching inevitability.

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  On 12/10/2024 at 3:16 PM, Weave said:

Yup. This is the fallacy of just looking at points or points percentage.  You have to consider the likelihood of all of the teams you need to leapfrog succumbing to the scenario you need to get in a playoff position.

We are approaching inevitability.

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I agree. But we don't need to win 6-8 in a row.  We need to play at 6-8 games over DeLuca .500 over the next 40-50 games. It's not going to happen because as an organization we are not prepared to do what it takes. 

And, you are correct, it would be a long-shot at this point even if we do decide to make the needed moves.

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  On 12/10/2024 at 3:16 PM, Weave said:

Yup. This is the fallacy of just looking at points or points percentage.  You have to consider the likelihood of all of the teams you need to leapfrog succumbing to the scenario you need to get in a playoff position.

We are approaching inevitability.

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Its inevitable. We toast.

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  On 12/10/2024 at 1:59 PM, Archie Lee said:

But Adams has constructed a lineup where he has more youngsters than he has spaces for and where he has supported them so poorly that they are almost entirely underachieving, thus driving down their trade value. And the cycle continues. 

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I wish I could find the actual "I don't want to block a prospect's path" quote from Adams. It encapsulates everything about his abject and utter failure as a GM.

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  On 12/10/2024 at 3:57 PM, That Aud Smell said:

I wish I could find the actual "I don't want to block a prospect's path" quote from Adams. It encapsulates everything about his abject and utter failure as a GM.

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The "Blockers" comments are out there.   In video and in print.  

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  On 12/10/2024 at 2:22 PM, Pimlach said:

Winning 3 or 4 in a row does not put them in a playoff spot unless the 6 teams ahead of them all go on losing streaks.  They realistically need to win 7-8 in a row to get back in it.  
 

They are one point out of last place in the conference and free falling 

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  On 12/10/2024 at 3:02 PM, Pimlach said:

Realistically, the 6 teams ahead of us are not ALL going to lose 3 in a row at the same time.  Some of those teams will be playing each other.  The more teams ahead of us, the harder it gets.   I truly understand the simple arithmetic involved. 

We have 10 games left in December, we need to win 7 or 8 of those 10 to start coming back up the standings.  Thankfully there are 7 road games in that mix.  This team needs a road trip.  They need to get away, they seem to fear playing at home.  

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Ironically, by getting 1 out of 2 points last night, the Sabres incrementally increased their season points% 🤣

Weave Hall of Famer

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  On 12/10/2024 at 3:43 PM, Archie Lee said:

I agree. But we don't need to win 6-8 in a row.  We need to play at 6-8 games over DeLuca .500 over the next 40-50 games. It's not going to happen because as an organization we are not prepared to do what it takes. 

And, you are correct, it would be a long-shot at this point even if we do decide to make the needed moves.

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We need to play 6-8 games over Deluca .500 AND the 6 teams ahead of us all need to keep their pace.  Playing 6-8 wins better than we are currently is probably not enough.

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  On 12/10/2024 at 6:31 PM, Doohicksie said:

It's always darkest before the dawn

Happy Good Morning GIF by CBeebies HQ

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Adams next #1 draft pick. 

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